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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 17:41:08 GMT -5
If Adam wants to reach the young pop market/radio market - which he clearly wants desparately; he may need to look at the taste of this demographic. Straight males you mean? I know a lot of straight guys who like Adam. Besides, the music is the main thing, until the day he very specifically sings about wanting to go circlejerk some dudes or something I don't think there's a problem. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Dec 3, 2012 17:42:41 GMT -5
I've been reading & trying not to skim most of the comments here that started with critiques of Johnny's dance style. For those (not necessarily on this board) that feel gay is fine as long as it's not thrust in one's face (no pun intended), I recall Adam saying in an interview "But I have the heterosexual lifestyle thrust in MY face every time i turn on the TV."
I was on a group tour of Croatia & Slovenia in September. In our group were 6 gay men - a group of 4 and two traveling separately. Five of these six were very conservative in appearance and behavior. One was not. He was what some would call "flamboyant". One of the conservative gay men shared with me that he was embarrassed by this person because he was exactly the kind of homosexual that gives others a bad name. The sterotypical gay if you will. Then he found out this flamboyant gay was a well-respected dentist. His opinion changed completely.
Now I'm not even sure what my point was except that homosexuals can be very judgmental of other homosexuals if they don't adjust their persona to fit with the idea of the acceptable heterosexual image. That's why people like NPH are rarely the target of homophobic slurs.
I think a person can love & accept Adam (or NPH or Anderson Cooper or any number of straight-acting gays) and still be somewhat homophobic if they are uncomfortable with someone like Johnny or the gay man on my trip.
I'm not lecturing anyone - just giving my opinion as others have. Now I'm gonna press Post Reply & hope no one was offended.
ETA - I just went back & watched Fever again thinking I may have missed something offensive since I'm always totally focused on Adam during these performances. Nope.
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Post by Moria Polonius on Dec 3, 2012 17:43:48 GMT -5
It's ok to state that someone finds Johnny's dancing creepy. I find it a turn off, I'm not homophobic just don't like watching him. (...)he just doesn't like watching anything that overtly gay....that doesn't make him homophobic. So to paraphrase: Not homophobic, just don't like gay dancing. Not homophobic, just doesn't like watching anything overtly gay. I think there's some problem with a definition of homophobia here. Is it? Adam's famous, amongst other things, for dabbling at androgynous style. The makeup, the nailpolish, the airbrushing on photos. I dare say more people have become fans because of that than because of his "masculine vibe." Personally, it's the mix of masculine and feminine that I find the most appealing about Adam and probably would have never become a fan to the extent I am now, if he sported a beard, wore no makeup and didn't wiggle his hips on stage when I first heard about him. |
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Post by mika on Dec 3, 2012 17:48:30 GMT -5
I'm coming out of lurking because I felt the need to share about the Johnny homophobic comments. If a gay guy says he wants nothing to do with vajayjay, we're all ok with that. It's ok to state that someone finds Johnny's dancing creepy. I find it a turn off, I'm not homophobic just don't like watching him. I think it's safe to say that most of us find Adam and his "masculine" vibe a turn-on. My teenage son (who I've subjected to endless videos of Adam) has gotten to a point where he likes some of Adams music and dare I say style. I played the videos from Shanghai and he left during Fever...too much for his taste. He is straight, he has gay friends but just doesn't like watching anything that overtly gay....that doesn't make him homophobic. If Adam wants to reach the young pop market/radio market - which he clearly wants desparately; he may need to look at the taste of this demographic. I hear you. I have black friends but I just don't like it when they act all ghetto. I mean Beyonce is a class act but when she puts her hair in those braids and starts talking ghetto, girl, I just change the channel. (And Snoop Dog --- c'mon, definitely creepy.) I just don't like overtly black people - I don't know why but that's okay - it's just a question of taste. That's what I tell the kids too - if you think other kids act creepy and different, you don't have to like them. Also, I hart both homophones and alpha mails.  (I don't even care if I got trolled - that's the most fun I've had all day! Yes, that is how dull my day was.) |
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Post by leenaseyez on Dec 3, 2012 17:50:43 GMT -5
If Adam wants to reach the young pop market/radio market - which he clearly wants desparately; he may need to look at the taste of this demographic. Straight males you mean? I know a lot of straight guys who like Adam. Besides, the music is the main thing, until the day he very specifically sings about wanting to go circlejerk some dudes or something I don't think there's a problem. Circlejerk -> #brokenenglish-> Urban Dictionary LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 17:51:00 GMT -5
If Adam wants to reach the young pop market/radio market - which he clearly wants desparately; he may need to look at the taste of this demographic. Straight males you mean? I know a lot of straight guys who like Adam. Besides, the music is the main thing, until the day he very specifically sings about wanting to go circlejerk some dudes or something I don't think there's a problem. that American hardcore punk band, formed in 1979 in Los Angeles?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 17:51:16 GMT -5
All I know is that when Adam is striding out on the catwalk of that stage singing "Trespassing," flanked by those two young men who both move their bodies with such control, flluidity, athleticism, and joy, men who are and have been his friends too, from "way back" before fame, I feel . . . pride, satisfaction, hope, and happiness.
Adam is living his dreams and expressing himself around the world with the help of talented musicians and dancers. I don't cringe, I CHEER!
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Dec 3, 2012 17:51:18 GMT -5
mika you win the internets <3333
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Post by butterknife on Dec 3, 2012 17:52:09 GMT -5
I like when Adam is being himself, being creative, being edgy, makes most music he wants and performs the way he likes
How is it possible that he can please everybody?
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Post by evamaria on Dec 3, 2012 17:52:49 GMT -5
I'm coming out of lurking because I felt the need to share about the Johnny homophobic comments. If a gay guy says he wants nothing to do with vajayjay, we're all ok with that. It's ok to state that someone finds Johnny's dancing creepy. I find it a turn off, I'm not homophobic just don't like watching him. I think it's safe to say that most of us find Adam and his "masculine" vibe a turn-on. My teenage son (who I've subjected to endless videos of Adam) has gotten to a point where he likes some of Adams music and dare I say style. I played the videos from Shanghai and he left during Fever...too much for his taste. He is straight, he has gay friends but just doesn't like watching anything that overtly gay....that doesn't make him homophobic. If Adam wants to reach the young pop market/radio market - which he clearly wants desparately; he may need to look at the taste of this demographic. I'm delurking, too. Being uncomfortable with displays of gay sexuality makes me uncomfortable. A lot of the discomfort comes from unfamiliarity. There is a reason why GLAAD exists, and why visual displays of sexuality in the media are powerful. Media can make concepts more familiar, more acceptable, less frightening. My kids have seen my gay friends hold hands and cuddle on the sofa. For kids who haven't seen this, there is the media. Adam is very aware of the power of the media. He comes from a progressive family, is hyperaware of discrimination and fear, and WANTS TO CHANGE all that. Remember his father and his brother. This is not a politically quiet family. imo Adam is consciously trying to undo fear through his own performances, and through his dancers' performances. So no, he shouldn't take demographics or his audience's prejudices into account...or he should, but only in order to undo those prejudices. I think Adam wants to educate and entertain. |
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