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Post by adamme on Dec 6, 2013 18:34:46 GMT -5
Just to clarify (yet again, as this is a recurring misinterpretation of my opinion)  : I said that Adam is a better SINGER. I did NOT say "Adam is better" - this would make no sense at all. Freddie IS A LEGEND. He was amazing in so many ways as it's been pointed out countless times. But again, ADAM IS A BETTER SINGER in pretty much every category related to objective evaluation of singing. On purely subjective level - Adam's voice penetrates and holds me, Freddie's does not... It is the other way around for others. No reason to argue IMO. I agree there is no reason to argue, but there is a difference between an argument and a discussion. Some people agree but some people do not agree that "Adam is a better SINGER than Freddie". And certainly it is subjective -- not objective. Better is not a specific term -- it is a broad judgement and an opinion. ** That said, I will agree that Adam is a better SINGER than Taylor Swift. 
:-Xon Taylor Swift
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Post by melliemom on Dec 6, 2013 18:37:04 GMT -5
Stephen Moyer who played Captain Von Trapp is English. He uses an American accent when he performs in True Blood. I'm still trying to figure out why they decided to do it live for television. Is is cheaper to do it like that without any retakes and editing? Doing it live was certainly attention getting. I'm sure that's why. There used to be live t.v. dramas in the 1950s. And Menotti's Christmas favorite, Amahl and the Night Visitors, was a short opera performed live on t.v. Here is from Wikipedia: My mother studied opera and she loved Amahl and The Night Visitors, It was required watching in our house. |
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Post by melliemom on Dec 6, 2013 18:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by adamme on Dec 6, 2013 18:44:38 GMT -5
If you're gonna compare range I think it should be down to the melodic and creative use of range rather than just quantifying outright, plus anything past F2-D6 by Freddie is abysmal (though F2-D6 is still wider than A2-B5). His live whistle notes really are beautiful but like I said there are no good ones past D6. The more extreme "fanboys" out there like pitching things like voice cracks and croaky "just woke up" speaking (basically any noise he can create with his voice) which is quite laughable cause anyone can have a "5 octave range" if you do that  I do think he made better use of it than Adam just cause he pushed his low register more, used whistle register and did those big multi-octave choir parts. Adam started to explore in that style a bit more on Trespassing though which is exciting ITA -- but I was just trying to do the objective comparison that was put forward. Freddie used his whistle notes to expand the musical experience and they are beautiful. I do not think we know Adam's true range -- and am not sure once a singer has a usable 3+ octaves how much it adds to the performance and emotional experience. I am not a fan of treating singing like baseball (a game of statistics). I used to have a 3+ octave range, gone now, but I never had a very interesting voice -- so great for choir and back-up vocals, not so good as a front-woman for a band (although I did try it). Finally, Freddie smoked cigarettes and was a heavy smoker. There is a lot of difference between his voice in the 1970's vs. after he started to have vocal issues (1982) and when the smoking and his illness started to cause issues. Unfortunately, there is very little live footage of Freddie in the early 1970's.
Even the live footage of Freddie that are out there in YT, most of them don't have great audio and video and were 30year's old technology so they cannot really capture every little nuance of his voice.
I'm so loving this discussion.
