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Post by Craazyforadam on Sept 24, 2013 0:23:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Q3 and 3ku1. Confirms what I was kind of suspecting, but just did not quite want to believe.
Oh well, hopefully, all this attention now will be helpful when A3 comes around. Just seems like he is more supported by radio and press and organizations like Billboard, Grammy, etc. since he has departed RCA. As if he was magically held back while still with that label. It's quite astounding actually. Hope it continues. He deserves to be heard by so many more folks, he just needs the chances.
TY also for all the wonderful reviews from folks who were in LV. Enjoying to read them all.
ETA: Also, make sure not to miss this video of WWTLF from high up in the nose-bleed seats. His voice FILLS the arena and you can't help to see the enthusiasm and astonishment that must have engulfed them all.
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Post by Holst on Sept 24, 2013 5:47:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Q3 and 3ku1. Confirms what I was kind of suspecting, but just did not quite want to believe. Oh well, hopefully, all this attention now will be helpful when A3 comes around. Just seems like he is more supported by radio and press and organizations like Billboard, Grammy, etc. since he has departed RCA. As if he was magically held back while still with that label. It's quite astounding actually. Hope it continues. He deserves to be heard by so many more folks, he just needs the chances. TY also for all the wonderful reviews from folks who were in LV. Enjoying to read them all. ETA: Also, make sure not to miss this video of WWTLF from high up in the nose-bleed seats. His voice FILLS the arena and you can't help to see the enthusiasm and astonishment that must have engulfed them all. What a different perspective. And check out the audience guy in the red shirt (lower left). It's a lovely thing to watch a person's reaction to Adam's singing. |
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Post by LindaG23 on Sept 24, 2013 6:43:30 GMT -5
ETA: Also, make sure not to miss this video of WWTLF from high up in the nose-bleed seats. His voice FILLS the arena and you can't help to see the enthusiasm and astonishment that must have engulfed them all. What a different perspective. And check out the audience guy in the red shirt (lower left). It's a lovely thing to watch a person's reaction to Adam's singing. I flove the guy in the red shirt. He is amazed, he is exalted, he is overcome ... he is now a glambert even if he doesn't know it. |
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Post by talon on Sept 24, 2013 7:50:45 GMT -5
The 'Queen should not perform anymore because Freddie died' attitude of some Queen fans just makes me shake my head. I understand that there is and will always be only one Freddie period. But would these same Queen fans say that Queen should be no more if either Brian, Roger, or John had passed away. Would they not want to hear Freddie and the rest of the band sing the songs that they love so much? The genius of Brian's guitar, Roger's drums, and John's bass are as much a part of what made up Queen as Freddie. Do you think Freddie would have stopped performing and singing the songs that he and the rest of the band wrote and performed for years? Freddie even did things independent of Queen at times...were the Queen fans angry with him? Talon maybe you can help me understand this. I know it's hard to hear someone else sing songs Freddie did but would these fans really rather see the music just basically lay silent when there is Adam who...doesn't want to imitate or take Freddie's place but just wants to pay homage to him, Queen, and their brilliant catalog of music...can make these great songs come alive again in the spirit of Freddie and Queen for a whole new generation of music lovers? Sorry...I just get tired reading some Queen fans comments about Queen and Adam performing together. Completely agree with this. You don't see fans angry with Paul McCartney for continuing to perform Beatles hits, even though John Lennon and George Harrison passed years ago. Is it possible that Adam's stellar singing ticks off some diehard Queen fans because it's so good that he can't be dismissed as just another Freddie wannabe? Certainly I can explain it. Now please note I don't necessarily agree with all of these points, but I do SEE their point and can empathize a bit. This second quote is probably THE crux of it.It's all about the name. Have you ever seen Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr performing as The Beatles? The ONLY time that they were The Beatles again without John was for the two songs on the Anthology project and that was using John vocals. Hell when Jimmy Page and Robert Plant toured and did a lot of Led Zeppelin material, they called themselves Page/Plant. To these people QUEEN is a magical ingredient of 4 people and without any of them it's not Queen anymore. So to be without TWO is even worse. And then to present it as Queen is blasphemy. To them it's not Queen and shouldn't be presented as such. If Brian and Roger were to join with Adam and call it something else or even if they were just announced as May/Taylor of Queen with Adam Lambert I think they would be far more accepting. But to call it Queen is misleading and false in their minds. They accepted when they recorded No-One But You due to the fact that it was at least all three of them Brian, Roger, and John and it was (partially) a