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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 19:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 19:21:28 GMT -5
I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good?
I'm interested to know how do you compare the objective criteria between Adam & Freddie? Have you seen Freddie live performances? Or that comparison just based on the YTs videos that are out there? If the comparison's based on YT videos of Freddie and Adam, there's 30years old gap of technology. Like Q3 said one's a weak poorly recorded Freddie's performance from the 80s and the other one's an HD videos.
If we're going to say that we can't compare the two singers because the technology has advanced, then the discussion ends here because there's no way we can provide comparable videos. I will just say that in the videos I've seen of Freddie, he lacks Adam's control over a note, and he lacks Adam's effortlessness in delivering a power note. Also, there is this: I can't vouch for its accuracy, but this was a chart that someone on Adam Without Pity made up showing the range of a bunch of singers, including several Idols. Adam's high range and low range have a few notes on Freddie's. I guess everyone is going to believe what they're going to believe. I think Adam is technically a better singer than Freddie. He's also a singer that I prefer to Freddie. But I don't deny that Freddie was a great singer. I just think that if Adam had come first, people would be saying, "This Freddie guy is good, but he's no Adam Lambert!"
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Post by cassie on Dec 6, 2013 19:27:19 GMT -5
I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good?
I'm interested to know how do you compare the objective criteria between Adam & Freddie? Have you seen Freddie live performances? Or that comparison just based on the YTs videos that are out there? If the comparison's based on YT videos of Freddie and Adam, there's 30years old gap of technology. Like Q3 said one's a weak poorly recorded Freddie's performance from the 80s and the other one's an HD videos.
You make a good point that technology has advanced greatly and we are gifted with archived performances of much greater quality than in the past. Having said that, the criteria here can be noted regardless of the video and audio quality of the recordings. Range is not altered by a recording. If the singer can hit a G5 in full voice, it will still be a G5 in full voice, even if the sound quality is crappy. The note doesn't change. The fact that it is full-voice, not head voice or falsetto, is still discernable. The listener may not be able to accurately judge the quality of the tone or timbre due to limited frequency response of a camera and a recording device, but she can determine the pitch. When someone talks about a singer's control, I think about their ability to make the notes sound consistent throughout their range, and throughout a musical phrase. The notes are equally strong or tender, sustained or clipped. The pitch doesn't wobble, notes are not flat or sharp, the singer does not run out of breath, but takes breaths where it makes interpretive, lyrical and musical sense. The singer does not have to strain for some notes while other notes are too brash or wimpy. The song does not rule what the singer does. The singer is able to produce an intentional and compelling interpretation, regardless of the difficulty of the tempo, range, and complexity of the melody and harmonies. The singer is consistently in charge. I think one can note this ability in videos of singers done as far back as the 1920s and 1930s. The singer's power may be a bit harder to determine with poor video and audio quality, but it still shows through. And the singer's versatility, meaning the ability to sing in a number of different styles, genres, tempos, and moods and sing them authentically can be noted regardless of whether the recording is in high def, or shot with an elementary 8 mm film camera. Where the high quality of today's videos has the greatest impact is on the clarity of the voice and the tone/timbre of the voice. Today's videos have a much broader and more balanced frequency response, so they can more completely capture the resonance and richness of a voice, or, conversely, the dullness and thin quality. Early videos of singers and musicians lack much in replicating a live experience, but we can still learn a lot about the performer by watching them.
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Post by haribert on Dec 6, 2013 19:31:46 GMT -5
Happy said: Stephen Moyer who played Captain Von Trapp is English. He uses an American accent when he performs in True Blood. I'm still trying to figure out why they decided to do it live for television. Is is cheaper to do it like that without any retakes and editing? A live performance of a well loved musical was something challenging and unique for TV. I am sure the hope was that this uniqueness was going to be a big draw, and that hope paid off for the network it seems. While not a musical, I seem to recall the show "ER" doing a live episode, back when George Clooney was still on it. Don't remember any reason for doing so, other than publicity. It was talked about a lot. Perhaps someone here has a better memory! I remember that episode! I also remember that a couple of years ago, "Grey's Anatomy" did an episode where they had one of their usual stories, but it was like musical theater in that the characters periodically sang instead of speaking their lines. I had no idea Patrick Dempsey and some of the actors were decent singers, but they did a good job.
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 19:32:22 GMT -5
Momtomany....I PM'd you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 19:35:49 GMT -5
nic42, LindaG23, I really appreciate your help, you have no idea how much I am grateful to you for it. LindaG23! you're right, thank you both I was not alone in this, I would be even more helpless and sad and it's not a pleasant feeling . .. Smiles do not appear, so I send you huge hugs, thank you again .. kay! huge hugs for you, sweetheart! .. as justgill she said .. beautifully explained ... I hope with all our support for Aleksandra, she will be fine and will come back to us quickly. Aleks! be strong, hold on! girl! we'll see you soo ..
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 20:08:28 GMT -5
While not a musical, I seem to recall the show "ER" doing a live episode, back when George Clooney was still on it. Don't remember any reason for doing so, other than publicity. It was talked about a lot. Perhaps someone here has a better memory! I remember that episode! I also remember that a couple of years ago, "Grey's Anatomy" did an episode where they had one of their usual stories, but it was like musical theater in that the characters periodically sang instead of speaking their lines. I had no idea Patrick Dempsey and some of the actors were decent singers, but they did a good job. Buffy the Vampire Slayer also had a musical episode. All the songs were written by Buffy creator Joss Whedon ("Husbands" fans know him as Brady's agent) and all the actors sang even if they weren't very good. The premise of the episode was that a demon (played by Broadway star Hinton Battle) was forcing people to sing and dance until they were incinerated from the energy of it. A lot of truths were revealed in song that the characters hadn't been able to face in their everyday lives. It was just delightful. I think Psych has a musical episode coming up too. I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 20:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by kryptoman68 on Dec 6, 2013 20:30:41 GMT -5
I remember that episode! I also remember that a couple of years ago, "Grey's Anatomy" did an episode where they had one of their usual stories, but it was like musical theater in that the characters periodically sang instead of speaking their lines. I had no idea Patrick Dempsey and some of the actors were decent singers, but they did a good job. Buffy the Vampire Slayer also had a musical episode. All the songs were written by Buffy creator Joss Whedon ("Husbands" fans know him as Brady's agent) and all the actors sang even if they weren't very good. The premise of the episode was that a demon (played by Broadway star Hinton Battle) was forcing people to sing and dance until they were incinerated from the energy of it. A lot of truths were revealed in song that the characters hadn't been able to face in their everyday lives. It was just delightful. I think Psych has a musical episode coming up too. I'm looking forward to it. You gotta be kidding me! I actually re-watched Season 6 Episode 7 of Buffy last night, since I had such a great memory of it from when I saw it over a decade ago. I discovered that Netflix now has the complete series (when I first got Netflix two years ago, they did not have them all). And then you mention it right the next day? Spooky! Of course, I had fond memories of the episode, and it still was fun to watch ("I've got a theory, it could be bunnies!"), but we have been spoiled by Glee and especially Adam, so the singing was actually pretty bad. But such great fun! www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wcLwtg98S-8
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Post by theosgma on Dec 6, 2013 20:45:27 GMT -5
Gelly @14gelly 2m Official video Mini interview, gdi he's gorgeous / Adam Lambert Live at Fontainebleau: youtu.be/nFrpsvf5rPU via FontainebleauMB/
Just watched this. LOL Butterknife, my virgin friend and I all on line. Never saw myself on an Adam vid before.
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