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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 6, 2012 21:18:00 GMT -5
It's all ok. I am not a person who wants people to like what I like. I was surprised by my irrational reaction to their judge on Adam. But I don't feel I need to say sorry to my friends either  Yeah, you are right. From the non-fans reactions now I can really see how underrated Adam is. Many of them think his music sucks. The most ridiculous part is that people think he is not a good singer. I understand if people don't like the tone of his voice and in fact the CD track and all YT vids just don't do his voice justice. Still, Well, you don't hear what I hear. That's it. ETA, I actually never understood that idol stigma. Isn't it that on idol people actually got to see how great Adam was as a performer and a singer? People are so funny. I have run across this attitude in other aspects of my life (mostly political discussions). Someone states a position that is totally irrational and nonsensical with a sureness that boggles my mind. I have spent way too much time trying to explain the simple facts, to illuminate the darkness, only to be faced with a repeat of the original statement as if I had never opened my mouth. It was a waste of my energy. So when this happens, I now take a different tack. I require that the other person be able to back up their statement. Although the Adam situation has never happened to me, I would say for example, "You don't think Adam is a good singer. Prove it. Show me where he sings badly. Give me an example of why you don't think he can sing." If they gave me something non-singing, I would ask them what that has to do with anything. I can do this in a very calm fashion. You get the idea. I finally figured out that it is not me that has to prove a point, it is the person making the nonsensical statement. I am not sure my method has ever convinced anyone of their bias but at least by asking questions they are forced to confront it. And like you, when asked to prove a point, I try to have good examples and facts to backup my claim. I just like to make sure first that the other person does as well. |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 6, 2012 21:21:39 GMT -5
Could anyone take pity on a person who is only getting the X and post the interview text here. Thanks... 8-)
Can you access this page? It won't let me copy the text but maybe it will show up for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:22:26 GMT -5
It's all ok. I am not a person who wants people to like what I like. I was surprised by my irrational reaction to their judge on Adam. But I don't feel I need to say sorry to my friends either Yeah, you are right. From the non-fans reactions now I can really see how underrated Adam is. Many of them think his music sucks. The most ridiculous part is that people think he is not a good singer. I understand if people don't like the tone of his voice and in fact the CD track and all YT vids just don't do his voice justice. Still, Well, you don't hear what I hear. That's it. ETA, I actually never understood that idol stigma. Isn't it that on idol people actually got to see how great Adam was as a performer and a singer? People are so funny. I have run across this attitude in other aspects of my life (mostly political discussions). Someone states a position that is totally irrational and nonsensical with a sureness that boggles my mind. I have spent way too much time trying to explain the simple facts, to illuminate the darkness, only to be faced with a repeat of the original statement as if I had never opened my mouth. It was a waste of my energy. So when this happens, I now take a different tack. I require that the other person be able to back up their statement. Although the Adam situation has never happened to me, I would say for example, "You don't think Adam is a good singer. Prove it. Show me where he sings badly. Give me an example of why you don't think he can sing." If they gave me something non-singing, I would ask them what that has to do with anything. I can do this in a very calm fashion. You get the idea. I finally figured out that it is not me that has to prove a point, it is the person making the nonsensical statement. I am not sure my method has ever convinced anyone of their bias but at least by asking questions they are forced to confront it. And like you, when asked to prove a point, I try to have good examples and facts to backup my claim. I just like to make sure first that the other person does as well. :Clap: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:29:35 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Dec 6, 2012 21:29:45 GMT -5
I don't get the "Adam is not a good singer" either. :  I wonder what criteria they use for defining "good." I suspect it is something quite different from my criteria. Much of our musical taste is determined by what we have listened to at a very young age... I read that our preferences are generally formed by the age of fourteen. I guess if you haven't heard legitimately trained singers when you are young, your brain isn't programmed to recognize that sound as "good." Our brains are tricky things. I have read about a culture that calls all shades of yellow/orange/pink/red by one label. People from that culture actually cannot discriminate some of the differences of shades. And we all know that many guys have about seven names for colors, where as many women have a box of 64 crayons they can name. I know guys who cannot discriminate between aqua and teal, and call them both "blue." It is entirely conceivable that there are folks who cannot discriminate between what I consider a "great" voice, a "good" voice and a "crappy" voice. In fact, listening to pop radio, there must be. I can define and describe, in some detail, what makes Adam's voice so "good." It is one of my favorite topics. But to someone who has a different definition of "good" my description means nothing. Thank goodness I have a collection of online friends who hear the wonderful quality in Adam's voice that I do. For the others, it is their loss. As for "paying his dues" I think that 12 years of voice lessons, 16 years of musical theater, living in a roach-infested apartment while going to hundreds of auditions, and singing in a topless review qualifies as "dues." The man has been performing for 2/3 of his life. So much for an "overnight success." |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 6, 2012 21:29:57 GMT -5
Butterknife wrote:
Yes, really - and that "idol stigma" makes no sense anyway when applied to Adam because Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry, etc. all came from Idol and they are not scorned because of it. :-/
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Post by gabby on Dec 6, 2012 21:31:42 GMT -5
No - same problem - that dreaded XThanks for trying tho... 8-) , sent you a PM :D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:48:23 GMT -5
Here's the guy that can't sing! :4OMG:
MAN ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 6, 2012 21:51:33 GMT -5
No - same problem - that dreaded XThanks for trying tho... 8-) , sent you a PM :D  |
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