tribute to Freddie. You see Brian and Roger have gone on solo tours (and Roger with the Cross) and the fans love when they do Queen songs in their set. That's not it at all... It's just that Q+AL to them is NOT Queen and to use the name Queen sullies the name to them. You guys weren't around for the beginning of Queen + Paul Rodgers. QPR has gained acceptance over the years (although most don't care for the studio album). BUT at the very beginning it was the same way. It's not Queen. If it was May/Taylor/Rodgers or whatever it would have been easier for them to accept. I mean this is a hard comparison to make and it doesn't match entirely...but let's say Adam Lambert hooked up with a band and for ten years they cranked out albums enough to have 2 greatest hits volumes as The Adam Lambert Band and it's ALL the same band and they were all equally important in the creation of the music. Then god forbid Adam passes. 2 of the band decide to soldier on with all of Adam's hits with a different singer. It might be strange to you guys with whom Adam was the primary focus... And why is Paul more acceptable than Adam? Mainly because to them Paul was a contemporary who grew up in the same way and went through the same trials and had a ton of his own hits to stand on his own. Old purists view Adam as 2 things: a. A desperate attempt by Brian and Roger to sell out the Queen legacy to reach a younger audience and to reach America. b. Adam is not a contemporary and does not have his own two feet to stand on with his own catalogue of material etc. so it's not a real collaboration of sorts. c. And with both of the above it's partially a built up thing over the years...It's not JUST the AL thing, it's that AL seems to be the latest in a long string of teaming up with those who haven't done enough to play with Queen. They feel that bands like The Beatles and Led Zeppelin have maintained their integrity while Brian and Roger have not. Now as to would they be as vehement if it had been one of the other three to have passed. They say yes. BUT at the same time while Queen was four equal members, to be completely honest Freddie was the focal point. So I do think if John had gone for instance and Freddie,Brian ,and Roger had continued it might be a bit more acceptable. You'd still hear Freddie's voice, Brian's guitar and Roger's soaring backing vocals. If Roger had passed and Fred,Brian, and John maybe a bit less so...if Brian had passed it would have been almost as bad as Freddie Again I don't necessarily agree. I think that Queen is also the catalogue of songs and if the remaining members of the band are to perform the catalogue then really what else do you call it? I also think that by adding the + makes it clear that Adam is not in the band...although techinically it's really Queen - F/J + AL  I personally would rather it be Brian and Roger of Queen with Adam BUT I don't get all up in arms when it's not. I feel like I've rambled but did I make any sense? |
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Post by melliemom on Sept 24, 2013 8:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Q3 and 3ku1. Confirms what I was kind of suspecting, but just did not quite want to believe. Oh well, hopefully, all this attention now will be helpful when A3 comes around. Just seems like he is more supported by radio and press and organizations like Billboard, Grammy, etc. since he has departed RCA. As if he was magically held back while still with that label. It's quite astounding actually. Hope it continues. He deserves to be heard by so many more folks, he just needs the chances. TY also for all the wonderful reviews from folks who were in LV. Enjoying to read them all. ETA: Also, make sure not to miss this video of WWTLF from high up in the nose-bleed seats. His voice FILLS the arena and you can't help to see the enthusiasm and astonishment that must have engulfed them all. WOW astonishing sound thank you.. I think this seems even fuller |
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Post by cassie on Sept 24, 2013 8:25:55 GMT -5
Talon, your explanation makes perfect sense and I can see the validity of it. And I think I would feel similarly if Paul McCartney and Ringo went on tour as the Beatles, and had someone standing in for John and George. No matter how good the music, that would not be the BEATLES. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Sept 24, 2013 8:38:08 GMT -5
Yes, Talon, you make perfect sense. TY. And I think that this is one angle to the discussion, and probably the only valid one that those critiques have. What this does not explain is the rhetoric against the fact that he comes from AI (even though JT coming from Disney is not a problem). Does not explain homophobic rants against Adam from Queen fans, nevertheless. Does not explain why for the longest time it was 'he cannot sing a Queen catalog' or 'this is karaoke' type comments, which interestingly more recently have become 'he sings too technically perfect' comments. So, Nate was ok because he was more rock and roll - imperfect. All those type of comments are imo made because Adam is really up there with Freddie in skill and therefore perceived a threat. Nate (who by the way, I believe did actually quite a bit better than some folks here gave him credit for) is a fun addition (pun intended), but not a challenge to the throne. The problem with that is that Adam never aspired to take over any thrones. He just was invited, saw it as a personal challenge and accepted that. He took that risk and he then wanted to use this gig to interpret