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Post by Q3 on Jan 13, 2013 16:25:54 GMT -5
Maybe Adam did sign a new contract with RCA -- shoshanna stone @shoshannastone 8am and I am already talking about the creation of album no. 3 and album no. 8.  )) That would be a standard contract term of an initial album plus 5 options for a total of 6 albums. That is a big smile at the end of her tweet. I think the #8 album is for one of Shoshanna's other artists, any one of the following who all have 7 albums out: Shakira (last December 2010) Britney (last March 2011) Usher (last June 2012) Yes, I got pulled out of the "mashed potatoes" on the next page.  |
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Post by cheriemelissa on Jan 13, 2013 16:28:03 GMT -5
I know I'm going to be in the minority with my opinion here, but my guess is that TP failed because it was sort of a gay anthem. He sang about trespassing on the heterosexual world and he sang about cruising gay bars and he sang about his relationship with Sauli and how they're told that it's wrong. Granted, Adam could have come out with a very generic album with very generic lyrics and he probably still would have trouble selling to this "christian fundamentalist" country, but making the album a gay anthem type thing probably made things worse. Also, I personally think Adam needs to move away from dance/pop music. I feel he made have sold more if he had stayed with pop/rock type songs instead. WWFM was a perfect fit for Adam and his voice is just wasted on dance music. That stuff is for the auto-tuned singers, not someone who can sing operatic Queen songs. I know Adam likes to push buttons and is not afraid to live his life openly as a gay man, and I deeply respect that, but I do believe it has hurt him in sales and will continue to do that here in america. This country is actually going backwards in some ways with the "fundamentalist" movement happening at the same time as we try to move forward with social issues. It will be a long fight and Adam will have a long fight too to garner respect for who he is here. Overseas, they are much more tolerant of people's differences because they aren't being taught by parents and churches to hate the gays as much as we are over here. The "fundamentalist" are fighting to keep the gays from gaining social acceptance here because they are feeling threatened. This may be shocking to some here, but my husband is a fundamentalist christian and he agreed with Iran's ruler that it is okay to imprison gays when caught in the act of sex. I was shocked too when he said it but I turned to him and said, "well, then you have to imprison the fornicators and adulterers too, what's the difference". That put him in his place as he couldn't disagree with that and claimed he wasn't thinking it through first but just the fact that he believes they are worthy of being imprisoned is bad enough. I asked him who are they hurting and he couldn't answer. This shows just how brainwashed they are and this is very common here in our country even though we are in the mist of trying to change society's preconceived ideas about gays. I just think Adam has always had an uphill battle to fight here in america and it will continue to be that way for him, unfortunately. This post has made me so angry, not at the person who posted but the fact that its probably true. These so called Christians have the loudest voices but they are NOT the majority of Americans. We MUST be just as loud. I am very active in Wisconsin politics. Not in any official way, but I contribute with my votes and activism. I WILL be a loud voice for gay rights in every way until they are granted equal rights in all aspects of American life. Being raised in Canada, it was hard for me to see this country so backward in its thinking but I will continue to fight the good fight!!!!!!!! >:( |
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Post by bullsfan on Jan 13, 2013 16:31:13 GMT -5
Call me clueless about what went wrong commercially with Trespassing. My best shot is that 2 poor singles killed it's chances. And, I guess, the fact that US promo was kind of underwhelming, and he didn't get to promo the album in a timely manner internationally (other than the UK). Basically, the label needs a better role-out for the third album. Giving it a fall release date would be good start. And (IMO only) going back to the Max Martin/Pink pop-rock style----which does NOT necessarily mean HAC since pop is embracing these songs more than ever. Or Jeff Bhasker. As I said a few days ago I would love it if he worked with Adam. But he might be one of those producers that is simply "out of reach" at this point in time. Anyway, I have NO doubt Adam is with a major---sounds like RCA. And a third album is happening . It is going to be a good year for Adam. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jan 13, 2013 16:33:51 GMT -5
Maybe Adam did sign a new contract with RCA -- shoshanna stone @shoshannastone 8am and I am already talking about the creation of album no. 3 and album no. 8. )) That would be a standard contract term of an initial album plus 5 options for a total of 6 albums. That is a big smile at the end of her tweet. I think the #8 album is for one of Shoshanna's other artists, any one of the following who all have 7 albums out: Shakira (last December 2010) Britney (last March 2011) Usher (last June 2012) Pretty sure it's Britney |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jan 13, 2013 16:38:11 GMT -5
Call me clueless about what went wrong commercially with Trespassing. My best shot is that 2 poor singles killed it's chances. And, I guess, the fact that US promo was kind of underwhelming, and he didn't get to promo the album in a timely manner internationally (other than the UK). Basically, the label needs a better role-out for the third album. Giving it a fall release date would be good start. And (IMO only) going back to the Max Martin/Pink pop-rock style----which does NOT necessarily mean HAC since pop is embracing these songs more than ever. Or Jeff Bhasker. As I said a few days ago I would love it if he worked with Adam. But he might be one of those producers thatvis simply "out of reach" at this point in time. Anyway, I have NO doubt Adam is with a major---sounds like RCA. And a third album is happening . It is going to be a good year for Adam. BTIKM PRobably wasn't the best single, but NCOE is good. There was not reason this song couldn't have been a hit. I'm not thrilled with RCA I think this was tossed out before, Ellie Goulding songs were basically off the radar and her management did something because her song was put back into rotation, I think, Z100 started to spin it. HOW THEY HELL DID HER tEAM pull this off????? payola??? Then why the heck didn't RCA push the heck for NCOE??? the promo for TP was horrendous. I hAVE NO FAITH w RCA. |
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Post by Albiku on Jan 13, 2013 16:38:26 GMT -5
Jo, I don't think Trespassing is a gay anthem at all. Outlaws of Love is a gay anthem, but the whole album? Not at all. The title song, Trespassing, for instance. I don't think it's about trespassing into the heterosexual world. I think it's about a weird artist trespassing into the mainstream music bizz.
