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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:59:14 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but I don't think Idol producers are particularly concerned about "fair" voting, or accurate numbers of distinct voters. I also think they are only marginally interested in what happens to the winners and finalists after the season is over. In fact, as each season seems to have put more and more focus on the judges, I am not sure they care a whole lot about the contestants even during the show. Their focus is on being the most watched TV program and demonstrating it by the huge number of votes cast. YMMV Exactly, and Nigeel has evn said as much. He is in charge of the TV show & his job is to make a good show. What happens later is up to the label! Idol is first and foremost a TV show and a huge revenue producing one for FOX. |
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Post by seoulmate on Jan 7, 2013 21:05:03 GMT -5
He wrote back that that "Broken is an amazing piece." Later we talked a bit more, and this is where it got interesting. He said that Adam is "unsettling." I pursued further, "In what way?" "Well, it seems like he can do just about anything he wants to with his voice. Plus, speaking as a man, it's strange that he looks so attractive (female)." He said it reminded him of a movie where a heterosexual man fell in love with a man passing as a very attractive women. Now, before anyone thinks my BIL is prejudiced, his very best friend is homosexual and his sister is also. No problems there. That is why I found it so interesting that a hetero male who is very comfortable with gayness is so unsettled by Adam. I'm tempted to send him some of the Melvin/"masculine" photos, but then he'd really know I was out of my mind as a fan. Perhaps Adam is VERY unsettling in a similar way to other hetero males. hmmmm... Are you thinking your straight BIL is maybe subconsciously attracted to Adam? Thus the "unsettled" feeling? As in, "Crap! This guy is freakin' HOT!!!"  |
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Post by Sagittarius on Jan 7, 2013 21:05:04 GMT -5
Thanks to Belle, Soaked, Maddie, and others who have posted interesting info, cultural guidance, and links today. I have lots of tabs open with things to read later. Today's speculation on Adam's fans, hard core and casual, prompts me to tell of a recent conversation with my brother-in-law, a tenor but not as into classical music as I. During the years of my stanning, I have occasionally played a few tracks for him. I sent him a link to QAL Kiev last summer but don't know if he watched it. Recently, we were talking about music that really has moved us. We each named a few things, and then I brought up Broken Open. I told him I had burst into tears the first time I heard it, and it had nothing to do with the words. I was just moved by the sound of the music and the voice--love the electronic sounds. I sent BIL the link to a YT of BO that had a photo of the FYE cover for the whole song. I suggested he wear headphones so as to experience the swirling sound on that track. He wrote back that that "Broken is an amazing piece." Later we talked a bit more, and this is where it got interesting. He said that Adam is "unsettling." I pursued further, "In what way?" "Well, it seems like he can do just about anything he wants to with his voice. Plus, speaking as a man, it's strange that he looks so attractive (female)." He said it reminded him of a movie where a heterosexual man fell in love with a man passing as a very attractive women. Now, before anyone thinks my BIL is prejudiced, his very best friend is homosexual and his sister is also. No problems there. That is why I found it so interesting that a hetero male who is very comfortable with gayness is so unsettled by Adam. I'm tempted to send him some of the Melvin/"masculine" photos, but then he'd really know I was out of my mind as a fan. Perhaps Adam is VERY unsettling in a similar way to other hetero males. WOW ! Very interesting post !! I do believe there are some men and women who have a surprising (to themselves) reaction to Adam. I have to say as a woman who has never been an obsessed fan ...love Angelina Jolie but not to this degree...and my fanning is, for me, obsessive. Don't remember the exact interview but early after AI8 Adam was asked if he had ever been "propositioned" by any straight men during his Idol stint and he answered "a few".  Of course there was speculation as to who the men were and I was on a different site at that time , but I was surprised at some of the serious choices put forth.  In a post last week I wrote I thought Adam actually looked more feminine with his mini beard than with his clean face. He's truly a contradiction imo...tall, broad shouldered, dangerous looking when he sang WLL on Idol and the AI8 tour, and then a complete flip at FS. And as soon as he finished he became a little boy;excited that he practiced his new take alone in his car and no rehearsal with the band. :wub: How can you help but love him ? :2tears: |
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Post by Soaked on Jan 7, 2013 21:17:07 GMT -5
The two words that come to my mind are "grunge" for the shabby but edgy look, and "flamboyant" for the weird, over-the-top performance style. I may be totally out of it, though--maybe "these kids today" wouldn't be caught dead using the word "grunge."grunge came out of the Seattle groups of the 90s and the typical fashion is baggy jeans, white t-shirt and a flannel or plaid shirt. Adam definitly is NOT grunge. I think edgy fashion describes his casual look and his dressed up look. His stage look goes from Rocker to Glam. It may surprise you, but a whole lot of people dress the way Adam's casual look is in LA! Casual or street style are the words that first came to my mind, but I thought they were not strong enough. The Vietnamese word is "bui", which google translates as "dust", lol, This refers to the style that can look even dirty, wrinkle, ripped, torn, shabby, earthy, you name it, but if you know how to pull it off it can look very edgy. It doesn't have to be denim clothing. It can be long linen skirt that sweeps the ground. But you have to be able to carry those supposed-to-be-ugly clothes with style to be called "bui". Sometimes bulky, boxy, baggy style can be "bui" too. The antonym of casual is formal The antonym of this "dust style", lol, is glamorous. Ooops, do you describe gaga's performance campy or flamboyant? If you do, they may be the words. |