and provide his perspective on the catalog. And he did that and succeeded at that. Let's face it. It was darn brave to take on a two hour Queen catalog first time and do so in front of a festival / soccer size crowd. He could have gone down in flames with such an attempt too. Was this a bit of a springboard into the UK market for him? Sure. England had so far cut him off and ignored him. But I disagree that it was his springboard world-wide. He largely had Asia's attention since idol aired there and in America he was and is well known, even though he is controversial. In the rest of Europe, he still does not really have a footing (except Finnland, Hungary, Estonia, maybe Latvia). And I think that A3 will have to do that, and if it is rock leaning, it may help. I don't think that continental Europe was very open to the Trespassing sounds. But they loved WWFM and Sleepwalker, for example. I do agree with you that tons of Adam fans get equally defensive and negative when it comes to their own guy. I think your example was valid and Glamberts need to watch out for that. I see it in all the hostility any duet partners get, when they sing with Adam. Angie (prior to the performance), and now Nate for example. Adam is supposed to live musically isolated on that throne that the fanbase has erected for him. He can do no wrong and anybody around him can do no right. I find that quite a dangerous tendency, actually. And I think if we as Adam fanbase continue this way, we will sound as grumpy and out of touch with reality as some of the fanboards that have the discussions, I commented on further up. I am sure Talon (and many others here) will recognize them well.  I see it more as a warning, not to go down the same path. |
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Post by melliemom on Sept 24, 2013 8:49:46 GMT -5
Yes, Talon, you make perfect sense. TY. And I think that this is one angle to the discussion, and probably the only valid one that those critiques have. What this does not explain is the rhetoric against the fact that he comes from AI (even though JT coming from Disney is not a problem). Does not explain homophobic rants against Adam from Queen fans, nevertheless. Does not explain why for the longest time it was 'he cannot sing a Queen catalog' or 'this is karaoke' type comments, which interestingly more recently have become 'he sings too technically perfect' comments. So, Nate was ok because he was more rock and roll - imperfect. All those type of comments are imo made because Adam is really up there with Freddie in skill and therefore perceived a threat. Nate (who by the way, I believe did actually quite a bit better than some folks here gave him credit for) is a fun addition (pun intended), but not a challenge to the throne. The problem with that is that Adam never aspired to take over any thrones. He just was invited, saw it as a personal challenge and accepted that. He took that risk and he then wanted to use this gig to interpret and provide his perspective on the catalog. And he did that and succeeded at that. Let's face it. It was darn brave to take on a two hour Queen catalog first time and do so in front of a festival / soccer size crowd. He could have gone down in flames with such an attempt too. Was this a bit of a springboard into the UK market for him? Sure. England had so far cut him off and ignored him. But I disagree that it was his springboard world-wide. He largely had Asia's attention since idol aired there and in America he was and is well known, even though he is controversial. In the rest of Europe, he still does not really have a footing (except Finnland, Hungary, Estonia, maybe Latvia). And I think that A3 will have to do that, and if it is rock leaning, it may help. I don't think that continental Europe was very open to the Trespassing sounds. But they loved WWFM and Sleepwalker, for example. I do agree with you that tons of Adam fans get equally defensive and negative when it comes to their own guy. I think your example was valid and Glamberts need to watch out for that. I see it in all the hostility any duet partners get, when they sing with Adam. Angie (prior to the performance), and now Nate for example. Adam is supposed to live musically isolated on that throne that the fanbase has erected for him. He can do no wrong and anybody around him can do no right. I find that quite a dangerous tendency, actually. And I think if we as Adam fanbase continue this way, we will sound as grumpy and out of touch with reality as some of the fanboards that have the discussions, I commented on further up. I am sure Talon (and many others here) will recognize them well. I see it more as a warning, not to go down the same path. I agree Fans have to adapt more of their Idol's generosity towards others. Adam is no longer a contestant and there is no more who is better and who is winning.. As he has often said to paraphrase, there is room for everyone,all types of music and all types of singers. I'm thrilled that he is collaborating with others . He seems to so enjoy doing so.... Again He comes from a theater background where It's more all for one and one for all..You leave your ego out the door,It's the production as a whole that counts. |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Sept 24, 2013 8:55:00 GMT -5
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Thanks so much for the recap! I loved every word of it. I missed it earlier and thought maybe you were disappointed with the show or Adam. I should have known better. I am so happy and proud for him I can't even say.
