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Post by revlisacat on Dec 14, 2012 0:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by maddie509 on Dec 14, 2012 0:46:32 GMT -5
Jo! First of all, welcome to ATop. Wow, what a first post! I see your point, and don't know that I disagree with it. Certainly the majority of the American public who watch Idol are most comfortable with the cute guy next door who strums a guitar and sings love songs to his girlfriend. Extra points are awarded if he also is involved in his church music ministry and/or has a sob story. After all, that's the guy they voted for for the past five years straight. It is entirely possible that Adam would have become an even bigger star with number one singles on radio if he had taken that vanilla route. Only one problem with that: it isn't who Adam is. As he said in an interview quoted recently, compared to his life prior to Idol, the things he did since Idol that were deemed "controversial" were nothin'. Warm up acts. He hasn't been that "apple-pie Adam" with red hair and a buzz cut since he was in high school. He's been a neo-hippie, a flower child, a sleazy Studio 54 club kid, a counter-culture standout in platform glitter boots, green body paint, and crazy make-up. Playing it straight and narrow during "The Ten Commandments" drove him crazy. Adam is a wild child. Probably wilder than some of us even imagine. He played nice and conventional in musical theater for many years until that wild child, that creative alien just had to break free and express himself. It is not surprising that he has not been embraced by the masses. SHOULD he have been "safer" and more conventional coming off Idol? In terms of record sales and acceptability on radio etc, perhaps. In terms of being his outrageous self, not so much. I think he tried his best at the beginning of the TP era. He released two "safe", acceptable singles. He ditched most of the make-up and toned down the fashion claiming he was into a more organic look and feel. He played the game. Until he couldn't any more. Gradually, we saw the "crazy" OTT Adam re-emerge until we have him in wonderful make-up, edgy fashion, yellow and black TP costumes, fringe for days, and male dancers in Big Bird Yellow Afro wigs. That's who we stan. Who we love. Aren't we lucky to be able to appreciate, celebrate, smile, laugh and drool over such an exceptional and unique artist?
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Post by laceyrose on Dec 14, 2012 0:47:07 GMT -5
Everyone in my family knows I'm an Adam fan. I have been an active ST fan for years now, and nothing is weirder than that. They don't even bat an eye now when I get into a new fandom. (I did have one elderly aunt who I fibbed to about ST conventions--I finally told her they were like her DAR conventions when she kept asking what I did at cons.)
I have posted Adam news and YTs on my fb page, too. One or two people have liked a YT. As far as my close friends, I guess I'm lucky there because they are all 'fans,' too, so they get my obsession. They all think Adam has a great voice and have watched the Kiev concert with me. Some of them have even bought his music, and 2 have gone to concerts with me. I get to talk about him occasionally as long as I don't get too long-winded. But they will never be pop fans (rock fans).
I was retired BA came along, but I was outed at work about ST and Buffy fandoms. But that was OK since most of the grad students and a lot of faculty were also Buffy fans. In fact, I hosted a Buffy party once for them so they could see fan-made music vids and the original pilot.
So, yeah, I have given Adam's cds to various peeps, etc. and I gave 2 of my granddaughters their very first concert bootlegs.
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Post by kapsiz on Dec 14, 2012 1:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by Factorfictn on Dec 14, 2012 1:25:08 GMT -5
Jo! First of all, welcome to ATop. Wow, what a first post! I see your point, and don't know that I disagree with it. Certainly the majority of the American public who watch Idol are most comfortable with the cute guy next door who strums a guitar and sings love songs to his girlfriend. Extra points are awarded if he also is involved in his church music ministry and/or has a sob story. After all, that's the guy they voted for for the past five years straight. It is entirely possible that Adam would have become an even bigger star with number one singles on radio if he had taken that vanilla route. Only one problem with that: it isn't who Adam is. As he said in an interview quoted recently, compared to his life prior to Idol, the things he did since Idol that were deemed "controversial" were nothin'. Warm up acts. He hasn't been that "apple-pie Adam" with red hair and a buzz cut since he was in high school. He's been a neo-hippie, a flower child, a sleazy Studio 54 club kid, a counter-culture standout in platform glitter boots, green body paint, and crazy make-up. Playing it straight and narrow during "The Ten Commandments" drove him crazy. Adam is a wild child. Probably wilder than some of us even imagine. He played nice and conventional in musical theater for many years until that wild child, that creative alien just had to break free and express himself. It is not surprising that he has not been embraced by the masses. SHOULD he have been "safer" and more conventional coming off Idol? In terms of record sales and acceptability on radio etc, perhaps. In terms of being his outrageous self, not so much. I think he tried his best at the beginning of the TP era. He released two "safe", acceptable singles. He ditched most of the make-up and toned down the fashion claiming he was into a more organic look and feel. He played the game. Until he couldn't any more. Gradually, we saw the "crazy" OTT Adam re-emerge until we have him in wonderful make-up, edgy fashion, yellow and black TP costumes, fringe for days, and male dancers in Big Bird Yellow Afro wigs. That's who we stan. Who we love. Aren't we lucky to be able to appreciate, celebrate, smile, laugh and drool over such an exceptional and unique artist? , beautifully expressed! Thank you! |
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Post by betty on Dec 14, 2012 1:39:27 GMT -5
