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Post by wal on Dec 18, 2012 0:27:15 GMT -5
LAMBERTLUST @lambertlust lambertlust youtube - video I took - Adam Lambert show closing speech Divas 2012 youtu.be/H3J1UuNuuT4 Published on Dec 17, 2012 Adam Lambert show closing speech Divas 2012
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Post by bobo on Dec 18, 2012 0:27:57 GMT -5
Help! Just woke up, and red the last page! Please let me know if there is battle of cunt in previous pages, so i dont go there! I don't mind his langage at all, and don't want to read about it after all the yammy galore we have had. Yes there is : . Don't read previous pages.
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Post by leenaseyez on Dec 18, 2012 0:29:38 GMT -5
Help! Just woke up, and red the last page! Please let me know if there is battle of cunt in previous pages, so i dont go there! I don't mind his langage at all, and don't want to read about it after all the yammy galore we have had. Start at the beginning of the thread -- there is a discussion of language and words winding thru the last 6 pages that is very interested but does contain some graphic language. Thank you Q3
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Post by crazy4you on Dec 18, 2012 0:29:39 GMT -5
His latest tweet - why would he do this kind of thing when he has just created so much good will towards himself?....and new fans and followers....not afraid to say I hate it. I'm kinda curious why he brought it up too, since all the "reviews" I've read haven't mentioned anything negative about his performance. I don't hate it, but am really curious why he drew negative attention to it himself.. :dunno: Do you think he was referring to his performance? I thought he was referring to what he was wearing.
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Post by wal on Dec 18, 2012 0:29:52 GMT -5
LAMBERTLUST @lambertlust lambertlust - Adam Lambert Duck Lips Speech - Divas 2012 youtu.be/1HAz3njpLe8 Published on Dec 17, 2012 Adam Lambert Duck Lips Speech - Divas 2012
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Post by cheriemelissa on Dec 18, 2012 0:30:23 GMT -5
OK I am now ending the language and words discussion.
It is late. It is a Monday and I've already had a rough week. So please do me a favor and do not make me delete posts for the next hour.
Thanks!! [/color][/quote]YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to the yummy stuff :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap: :Clap:
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Post by leenaseyez on Dec 18, 2012 0:32:47 GMT -5
leenaseyez, I sent you a couple of PMs a while back. You still interested? Dancy I am sorry, I had missed it! I answered!
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 18, 2012 0:33:02 GMT -5
I just wanted to let you know that Momtomany lost her beautiful mother this afternoon.
Our hearts, thoughts, and prayers go out to you and your family, Momtomany.
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Post by lynne on Dec 18, 2012 0:54:59 GMT -5
Finally made it to the end of this thread. Whew! Skylar I am so sorry for the painful experiences you describe and understand that words can trigger strong emotions. I appreciate your honesty in sharing why the word hurts you the way it does. Everyone's reaction is different and is valid because it is hers. Our perceptions are built upon our own experiences. Sometimes in my life, someone has come along that shakes up the constructs I have previously built and causes me to reframe my old familiar responses into newer ones. When that happens, the process is never smooth or comfortable. Sometimes, after feeling the dissonance created by those interactions, I choose the framework I have already fashioned for myself- and sometimes I adjust and change it. It seems like Adam is shaking things up a bit for you right now. For me, the shakers were often my children. Loving them, at times I have reframed my perceptions in ways that ended up helping me move and grow through old hurts and/or past pre-conceptions in ways that ended up being very positive and transformational for me. Those moments have been some my greatest refiners. At other times, the growth came through deciding to love my imperfect and sometimes unobliging children even when their ideas/opinions/ideologies hurt me. For those times, the decision was to choose to love and enjoy all the things they were and let what they were not go. With my children, I have learned that I can love and enjoy imperfect people who act imperfectly and think in imperfect ways quite a bit. And that is a good thing because I, myself, am one of those very imperfect people. Of course, my children are my children, so the motivation to find peace with the dissonance they at times create is pretty absolute. With Adam, only you can decide if is worth it to go down those paths when stanning him feels uncomfortable to you. I respect your feelings and can feel the very real sadness this situation brings you. I will say that I admire you for wanting to address what feels uncomfortable to you in an up front manner. I know you know the good things Adam brings are pretty good. We are all just working things out. As for the male/female "taking back" of the word and who gets to "own" it, haven't some historically used feminine terminology with negative intent against gay men and women alike?
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Post by bullsfan on Dec 18, 2012 1:09:56 GMT -5
I'll go on record as saying I find that "c" word deeply offensive. There is no word more offensive to me. I say that as a New Yorker, a typical New Yorker who thinks they're multilingual because by the age of ten I could swear in several languages, at great length and with diversity of vocabulary. And yet, that word is beyond the Pale for me because of how it's been used in my presence in the past. That word is full of negative power. And not just for me, but for many women. Therefore, I will not be in voluntary conversation with someone who uses that word because they either know better or they know better and don't care about the impact of their words. It's not just about the word being offensive, it's about using words with the intent to power. With the right to free speech comes the responsibility to use it wisely and the wisdom to use it appropriately and without harm. Words DO have power. In fact, the very point of words and language is to communicate, which is powerful in and of itself. If you've ever watched someone who's had a stroke struggle to communicate, you know how powerful communication is. How we use those words and with what intent adds even more power to them. If words were impotent, then it wouldn't matter that the whackjobs from the Westboro UnBaptist Unchurch show up with their "God Hates Fags" signs at funerals or that every Yahoo article on Adam resulted in hundreds of homophobic hate screeds (to the point where for a time they had to disable comments). But it does matter, doesn't it? We all know that childhood rhyme of "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is nothing more than a lie designed to hide the truth. That words can and do hurt. Let's not be disingenuous and pretend otherwise. And let's not tell other people that they don't have a right to feel hurt. None of us get to set the rules or standards for other people when it comes to their emotions or experiences. Just because a word doesn't hurt you, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt others. Just because their experience with that word is different from your own, doesn't automatically invalidate their experience or give you the authority to use your words to invalidate it for them by saying "It's not that deep," because it may be quite deep for the other person. Conversely, just because you hate it, doesn't mean they have to hate it as well. It's also about the fact that unless you have your head buried deeply in the sand, you should know it's deeply offensive to many people and should avoid using it unless you know your audience is good with it. Ultimately, the least we can do for each other as humans is, as John Wesley said, "Do no harm." If your words cause harm, ask yourself why you're using them and why your reason for doing so HeWhoCannot ameds the hurt you cause. I realize the discussion is closed, but I couldn't just pass by without saying that this is an excellent post. Words are powerful. Back when I was working full time, a lot of my days were spent with African American teen boys. They learned very quickly never to use the word "nigger" in my presence. Because some words should never be "reclaimed." I love Adam, but I will readily admit that I don't love everything he says or everything he does. And that's ok, because it is pretty much how I feel about most people in my life.
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