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 18:50:37 GMT -5
I know! It's like watching a movie about ancient Rome and some of the people don't have British accents! Everyone knows that people in ancient Rome had British accents! LOL!  Think about this--it's altogether possible, in fact probable, that what we think of as British accents didn't even exist in Great Britain a few hundred years ago. Think of all the accents that have developed in America over the course of our nation's existence. Southern (several distinct Southern accents, in fact, depending on the region), Midwestern, Boston, Brooklyn, Minnesotan, New England ("Pepperidge Far-um"), and so many more. You can be pretty sure that all those accents didn't step off the Mayflower. Accents evolve, so it's highly likely that when we see a period piece featuring British actors, they really don't sound the same as their ancestors did at all. |
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Post by dontshakemytree on Dec 6, 2013 18:54:31 GMT -5
Happy said: Stephen Moyer who played Captain Von Trapp is English. He uses an American accent when he performs in True Blood. I'm still trying to figure out why they decided to do it live for television. Is is cheaper to do it like that without any retakes and editing? A live performance of a well loved musical was something challenging and unique for TV. I am sure the hope was that this uniqueness was going to be a big draw, and that hope paid off for the network it seems. While not a musical, I seem to recall the show "ER" doing a live episode, back when George Clooney was still on it. Don't remember any reason for doing so, other than publicity. It was talked about a lot. ![]() Perhaps someone here has a better memory! ![]() |
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Post by adamme on Dec 6, 2013 19:01:45 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with discussing. But there is a difference between writing "I think...." or "My preference is..." versus "Merely pointing out that Adam, by all objective criteria, is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, including Freddie." What objective criteria? Which performances? Do I compare Adam's most recent performance in Miami Beach to Freddie in Montreal 1981? I think we can all agree that is not a fair comparison. And the reverse (plucking a weak, poorly recorded Freddie performance vs. an HD video of Adam and Queen) is not fair either. I do not want to eliminate the emotional component. I do not want to be completely objective about art and performance. I also do not know how to be completely objective about Adam or Freddie. Love changes how we perceive things -- at least it does for me. Finally, while I agree that Adam is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, I do not agree with the last part of your statement "including Freddie." So we will just have to agree to disagree. I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good?
I'm interested to know how do you compare the objective criteria between Adam & Freddie? Have you seen Freddie live performances? Or that comparison just based on the YTs videos that are out there? If the comparison's based on YT videos of Freddie and Adam, there's 30years old gap of technology. Like Q3 said one's a weak poorly recorded Freddie's performance from the 80s and the other one's an HD videos.
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 19:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by midwifespal on Dec 6, 2013 19:18:54 GMT -5
Happy said: Stephen Moyer who played Captain Von Trapp is English. He uses an American accent when he performs in True Blood. I'm still trying to figure out why they decided to do it live for television. Is is cheaper to do it like that without any retakes and editing? A live performance of a well loved musical was something challenging and unique for TV. I am sure the hope was that this uniqueness was going to be a big draw, and that hope paid off for the network it seems. While not a musical, I seem to recall the show "ER" doing a live episode, back when George Clooney was still on it. Don't remember any reason for doing so, other than publicity. It was talked about a lot. ![]() Perhaps someone here has a better memory! ![]() I'm pretty sure you're right. I know 30 Rock did at least one live ep, too, that was pretty impressive, and remember, these regular shows that go live for one episode have to do it twice, again for the west coast feed. But my husband and I are just rewatching the West Wing on Netflix and today, funnily enough, and totally randomly, we watched season 7, episode 7, in which the democratic candidate Matt Santos (played by Jimmy Smits) and the republican candidate Arnold Vinick (played by Alan Alda) face off in a live debate, that was actually televised live (again, twice, because of the west coast schedule). I imagine it would have been a fairly tense tv experience watching it live. And since I've brought up my West Wing habit, , it gives me an opportunity to share another random coincidence I noticed this season, that I thought any other West Wing fans on the board would appreciate (I think Mika, if he were still around, would have gotten a kick out of it): Check out Matt Santos' campaign head quarters, supposedly in Texas:  Look familiar? :  ![]() Lambert/Santos for president :D |
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Post by smokeyvera on Dec 6, 2013 19:20:11 GMT -5
OT: JoeMyGod @joemygod 56m RUSSIA: Elton John Denounces Anti-Gay Laws From Stage Of Moscow Concert, Dedicates Show To Slain Gay Man: "You... bit.ly/1jv3HYa Wow. I realize that Elton is such a huge star that he is unlikely to be harrassed or arrested, but still that took balls. I wonder if the Russian government will ask Elton to leave or just wait until he does and then make a statement. Will be interesting to see what happens. But, in any event, major props to him for making such a strong statement in Moscow itself. The more likely scenario is that histrionics will be done after he leaves, as with what happened with Madonna. Elton will more than likely not be allowed to re-enter the country by having his visa denied. |
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I do think he made better use of it than Adam just cause he pushed his low register more, used whistle register and did those big multi-octave choir parts. Adam started to explore in that style a bit more on Trespassing though which is exciting 
