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Post by Q3 on Sept 25, 2013 18:50:06 GMT -5
Of course mys*&@^#r is right! There is no way in hell if Nile wanted a demo singer he would couldn't have made a call and found someone else to sing (and didn't he do just that with Prince's back up girls?)There is no way in hell Adam would come over, with a hang over, in the middle of the night, to sing a demo. In fact I think there is no way in hell Adam would get mixed up in the demo business ever again. I think the reason Nile made Adam rush over is to get it done quickly in order to blow Tim's socks off before a demo singer was brought in. And there is no way in hell Adam sang his face off like that for a demo. That is not what demos are. I think Nile is the fairygodfather and Adam aint no fool and while Nile masterminded it, together they pulled a big one. Win. Win. Win. My love for Nile just exploded! There is a big big big difference to being a singer and co-writer on a demo track vs. being a session singer hired to record demos of a songwriter's material so it can be pitched to other artists. All artists cut demos. That does not make them session artists. At the time Adam did that recording (and now), Adam had no label contract. He had the chance to sing/co-write with Nile on a track that Nile and Avicii composed. Aside from the fact that he was in bed with a hangover and it was 10PM at night, why wouldn't he leap at the chance to work on the demo? Nile could not have been certain it would be on the album when it was recorded. Avicii would first have to decided to include it on his submitted album and then Island (his label) would need to agree to include it on his album. And we know there was a second Avicii + Nile track that did not make the album. Unless Adam, Nile and Avicii are making stuff up [and I really doubt that], Nile and Avicii were in the studio and finished a scheduled recording session for a different track. They had some extra time and composed LMD with a bit of the lyrics. Avicii left to catch a plane -- Nile said he would finish the track and get his guy [Adam] to sing the vocal -- Avicii leaves. Nile gets King (Prince's back up singers) to sing the vocals for the unfinished demo recording which are the distorted back-up vocals on the track. Then he called up Adam at 10:00PM and asked him to come down to record/work on a track. Adam got on the treadmill, hydrated, and then arrived at the studio at midnight, wrote some additional lyrics, sang the track in one take, nailed it [duh!] and Nile sent the recording with Adam singing lead, King on back-up, to Avicii who heard it the next morning. Avicii finished the production and LMD was the last track added to the album. I do not see how in this scenario there was any time for an agreement to be done until after the track was recorded. And it certainly was a demo -- albeit an Adam Lambert demo, meaning the vocal was perfect. *** While I agree that Nile masterminded this, it still was a demo/on spec until accepted from what we know. And Nile and Adam are way too savvy to have not known it was subject to label acceptance. I also think that Nile knew how good that hook was when he called Adam. *** This is how the business works very often. Songwriters and producers create and then sell what they created all the time. This has nothing to do with how big a star an artist is. Only the very top producers and songwriters get a pre-composition and/or pre-production guarantee that a track will be on an album or be released as a single. Usually you can spot these tracks because they are by major producers and songwriters, and usually are the album tracks and singles that suck. [My bet is that Linda Perry had a guarantee that her track would make FYE -- hence "A Loaded Smile" is on the album -- and the far superior "Voodoo" did not fit. Sometimes it works out and you get a track like WWFM or IIHY, but often it is a mediocre or leftover work associated with a major name -- FYE, BTIKM, NCOE]. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 18:52:03 GMT -5
I don't think anyone was ever questioning if Adam was a true artist. We probably ALL agree that is a big "YES!" The question was does Adam need to learn to play some chords on a guitar to be a better song writer. To that I vehemently say, " No!"
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Post by Jablea on Sept 25, 2013 18:57:12 GMT -5
I might expand on this later but looking at Q3's first page yesterday and the link to his Idol audition with BoRap and comparing it to last Friday's BoRap is a revelation. Adam was pretty darn good back in his Idol days, so good that many called him too experienced and a ringer but by the Adam of 2013 that old Adam was a rank amateur. Adam will always be exploring the new, expanding his skills, even possibly improving his voice (hard task but he's proved it possible before), and so to say that he could improve his song writing skills is not a diss, but an affirmation that he will continue to get better and better. He's been an arranger the longest, a lyricist a little less long, and we are not sure what involvement he's had as an instrument composer. I would doubt that he'll pick up an instrument and add that to his skills although I bet he probably has a decent piano knowledge that nobody has told us about. I think he's more likely to go Avicii's route and do something with a mixing board or computer.