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Post by joky on Jan 7, 2013 21:22:58 GMT -5
How can you help but love him ?  Yup. This pretty much says it all for me. I, too, have never in my life followed a celebrity, singer, actor, etc. of any kind before. It's a strange experience, but--I can't help but love him!  |
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Post by Soaked on Jan 7, 2013 21:28:15 GMT -5
How can you help but love him ? Yup. This pretty much says it all for me. I, too, have never in my life followed a celebrity, singer, actor, etc. of any kind before. It's a strange experience, but--I can't help but love him! second this |
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Post by Soaked on Jan 7, 2013 21:41:17 GMT -5
Thanks for this, soaked. Fascinating! And, as you pointed out, it's interesting that only Adam was associated with "breaking ground" and not the other two singers, although they all performed at the same concert, and Adam came last!! But could it be because Adam is American. Lots of history between VN and the US. As someone here pointed out the other day, this concert has helped me to see VN as a place and not a war! No, there isn't any thing related to the war at all. It's because the media was more impressed with him than the other 2, even though the organizer tried their best to make every one equal. The organizer tried to get the same number of fans to the airport to welcome each of them, give each of them the same time slot at the concert, and the same number of cheerleaders for each at the concert. But most of the press coverage on the arrival was on Adam. There was some on Aurea, I haven't seen any on the Korean singer. By the way Adam's arrival information was kept confidential. I think the organizer did the same with the other 2, but Aurea posted her arrival information on twitter or Facebook ahead of time and Hennessy relayed it on their Facebook. My hubby read some articles about the concert, and he said it sounded like it was an Adam's concert with 2 openers. |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jan 7, 2013 21:41:29 GMT -5
Thanks to Belle, Soaked, Maddie, and others who have posted interesting info, cultural guidance, and links today. I have lots of tabs open with things to read later. Today's speculation on Adam's fans, hard core and casual, prompts me to tell of a recent conversation with my brother-in-law, a tenor but not as into classical music as I. During the years of my stanning, I have occasionally played a few tracks for him. I sent him a link to QAL Kiev last summer but don't know if he watched it. Recently, we were talking about music that really has moved us. We each named a few things, and then I brought up Broken Open. I told him I had burst into tears the first time I heard it, and it had nothing to do with the words. I was just moved by the sound of the music and the voice--love the electronic sounds. I sent BIL the link to a YT of BO that had a photo of the FYE cover for the whole song. I suggested he wear headphones so as to experience the swirling sound on that track. He wrote back that that "Broken is an amazing piece." Later we talked a bit more, and this is where it got interesting. He said that Adam is "unsettling." I pursued further, "In what way?" "Well, it seems like he can do just about anything he wants to with his voice. Plus, speaking as a man, it's strange that he looks so attractive (female)." He said it reminded him of a movie where a heterosexual man fell in love with a man passing as a very attractive women. Now, before anyone thinks my BIL is prejudiced, his very best friend is homosexual and his sister is also. No problems there. That is why I found it so interesting that a hetero male who is very comfortable with gayness is so unsettled by Adam. I'm tempted to send him some of the Melvin/"masculine" photos, but then he'd really know I was out of my mind as a fan. Perhaps Adam is VERY unsettling in a similar way to other hetero males. Well - as a female stan who loves Adam to death, I found the FYE cover unsetting and off-putting. I think it turned off a lot of people and some who might have bought FYE passed it over because of that cover and never gave him a chance. That sounds shallow but I don't think I am completely wrong here. I think that FYE cover was a huge miss in his career - like another event that I won't mention. heh. Has your BIL seen the Trespassing cover? You don't have to send him Melvin - just send the Trespassing cover. 8-) |
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Post by Holst on Jan 7, 2013 21:44:41 GMT -5
He wrote back that that "Broken is an amazing piece." Later we talked a bit more, and this is where it got interesting. He said that Adam is "unsettling." I pursued further, "In what way?" "Well, it seems like he can do just about anything he wants to with his voice. Plus, speaking as a man, it's strange that he looks so attractive (female)." He said it reminded him of a movie where a heterosexual man fell in love with a man passing as a very attractive women. Now, before anyone thinks my BIL is prejudiced, his very best friend is homosexual and his sister is also. No problems there. That is why I found it so interesting that a hetero male who is very comfortable with gayness is so unsettled by Adam. I'm tempted to send him some of the Melvin/"masculine" photos, but then he'd really know I was out of my mind as a fan. Perhaps Adam is VERY unsettling in a similar way to other hetero males. hmmmm... Are you thinking your straight BIL is maybe subconsciously attracted to Adam? Thus the "unsettled" feeling? As in, "Crap! This guy is freakin' HOT!!!" Oh, I'm not the one who is suggesting it--BIL is. That's why it was unsettling. Adam's cover looks like a beautiful woman to him. Yikes! To be attracted, for a moment, to a feminine-looking man. |
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Post by Soaked on Jan 7, 2013 21:51:38 GMT -5
discussion about his look reminds me of a comment I read somewhere written by a man about Adam "he is too beautiful to be a man, but he is a handsome man"
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