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Post by stella on Mar 19, 2013 13:05:22 GMT -5
I assume all the FRECKLES fans on this forum have enjoyed the pictures Wal posted on page 2. That mini-vacation in Bali, baking in the sun brought them out nicely, don't you think? Oh yes! Very nice! |
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Post by 8toinfinity on Mar 19, 2013 13:07:44 GMT -5
This can (and does) happen in any city in the U.S.....of course the difference being the person would probably jump out with a gun and would likely shoot first and ask questions later. yep....my husband works in downtown Newark. The stories he tells...... Really! In broad daylight, in a nice downtown area. I've never seen anything like it and hope I never do. And how about those dash board cameras?! LOL Have you seen any of those vids? |
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 13:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by lm2718 on Mar 19, 2013 13:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 19, 2013 13:11:53 GMT -5
So, discontinuing bringing culture to St. Petersburg is now a good thing because the ACLU is for it? What argument is that?
In this case the ACLU is obviously also unhappy that Adam is in St.P. right now, because that is continuing the dialogue. Bad, Bad....
The ACLU is serving their own interests of looking good towards the LGBT community in the US, rather than serving the interests of the population they are actually claiming to help, in this case, the LGBT community in St. Petersburg, imo.
This is the problem with such organizations that generally have good intention, there is an element of activist thinking that can take over and at times backfire. We have seen such effects with Glaad and other organizations too. Not all is good and helpful that is intended well.
Anyhow, I just wanted to give a different perspective for those who really plan to write such letters to their local city official, because I believe that the recommendation on page 1 is not a good one. Everybody gets to make their own mind on this. Both sides have been explained, so I am done with this.
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 13:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 13:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 13:18:45 GMT -5
But since there has been discussion of what life is like today "behind what was the Iron Curtain" I thought I'd add a current anecdote. My son just got back from a semester abroad in St. Pete's. He loved the city for the most part, enjoyed the Hooka lounges at night. He also was afraid for any of the girls to be on their own in the evenings but had only one truly scary incident. While crossing the street a car basically stopped so close he had to jump away and instictually hit the hood of the car with his hand in anger/protest. The driver got out with a big knife and came after him, along with his 2 passengers. My son apologized profusely, or as profusely as he could with his elementary Russian, while trying to keep himself between the men and the girl he was with. I guess they took pity on the foreigner and eventually retreated back to their abandoned car but, DS was scared shitless. Of course he didn't tell us about this until he got home, thank God. ??? This can (and does) happen in any city in the U.S.....of course the difference being the person would probably jump out with a gun and would likely shoot first and ask questions later. Yes, the U.S. has its share of violence, but nothing like Russia. The homicide rate in Russia is twice as high as the U.S., even with strict gun laws. Domestic violence is particularly high: www.theworld.org/2013/01/gun-violence-russia/Also, I was watching "20/20" last week and they did a segment on the high rate of auto accidents in Russia. A correspondent who lives in Russia said "If you come to Russia, do not drive!" Apparently reckless driving is quite prevalent. More in this link: rt.com/news/traffic-car-crash-russia/Not trying to beat up on Russia. The country has an amazing cultural heritage in all forms of art: architecture, literature, dance, film, music. But as the links above point out, Russia is "a very complex society, with a strong undercurrent of violence" (quoting the first link). In many ways, it is more dangerous than other European countries and the U.S. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 13:21:51 GMT -5
Who is freaking out.. I was in St. Petersburg 7 years ago before this overt government anti- gay policy took place..I just think a twitter campaign with OOL is not a great idea for ME.As far as Adam singing it .. Great. People are sharing their feelings.. have you visited Russia?.. Most of the everyday people are lovely.. the govt. not so much.. the rise of the new Cossacks .. Hate with govt. approval.Just saying.. Things have changed because of the hate campaign against gays in this particular city by a particular mean spirited politician. freaking out might have been harsh.....but there is some def angst and worrying. Adam has a team of people and he's a smart man. I don't see him doing anything to cause controversy while he's there. He had no issues in Moscow so I'm sure he'll have no issues in St. Petersburg. I've never visited Russia, I wish I was in a position to travel like that...perhaps when I'm older, like many of the ladies on here, I can enjoy those luxuries. The stories about all the places you guys have been makes me hope that when I'm your age I've done even half as much  As for the gov v. the people, the same can be said of the majority of countries IMO, including the U.S. I think Adam is quite used to navigating in dangerous waters.......he has, perhaps, been doing so since he became sexually aware. |
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Post by laceyrose on Mar 19, 2013 13:29:54 GMT -5
Ok, so I wont supply percentages since I don't want to be inaccurate (or have the time to look figures up) but Adam is in a place where he, as an openly gay man, is seen as criminal, immoral, a danger to society, and mentally inbalanced, by the government and a large majority of the citizens. On top of just being himself, he will stand on a stage and sing Fever with a male pronoun, he will sing OOL which he is on record for saying is about gay rights. What part of that sounds 100% safe? I think he will be fine but, for sure he is making a statement by being there and there are risks to that from those that want to make an opposing statement. I applaud Adam for taking the risk, but the consequences are really out of his hands. That's what I don't like. this isn't his first time in Russia. Why is everyone freaking out? He just performed in Moscow without incident.....what has got everyone's knickers in a twist just because he traveled to another city in Russia? Please do not lump us all together as if we are all in agreement. I have my own ideas, etc. as do other members of this forum. I see nothing wrong with people having diverse opinions, but all too often a few persons' ideas/concerns seem to be comprehended as reflecting that of the entire board. I love this board because we are allowed to express ourselves (or lurk, in my case) if we are polite and considerate. I do not, however, have to accept the eye-rolling scorn of people who don't know me. |
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