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Post by melliemom on Jul 10, 2013 9:07:56 GMT -5
Interesting post Melliemom.... Thinking about the three projects, I think Adam probably has the least pressure on A3. Setting that aside, for all the discussion about what direction Adam should take, he is not like Bowie -- a shape shifter who sheds his persona. He has remained constantly Adam since we first saw him on Idol. What Adam lacks is a clear market position as a recording artist. And looking at the difference between RCA's vision for the Trespassing era (BTIKM, NCOE, adult pop -- yawn -- boring) and Adam's vision (Trespassing -- not sure what genre it is -- interesting, complex, meaningful, not designed for radio), I am pleased that there is apparently some discussion about focusing on a concept for A3. Whatever else, Adam will be Adam. He will put together the album he wants, record a couple tracks for RCA A&R, and will be fine. And maybe if the planets align, will put out a single that fits the moment and burns up the radio charts. I am not expecting this. I just want/need more new Adam music. ** Last night I re-listened to Adam's Idol performance of Tracks of my Tears. Even if he does an entire album of covers, I would be happy with an album of covers by Adam -- because they would all be Adamized.  Pretty much agree with this. If you go back and listen to Adam's 5 part interview with Slezak, it is pretty amazing how Adam is Adam. I have to add that I think 2011 was his very reflective time. The result was Trespassing which really let us see into Adam's life. ![]() I think his 2nd album probably carried the most pressure. And it was a huge success! A wonderful album with incredibly positive critical reviews. My hope is that #3 is as good. And that this time, his label "gets" him and "gets" his fans. He knows what we want, and he has his pulse on popular music. He knows what the new now next thing will be. Like using Pharell and Nile a full year before they had their "comebacks." Now if only the label would catch up to his thinking! If only! mys*&@^#r I so agree...to add,in a perfect music world, I really wish ADAM didn't have label limitations.. Can you imagine what he would create? Hopefully, someday, Adam will have the freedom to fly without restraints.. That's my ADAM prayer. |
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Post by Q3 on Jul 10, 2013 9:39:14 GMT -5
I do not have any hope that RCA will "get" Adam's fans. Looking at the crowd at the Del Mar concert, there is no unifying principle that fits within the marketing world of corporate entertainment.
> Demographically, the only thing I could see is that it was skewed white/anglo, but otherwise looked like America because it was in America. PeEven the M&G line was less homogenous than I imagined. Las Vegas 2010 and Sayreville 2010 and Idol Memphis 2009 were the same. (I did not tally stats at any other concerts.)
> Genre? In talking to people at concerts for 3 years, and based on the fans I encounter, there is no common genre except not too many Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans. But I think that is because of other factors.
> There is a attitudinal commonality -- and it is global. It also explains the lack of Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans.
You cannot easily market to a attitudinal group. Radio is organized around demos and genres/formats. TV is organized to reach demographic groups. The web is essential to an artist like Adam. The web is self-organized and user filtered.
I honestly think RCA understands that they have to market Adam online -- and they tried to do this with BTIKM. But a drab, boring, standard pop song like BTIKM is not going to be a viral hit. It is really hard to get anything to go viral and close to impossible to plan it.
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Post by Kamar on Jul 10, 2013 9:43:56 GMT -5
Ar Cee Ay is afraid . Or was afraid (with trespassing) . I hope with all my being that they do not play it safe next time and not commit the same mistake .
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 10, 2013 9:51:50 GMT -5
HaHa I think fans are getting bored. His twitter feed is full of retweets from days, even months, ago. It's a good thing we have one more concert to look forward too. That should hold us for a little while.
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Post by adamrocks on Jul 10, 2013 9:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jul 10, 2013 9:53:18 GMT -5
On Vacation last week - had sporadic internet..damn...catching up
Mys*&@^#50 - As I see it, 3rd Album carries the most weight NOW in his POP future and pressure as a succesful writer as YES 2nd Album received postive critical reviews but sales were low and radio near zilc.
I might add, In terms of the billboards and #'s. a successful artist sells big numbers and big numbers were not garnered for #2 album. Decent "yes" for another album but not hugh. Internationally I would say he was so so.