Jo! First of all, welcome to ATop. Wow, what a first post! I see your point, and don't know that I disagree with it. Certainly the majority of the American public who watch Idol are most comfortable with the cute guy next door who strums a guitar and sings love songs to his girlfriend. Extra points are awarded if he also is involved in his church music ministry and/or has a sob story. After all, that's the guy they voted for for the past five years straight. It is entirely possible that Adam would have become an even bigger star with number one singles on radio if he had taken that vanilla route. Only one problem with that: it isn't who Adam is. As he said in an interview quoted recently, compared to his life prior to Idol, the things he did since Idol that were deemed "controversial" were nothin'. Warm up acts. He hasn't been that "apple-pie Adam" with red hair and a buzz cut since he was in high school. He's been a neo-hippie, a flower child, a sleazy Studio 54 club kid, a counter-culture standout in platform glitter boots, green body paint, and crazy make-up. Playing it straight and narrow during "The Ten Commandments" drove him crazy. Adam is a wild child. Probably wilder than some of us even imagine. He played nice and conventional in musical theater for many years until that wild child, that creative alien just had to break free and express himself. It is not surprising that he has not been embraced by the masses. SHOULD he have been "safer" and more conventional coming off Idol? In terms of record sales and acceptability on radio etc, perhaps. In terms of being his outrageous self, not so much. I think he tried his best at the beginning of the TP era. He released two "safe", acceptable singles. He ditched most of the make-up and toned down the fashion claiming he was into a more organic look and feel. He played the game. Until he couldn't any more. Gradually, we saw the "crazy" OTT Adam re-emerge until we have him in wonderful make-up, edgy fashion, yellow and black TP costumes, fringe for days, and male dancers in Big Bird Yellow Afro wigs. That's who we stan. Who we love. Aren't we lucky to be able to appreciate, celebrate, smile, laugh and drool over such an exceptional and unique artist? I just logged in again to say how much I love this post! :Clap: |
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Post by stardust on Dec 14, 2012 1:43:48 GMT -5
Great post Cassie! It certainly rings true to me!!
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Post by 4EverAdam on Dec 14, 2012 8:07:58 GMT -5
Cassie - your post is perfect and am adding it to my file of Atop memorable posts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 9:08:50 GMT -5
Okay, I don't like to post but this subject is very interesting and I wanted to give my two cents for whatever that's worth. As a diehard fan, I have all of Adam's music in various forms but what I tend to do is only listen to the Kiev concert over and over again. I rarely listened to either one of his albums. I think Adam's voice with the Queen music is otherwordly and I can't get enough. I've often gone over, in my head, what would have sent Adam into the stratosphere after idol and I do believe it would have happened had he done things right from the start. His first mistake was the AMA's and then the album cover. I think Adam was not realizing that his voice alone is what people wanted from him. I remember Barry Manilow saying that if he had just sat there (at the AMA's) and sang a great song (WWFM would have worked), he would have blown the roof off the place and I think he was right. If he had done that and then followed with the voice front and center instead of the OT stuff being front and center, I think he would be huge right now. My humble opinion is that he did not rely on his voice as much as he did the OT look and actions to get people's attention. I think this was his biggest mistake from the beginning. His being gay certainly plays a role too but a lot of the OT in the beginning was all about the gay with the AMA's, the album cover, his GNT shows, etc. and I think it was just too much too soon for those people who still live in the dark ages, which is most of America, unfortunately. If he had taken it more slowly and built up to the more OT stuff gradually so people could more willingly accept that from him, I think it would be a different story for him right now. He would be huge because he is the most talented man I have ever seen in my lifetime and one of the most beautiful too. Hi, thanks for a great post. I agree completely with keeping his voice front and center. I think Adam had alot of fantasies about what he would do when he finally "made it". He played them out in his references to Velvet Goldmine, Zodiac and Burning Man. And, we all LOVED it. I was especially disappointed when he came out with Tsp and seemed to cast that part of him aside. And, I have been very happy to see his OTT side return somewhat. People have their pre-conceived ideas of Adam and his music and his lifestyle. Some folks seem to need to like everything about someone before they can just love the voice. In other ways, I just don't think the media let him be about his voice and his style. This gay, gay, gay thing that continues to be the leading question in most interviews attests to that. It seems to be subsiding but acceptance of gay culture is definately a metro thing. I do think Adam will continue to establish himself within the industry. And, I'm sure he'll find his niche. He'll gain new fans and new acceptance. I'm glad I'm here from the beginning. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 9:36:05 GMT -5
Btw, on FYE-album, Strut was also not generally the most popular track, neither was IIHY. Fever was more popular with fans, myself included. But in the two countries that actually rolled it out, NZ and Finland, both very Adam friendly countries, it did not chart as high as most of us had expected. The reason Fever did not chart highly in NZ and Finland is because it was the 4th? single released and all the fans had already bought the album. The only buyers left were new fans who liked just that single. It actually did very well. Now if the GNT rendition of Fever had been released as that single before the GNT album was released then all fans would have bought it and it would have charted highly. Just like if the GNT 'Sleepwalker' had been released as a single in Canada instead of the FYE version. |
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+ I'm going to see him in SF tomorrow night on my birthday - yay!
AND EARLY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 