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Q3, Nile did get another track on Avicii's album, it's called Shame on Me. Maybe it was done at an earlier session and they had so much fun they came out and wrote LMD and another after that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 18:58:01 GMT -5
Question, Q3. Doesn't Avicii have his own label and Island/UMG merely is the distributor in the US? Trying ti figure out the wording on the liner notes  |
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Post by scotia on Sept 25, 2013 19:22:32 GMT -5
A little OT at the moment.... I never read the comments under articles/reviews. But noticed that all 10+ comments under the 9/21 Jason Lipshutz review of IHeart in The Hollywood Reporter were from Keith Urban fans complaining that the review had left him out. I guess all fandoms get upset when their artist is 'slighted' in their opinion. I've never left a comment but it seems Adam fans aren't the only ones to point out 'injustices'  |
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Post by Daenerys on Sept 25, 2013 19:32:33 GMT -5
Of course mys*&@^#r is right! There is no way in hell if Nile wanted a demo singer he would couldn't have made a call and found someone else to sing (and didn't he do just that with Prince's back up girls?)There is no way in hell Adam would come over, with a hang over, in the middle of the night, to sing a demo. In fact I think there is no way in hell Adam would get mixed up in the demo business ever again. I think the reason Nile made Adam rush over is to get it done quickly in order to blow Tim's socks off before a demo singer was brought in. And there is no way in hell Adam sang his face off like that for a demo. That is not what demos are. I think Nile is the fairygodfather and Adam aint no fool and while Nile masterminded it, together they pulled a big one. Win. Win. Win. My love for Nile just exploded! At the time Adam did that recording (and now), Adam had no label contract. He had the chance to sing/co-write with Nile on a track that Nile and Avicii composed. Aside from the fact that he was in bed with a hangover and it was 10PM at night, why wouldn't he leap at the chance to work on the demo? Nile could not have been certain it would be on the album when it was recorded. Avicii would first have to decided to include it on his submitted album and then Island (his label) would need to agree to include it on his album. And we know there was a second Avicii + Nile track that did not make the album. Unless Adam, Nile and Avicii are making stuff up [and I really doubt that], Nile and Avicii were in the studio and finished a scheduled recording session for a different track. They had some extra time and composed LMD with a bit of the lyrics. Avicii left to catch a plane -- Nile said he would finish the track and get his guy [Adam] to sing the vocal -- Avicii leaves. Nile gets King (Prince's back up singers) to sing the vocals for the unfinished demo recording which are the distorted back-up vocals on the track. Then he called up Adam at 10:00PM and asked him to come down to record/work on a track. Adam got on the treadmill, hydrated, and then arrived at the studio at midnight, wrote some additional lyrics, sang the track in one take, nailed it [duh!] and Nile sent the recording with Adam singing lead, King on back-up, to Avicii who heard it the next morning. Avicii finished the production and LMD was the last track added to the album. I do not see how in this scenario there was any time for an agreement to be done until after the track was recorded. And it certainly was a demo -- albeit an Adam Lambert demo, meaning the vocal was perfect. *** While I agree that Nile masterminded this, it still was a demo/on spec until accepted from what we know. And Nile and Adam are way too savvy to have not known it was subject to label acceptance. I also think that Nile knew how good that hook was when he called Adam. *** This is how the business works very often. Songwriters and producers create and then sell what they created all the time. This has nothing to do with how big a star an artist is. Only the very top producers and songwriters get a pre-composition and/or pre-production guarantee that a track will be on an album or be released as a single. Usually you can spot these tracks because they are by major producers and songwriters, and usually are the album tracks and singles that suck. [My bet is that Linda Perry had a guarantee that her track would make FYE -- hence "A Loaded Smile" is on the album -- and the far superior "Voodoo" did not fit. Sometimes it works out and you get a track like WWFM or IIHY, but often it is a mediocre or leftover work associated with a major name -- FYE, BTIKM, NCOE]. Excellent and accurate post. Adam doesn't need to play instrument to be considered an artist. That is just nonsense. He needs to continue to surround himself with great songwriters. Until Adam writes a song 100% by himself we really have no idea how great of a songwriter he is. For all we know he can just add a line or 2 and get credited as co-writer. So far for me I won't say his songs that he had co-written were awful but for some I haven't been all that impressed. I really dislike Trespassing and Cuckoo lyrics. I find them very pedestrian and silly. I'm more impress with his co-write in songs like Nirvana. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Sept 25, 2013 19:39:39 GMT -5
OMG! I can't!!! Adam becoming a bad guitar player so he can write "better" songs scares the hell out if me! I can't think of many thingsthat would totally stifle his creativity more than that! Most song writing teams have a lyricist and a composer . And since most composing is done with computers now, trust me, plucking a few chords on a guitar happens more and more rarely!! BTW, I think Adam is a great song writer! I do, too. The songs that he wrote on both of his albums stood out to me as smart and compelling and interesting, both musically and lyrically. my dh thinks he uses too many words; at least he has an opinion  |
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Post by Q3 on Sept 25, 2013 19:43:48 GMT -5
Adam actually said somewhere that he had gone down on, i.e. not just kissing, an older girl in a car when he was 14ish. That is separate from the more recent thing you are talking about. ETA: Ok may have been when he was 17, might not even have been in a car, but was in his teens and not as recent as pre-Sauli. I certainly remember all those interview revelations re youthful experiences.... Virginity with a woman...was a big shock. I await others who can find the interview re admitting he had sex with a woman. It was well after AI and well after he was in Asia for concerts....cannot remember when. Maybe he is geographically challenged with women like he is with geography... and he did not mean what he said....but it was a revelation discussed. Maybe I took things out of context...and I may eat my words, but for now I stick with that view. I specifically remember that I thought...well ...he tried it before Sauli became a "significant person in his life". He was very accurate in one interview about going down on a women when we was in high school -- I recall that she was older, maybe he was 17 and she was 19, and she was African American -- he said something about wanting to try it. My guess is the interview was in 2010. A reporter asked if he had gone all the way with a women. I think the interview was in California. I am sure someone has the link and I messed up the details. Frankly, I really did not really think about it too much. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Sept 25, 2013 19:50:44 GMT -5
I certainly remember all those interview revelations re youthful experiences.... Virginity with a woman...was a big shock. I await others who can find the interview re admitting he had sex with a woman. It was well after AI and well after he was in Asia for concerts....cannot remember when. Maybe he is geographically challenged with women like he is with geography... and he did not mean what he said....but it was a revelation discussed. Maybe I took things out of context...and I may eat my words, but for now I stick with that view. I specifically remember that I thought...well ...he tried it before Sauli became a "significant person in his life". He was very accurate in one interview about going down on a women when we was in high school -- I recall that she was older, maybe he was 17 and she was 19, and she was African American -- he said something about wanting to try it. My guess is the interview was in 2010. A reporter asked if he had gone all the way with a women. I think the interview was in California. I am sure someone has the link and I messed up the details. Frankly, I really did not really think about it too much. I think Andy Cohen asked him about it too -- something about whether or not he was "golden" |
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