Yes as you said His label "gets" him as well as his fans but they've done a lousy job of "getting" him and ptting pressure on radio to play him. BTIKM was oK but NCOE was exactly what we are hearing on radio. oh well..
Now that society has moved forward as someone posted up earlier, biased advertisers for radio, radio will be more open to playing and radio won't be afraid
Q3 I HOPE HIS NEXT SINGLE BLOWS UP and YES I'M CROSSING ALL TOES AND FINGERS, IT WILL I'm BEING POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by adamrocks on Jul 10, 2013 10:09:30 GMT -5
LAMBERTLUST @lambertlust Incredible new Adam Lambert drawing by @listoffsay 300 twitpic.com/d1vvyf
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Post by evergreen on Jul 10, 2013 10:37:57 GMT -5
I do not have any hope that RCA will "get" Adam's fans. Looking at the crowd at the Del Mar concert, there is no unifying principle that fits within the marketing world of corporate entertainment. > Demographically, the only thing I could see is that it was skewed white/anglo, but otherwise looked like America because it was in America. PeEven the M&G line was less homogenous than I imagined. Las Vegas 2010 and Sayreville 2010 and Idol Memphis 2009 were the same. (I did not tally stats at any other concerts.) > Genre? In talking to people at concerts for 3 years, and based on the fans I encounter, there is no common genre except not too many Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans. But I think that is because of other factors. > There is a attitudinal commonality -- and it is global. It also explains the lack of Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans. You cannot easily market to a attitudinal group. Radio is organized around demos and genres/formats. TV is organized to reach demographic groups. The web is essential to an artist like Adam. The web is self-organized and user filtered.
I honestly think RCA understands that they have to market Adam online -- and they tried to do this with BTIKM. But a drab, boring, standard pop song like BTIKM is not going to be a viral hit. It is really hard to get anything to go viral and close to impossible to plan it. - Your comment about the web being Adam's best marketing avenue makes so much sense. As far as you know, is RCA up to speed in this area? If Adam Official is any indication....  What approach would you use if you had the Adam internet project? (I get excited just thinking about the professionals on this board being given the opportunity to use their expertise and commitment in such an endeavor!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 10:41:57 GMT -5
I do not have any hope that RCA will "get" Adam's fans. Looking at the crowd at the Del Mar concert, there is no unifying principle that fits within the marketing world of corporate entertainment. > Demographically, the only thing I could see is that it was skewed white/anglo, but otherwise looked like America because it was in America. PeEven the M&G line was less homogenous than I imagined. Las Vegas 2010 and Sayreville 2010 and Idol Memphis 2009 were the same. (I did not tally stats at any other concerts.) > Genre? In talking to people at concerts for 3 years, and based on the fans I encounter, there is no common genre except not too many Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans. But I think that is because of other factors. > There is a attitudinal commonality -- and it is global. It also explains the lack of Country, Christian and Hip Hop/Rap fans. You cannot easily market to a attitudinal group. Radio is organized around demos and genres/formats. TV is organized to reach demographic groups. The web is essential to an artist like Adam. The web is self-organized and user filtered. I honestly think RCA understands that they have to market Adam online -- and they tried to do this with BTIKM. But a drab, boring, standard pop song like BTIKM is not going to be a viral hit. It is really hard to get anything to go viral and close to impossible to plan it. The unifying principle, Q3, is that Adam's fans want Adam to be Adam. And that's what RCA didn't get! We don't want BTIKM. WE want Cuckoo and Shady and Pop That Lock and OOL! |
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Post by didilynn on Jul 10, 2013 10:42:15 GMT -5
While I agree that Adam is knowledgable about what's new and cutting edge in the music biz, I see people giving him kudos for his choices to work with Pharell and Nile, but I don't think either of those collabs were his idea. Didn't he say his label suggested Pharell in many interviews? I remember him saying he wasn't sure if he was "cool enough" but it worked out really well. Seems someone at his label had some insight, right?
Also, I recall that contacting Nile was Sam Sparro's idea, maybe I'm remembering this wrong, anyone else remember?
Even if these weren't his ideas, I think both connections have been very good for Adam in many ways. Maybe I just want to believe that someone at his label believes in him, as much as I do, as we fans do.
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