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jan 13, 2013 16:40:28 GMT -5
Jo
I like your post because I think some of your input might have been a reason for the 'resistence' of PD's .
Especially when I hear obscure music of obscure artists who have songs put into rotation and do not have the fanbase of Adam;s. and the song sucks.. This just puzzle's me
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Post by xixioge on Jan 13, 2013 16:47:07 GMT -5
I know I'm going to be in the minority with my opinion here, but my guess is that TP failed because it was sort of a gay anthem. He sang about trespassing on the heterosexual world and he sang about cruising gay bars and he sang about his relationship with Sauli and how they're told that it's wrong. Granted, Adam could have come out with a very generic album with very generic lyrics and he probably still would have trouble selling to this "christian fundamentalist" country, but making the album a gay anthem type thing probably made things worse. Also, I personally think Adam needs to move away from dance/pop music. I feel he made have sold more if he had stayed with pop/rock type songs instead. WWFM was a perfect fit for Adam and his voice is just wasted on dance music. That stuff is for the auto-tuned singers, not someone who can sing operatic Queen songs. I know Adam likes to push buttons and is not afraid to live his life openly as a gay man, and I deeply respect that, but I do believe it has hurt him in sales and will continue to do that here in america. This country is actually going backwards in some ways with the "fundamentalist" movement happening at the same time as we try to move forward with social issues. It will be a long fight and Adam will have a long fight too to garner respect for who he is here. Overseas, they are much more tolerant of people's differences because they aren't being taught by parents and churches to hate the gays as much as we are over here. The "fundamentalist" are fighting to keep the gays from gaining social acceptance here because they are feeling threatened. This may be shocking to some here, but my husband is a fundamentalist christian and he agreed with Iran's ruler that it is okay to imprison gays when caught in the act of sex. I was shocked too when he said it but I turned to him and said, "well, then you have to imprison the fornicators and adulterers too, what's the difference". That put him in his place as he couldn't disagree with that and claimed he wasn't thinking it through first but just the fact that he believes they are worthy of being imprisoned is bad enough. I asked him who are they hurting and he couldn't answer. This shows just how brainwashed they are and this is very common here in our country even though we are in the mist of trying to change society's preconceived ideas about gays. I just think Adam has always had an uphill battle to fight here in america and it will continue to be that way for him, unfortunately. I agree with most of what you wrote, but come to think of it radio is not shy to play electro-pop from Guetta, Carvin Harris, Usher and even Chris Brown the woman beater gets shoved down people's throats by radio stations, so why not Adam? Secondly, he went very save hence why they released one of the few songs that wasn't electro pop on his album as the first single - mid-tempo BTIKM. I agree that living openly has cost him with those radio programmers. Also the title of the album was too confrontational to me also. He went political with his NCOE video in challenging the 'straight world'. Another thing that I feel in addition to all what you've written that has cost him is the Finnish incident that happened right when he released the single. It was like giving those conservative radio programmers a good hook to hang an enemy. I still feel their is an audience out there for him if his music gets rightfully marketed and can bypass people that control radio. Every artists needs to be promoted in order to sell and connect to that audience and he had none of it. His single/album get boosts with any little appearance he has for example. This is why I'm puzzled rca or whoever is in charge failed him in the area of marketing this era. His problem this era to me is less about the music. I just feel some of these other factors made the radio station owners pre-determine not to support anything he put out. By the way, I just remembered BTIKM was sent out months before we got the full album songs. No way would the programmers had known therefore that the album was a gay anthem. I'm therefore sticking to my other factors like Finland, being very openly gay and probably the Idol background too lol. |
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Post by nonotme on Jan 13, 2013 16:51:16 GMT -5
Jo, I did not find Trespassing to be a gay anthem. OOL was clearly about struggles faced by the gay community, but the album as a whole was more of an outsiders anthem, if anthem is even the right word in this case. The songs resonated very much with my personal, non-gay, experience.
However, I agree with you that there is still a lot of prejudice against gays and that bias, many times fueled by church teachings, contributed to difficulties in launching Trespassing.
Many people who have such a bias will think ANYTHING Adam puts out is "for gays." Just knowing from comments and interviews that Adam is gay and out will make those individuals see him as one-dimensional, gay being his sole defining characteristic and motivation in all that he does. We have a long way to go to change this point of view.
And yay! to you for helping your husband reconsider his opinion!
peace&love
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Post by Albiku on Jan 13, 2013 16:53:46 GMT -5
I don't think the Finland incident hurt the album at all. :dunno:
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