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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 21:53:51 GMT -5
That was St. Adam.  ETA: Beyonce was good but the show was not that good and certainly not equal to most past half-time shows. JMHO. Totally agree with you Q3. Great dancer ...singing about 20 words in a mumbly song does not do it for me. Just another example of how subjective music love can be - she leaves me totally cold, but I know people who are just the opposite. Of course, several are men who may not be looking for singing ability (that's not what they say, tho  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 21:59:58 GMT -5
Apologies for jumping in the middle of it seems two conversations I will go with the one who is serving up the drinks! Anyway, just wanted to share something kind of cute. Our youngest son was here for three days this week, he works at 25 degree, a bar/burger restaurant located in The Roosevelt Hotel on Hollywood Blvd. A few days ago one of the servers is totally excited because she has just finnished serving Sauli, Adam Lambert's boyfriend. She is telling her story to other servers and Kevin hears her and jumps in with..........if he ever comes in again get his autograph for my Mom...........she is over the top addicted to Adam Lambert. The server says......so am I.....how do you think I know who Sauli is????? I am so laughing when he is telling me this.......poor Sauli, if he ever goes there again all the servers are now on a mission. Back to lurking, sorry for the interruption, just had to share a funny Poor girl will faint when Sauli comes in with Adam! |
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Post by nannygoat on Feb 3, 2013 22:00:14 GMT -5
Now I'm upset, and I don't understand anymore what I did wrong - for me it's not story from Bible, it's things I've learned in school when we were talking about interpretations in poetry. To this day I didn't know one person who didn't know meaning behind Tower of Bable and I was only suprised not judgemental (sorry my english is stil rough, I'm not that clear as I want to be sometimes). Talking about jumping to conclusions. So thanks for making me feel like some kind of bad person. I didn't know about it from the Bible either, but understood the reference. It was referenced in the 2006 movie 'Babel'. Here's what the IMBd site had to say about the reference and meaning of the title.. The title refers to the story of the Tower of Babel in the Biblical Book of Genesis. In the story, the people of the world are all united and speak a common language. They begin to build a tower to reach the heavens and become godlike themselves. God, seeing this, decides to confuse the language of the people and destroy the tower. When the people could no longer understand each other they gave up work on the tower and spread out to different parts of the world. It also refers to the connections -or lack thereof- that come through the use of language. In each storyline the characters struggle with surviving and self-identification based on misunderstanding through a language barrier. This film ultimately looks at the fact that we are all intimately connected on a life-and-death level, yet the trivialities of langauge and misunderstandings break us apart.
Also, the word 'babel' means a confused noise created by a number of voices, which is essentially what the story of the movie is Thank you for the more detailed story of the 'Tower of Babel'. Never questioned the reference in "Broken English" as I had a general idea what was meant. Love checking out this blog: interesting opinions and always something new to learn. |
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Post by nica575 on Feb 3, 2013 22:07:00 GMT -5
the streets of Manhattan are eerie empty - no cars and no pedestrians... I suppose same in every town USA... I'll know the game is over by the level of street noise getting back to normal... |
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Post by cassie on Feb 3, 2013 22:09:20 GMT -5
Re: knowing about the tower of Babel. It is fascinating to me what cultural references we all have that we don't even realize are specific to our culture and not others. I deal with this frequently as an interpreter. The deaf folks I interpret for are Americans, but because they cannot hear and their families rarely can communicate with them in any significant way (very sad to say, as most never learn to sign), these people do not hear, pick up and understand many commonplace things in daily life. For example, a large majority of Americans can recite the Miranda rights. "You have the right to remain silent. If you choose to...." We have heard them recited on cop shows all our lives. Deaf folks may have no idea of these rights. Many deaf children do not know any of our traditional fairy tales (unless they were made into Disney movies, which they also cannot hear.) Finish the sentence: "I'll huff and I'll puff, and........" Nope, they cannot do it. No clue.
Judao-Christian references abound in our society. Even if we were not raised in the faith, we hear constant references. Everyone knows the story of Christmas and "no room at the inn", right? Everyone has heard of the Ten Commandments, even if they cannot recite them all. We assume these are universal concepts and experiences. Finish the sentence: "Do unto others, ....."
The fact is, many of our cultural references are far from universal. This forum, with its many international members, points that out frequently. It is one of the wonderful things about this forum. We may trip and stumble over words, phrases and concepts that are unfamiliar, but it helps us to grow and appreciate different points of view. Please be gentle with one another when it comes to assumptions about "common" knowledge. And for those who have a different cultural view, please continue to share it so that we can learn from you, and forgive us if we sometimes seem insensitive. We are all works in progress.
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Post by kryptoman68 on Feb 3, 2013 22:11:37 GMT -5
Another thing to mention about the whole Tower Of Babel story - it looks like in some European cultures, some stories that are originally from the Bible have become part of the social fabric and everyday's language. I know this is true in some Catholic countries (Austria, Poland etc.), so it is quite possible that some of us assume (incorrectly) that everyone knows what these stories mean in general terms.
Interestingly enough, in my mother's language the same story has generated an expression with a different meaning - the expression "Babel Tower Building" ("Vavilonsko Stylpotrvorenie" in Bulgarian) is used to describe total chaos, too many people in one place. From a short Google search it looks like it is the case with other Slavic languages like Russian.
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Post by jazzhands on Feb 3, 2013 22:19:57 GMT -5
So, I've been reading that the title track of David Bowie's new album, "The Next Day", is an historical song Bowie wrote about the violent killing of a tyrannical Cardinal in England during the medieval period. Having never studied medieval English history myself, I’m feeling a little bit intimidated.  |
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Post by cassie on Feb 3, 2013 22:19:59 GMT -5
Cultural differences: part two.
I teach a class on professional ethics. As part of the class, students are assigned to write their personal ethical principles. One of the most commonly cited is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." (Yup, a bible quote.) I always challenge them to consider this. What if the other person does not WANT what you want? For example, you may want others to call you by your first name, rather than Mr/Miss/Mrs XYZ. So, you may do the same with them. BUT, if they are from a culture that shows respect for elders or persons in authority by using an honorific and a surname, you may be be showing disrespect. You may come from a background where people hug each other as a greeting. Doing unto others --- giving them a big hug--- may be extremely uncomfortable for them if they were raised differently.
Again, I love this place because we have occasional cultural clashes that help us all to become more aware.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 3, 2013 22:22:36 GMT -5
Regarding the "Tower of Babel", it is actually not called the Tower of Babel in the Torah, the Hebrew Old Testament. The title was added much later. God refers to the place as Babel after he confuses the language and scatters the people over the face of the whole earth. This is just one of many stories that explain why people speak different languages. Bringing it a bit back on topic....this is from Wikipedia (I did not make it up!) |
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Post by betty on Feb 3, 2013 22:22:44 GMT -5
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