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Post by talon on Sept 24, 2013 16:32:10 GMT -5
What this does not explain is the rhetoric against the fact that he comes from AI (even though JT coming from Disney is not a problem). Does not explain homophobic rants against Adam from Queen fans, nevertheless. Does not explain why for the longest time it was 'he cannot sing a Queen catalog' or 'this is karaoke' type comments, which interestingly more recently have become 'he sings too technically perfect' comments. So, Nate was ok because he was more rock and roll - imperfect. Well i haven't seen any homophobic rants by Queen fans which would be truly bizarre. Ok I've seen one but it's from a "fan" that even the hardcore fans of Queen think is freakin' nuts, annoying, and nothing more than a troll so I can't in good faith count him/her. If there are any I'm embarrassed for them to be honest. We AI - Well rock fans in general are always going to hate AI because it is the antithesis of rock and roll. Rock and roll is dangerous, random, uncontrolled. AI is exactly NOT R&R. Programmed, About fame instead of art, it's safe. Something coming out of that cannot possible be R&R (in their eyes). JT coming from Disney? I don't think many Queen fans would be happy if JT fronted Queen either. This I disagree with to a point. Adam is very skilled. But I don't think anyone perceives him as a threat per se. Nate was probably a bit more accepted (although I think you overestimate Nate's acceptance -- I've seen quite a few Who the fuck is that?) on a few levels for a few reasons: a. fun. has been more of a rock outfit at least in their eyes. b. This was definitely kind of a one time festival type thing and in no way any hint of further collaboration. c. fun fans/Adam fans are quite a bit different in their fandom. I do think the...vehemence...of some Glamberts have caused a bit of the friction in a way. I don't mean to cause friction myself! I'm here aren't I? And this place is quite a bit more sane BUT I guess if you look at it from another angle: Let's say Adam becomes a legend and then passes young for some reason. They do a big Adam tribute and this young bloke from a Radio contest gets picked to do an Adam tribute and all of a sudden this person's fans came here and said " OH Joe Blow is SOOOO dreamy and awesome! He really takes Adam's songs and makes them his own! Don't get me wrong, Adam was great but man I tear up at Joe Blow's version of Better Than I Know Myself and I dance my ass off to Joe Blow's Trespassing! Joe really made Trespassing his song! He really owned it!" I'm betting that a few people in the Glamily might have issues with it...and I'm betting there's a sizable portion of people who would not be too accepting of Joe Blow! PLEASE note that I'm NOT one that gets upset over Adam gushing...I certainly wouldn't be here if I did  TO me it's each their own. SO I'm not trying to be inciting, accusatory or anything else. Merely trying to explain a viewpoint I guess... |
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I personally would rather it be Brian and Roger of Queen with Adam BUT I don't get all up in arms when it's not. 
TO me it's each their own. SO I'm not trying to be inciting, accusatory or anything else. Merely trying to explain a viewpoint I guess...