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Post by cassie on Mar 3, 2014 22:35:23 GMT -5
Can't hear any high Eb on an oo vowel or other sound. Not in the whole song. I hear a D5, one half step lower sung with an "oo" sound at ~1:56 amd 2:11. At ~2:26 he sings a high E5, one half step higher than the Eb, on the lyric "real thing" (or at least I think that is the lyric). And another E5 at 2:58 on the word "yeah." Why is that impressive? Is it hard? Well, ladies, sing along with Adam and see if you can hit those Ds and Es with a clear, full voice. I bet a majority of you have to really strain, and still may not hit them. For a guy to hit those notes in full voice (as opposed to using a light falsetto) is remarkable. Some metal rocker dudes can hit those notes, too, but generally it is metallic sounding, and more of a scream than a full note. (Glampoon, or balloon, correct me on that if I am wrong, as I am not into metal rockers). Are those notes unusual for Adam? Not in the slightest. They are both very much in his wheelhouse. The glory notes on WWTLF and Feeling Good are both D5s. That wonderful high note he climbs to in Fever live is an F#5, which is a step and a half ABOVE the Eb that the tweeter is raving about. As to singing it on an "oo", yeah, that is difficult, too. "Oo" and "EE" are harder to sing high than "AH" or "EH", which allow the singer to open their mouth much wider and relax the muscles when reaching for the stratospheric notes. Mucho gracias for the fab explain as always... yep he is amazing. And although song The Happening is blah I am still loving when he comes in and just fills out those cheesy lyrics with all sorts of lovely tone - for a few seconds the song comes to life and seems like he inspires Demi because after that she gets into her own wailing along much more in keeping with Barracuda than the 60s fluff they are singing. Then Chris comes back and just like that we are back to sweet and nice. I thought The Happening sounded dated and cheesy when it first came out. It is so much worse 40 or 50 years later. But, you are right, when Adam starts singing it sounds much more interesting and much fuller. Chris, on the other hand, sweet, nice and very feminine to my ear. |
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Post by Q3 on Mar 3, 2014 22:36:09 GMT -5
Grrr can't get the instagram to embed, but I have been thinking: Shoshanna says 5, 4, 3, ... And then Adam makes a two with his fingers I wonder what will happen after 'one' I think you got it. Shosh did 5, 4, 3... Adam did 2... After 1, we get blast off...it must be soon. |
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Post by Q3 on Mar 3, 2014 22:41:14 GMT -5
BTIKM (Ryan Teddar wrote this about 3 years before Adam recorded
Think you meant Claude Kelly here, Q3  And although I have been joking about mashed potatoes, I think Adam is just having a few days off in Paris. Some down time to kill before NYC and Stockholm was too cold to stay!  Oh, yea. Claude Kelly. ** Yes, he could just be killing time in Paris. Great place to visit and easy place for him to hang without being bothered by anyone. But, and perhaps this is mashed potatoes, the David Guetta schedule and Adam schedule match. I will continue to hope that they work together. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 22:44:01 GMT -5
So is Sauli in Helsinki? Other pics on his IG account suggest he may be? |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 3, 2014 22:49:26 GMT -5
"Malcolm @malc2392 2h @adamlambert Get the fuck out,man.Which guy sings a high E flat on an 'oo' vowel full-voiced like that (Barracuda) GET THE FUCK OUT YO. Bye." Dear Musical folks - I have no ear for notes, where is this in the song???? Edit - thanks Bridgy, I don't feel so alone now :-) Alright, I am not Cassie or Natglampoon, but I'll try my best. Adam sings a high E flat (or roundabout there) about a dozen or so times or so in that song. First time around :43, but that is not an 'oo' vowel. Its the word 'down' and I actually hear it even more as an E rather than E flat, but it does not really matter for this discussion. The first time he sings a long 'oo' sound, is at 1:58. And then, the word Barracuda itself contains that sound and and given that Adam annunciates clearly, you can hear the 'oo' sound every time. It just tends to be a shorter 'u' sound, rather than the long 'oo', like in booze. In principle E is for Adam a completely normal note, he sings it all the time, but it is outside the range that a classically trained tenor would climb up to. And so, if somebody is musically trained, they will notice that. And find it extraordinary, as this guy clearly does, here. And yes, it matters very much, what vowel you need to sing on such a high note. The 'oo' sound requires you to close your mouth, kind of as if you were trying to whistle. Well, if your only way to reach a high note is to belt it out (think Adam singing and having his tongue hanging out, while singing a high note), then obviously, you cannot do an 'oo' at the same time. Song-writers are well aware of such limitations for singers and will normally write lyrics that are 'singable'. For 99 % of all tenors, this combination of 'oo' and high E would not be reachable. But then the song was originally not sung by a man. The interesting part about all this discussion, is that most non-musically trained people, perceive all this rather differently. You probably hear notes more 'relative' to the person's voice, rather than based on absolute value. Only very few people have perfect hearing and can tell you: 'This was an E.' Adam's voice sits so unusually high, that when he sings an E, it sounds high, but not nearly as exceptional, as it really is. Because in the contexts of his voice, it still sounds 'normal'. That is why so many completely underestimate what Adam actually sings. They assume, if a singer strains, the note was high. Well, that is very deceptive. If you want to follow along, try to sing along with Adam (don't choose Barracuda for starters though, but rather WWFM or something like that), and get to know your own voice, and when it starts feeling high or out of range for you. As you get to know, where the jumps and boundaries in your own voice are, then you can always tell by humming along, how high Adam is actually singing (round-about, not exact - for most people). Also, once you have figured our where your own voice flips into head voice (if you can do that), then try that for a few times singing an open 'aa' sound, which is the easiest one, and then try to do the whole thing singing 'oo'. I bet you, your voice breaks and you start losing control. Well, Adam doesn't, which is what this guy is noting. . Here is a warm-up exercise video that you can also use to figure out your range. Hope that helps. ETA: ha, Cassie and my post crossed over....oh well, we are kind of saying something pretty similar |
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Post by evergreen on Mar 3, 2014 22:50:08 GMT -5
While we are waiting.... I LOVE this Zak Waters remix of Trespassing! ETA: What notes is he hitting here?!? |
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Post by shimoli710 on Mar 3, 2014 22:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Mar 3, 2014 22:57:04 GMT -5
"Malcolm @malc2392 2h @adamlambert Get the fuck out,man.Which guy sings a high E flat on an 'oo' vowel full-voiced like that (Barracuda) GET THE FUCK OUT YO. Bye." Dear Musical folks - I have no ear for notes, where is this in the song???? Edit - thanks Bridgy, I don't feel so alone now :-) Alright, I am not Cassie or Natglampoon, but I'll try my best. Adam sings a high E flat (or roundabout there) about a dozen or so times or so in that song. First time around :43, but that is not an 'oo' vowel. Its the word 'down' and I actually hear it even more as an E rather than E flat, but it does not really matter for this discussion. The first time he sings a long 'oo' sound, is at 1:58. And then, the word Barracuda itself contains that sound and and given that Adam annunciates clearly, you can hear the 'oo' sound every time. It just tends to be a shorter 'u' sound, rather than the long 'oo', like in booze. In principle E is for Adam a completely normal note, he sings it all the time, but it is outside the range that a classically trained tenor would climb up to. And so, if somebody is musically trained, they will notice that. And find it extraordinary, as this guy clearly does, here. And yes, it matters very much, what vowel you need to sing on such a high note. The 'oo' sound requires you to close your mouth, kind of as if you were trying to whistle. Well, if your only way to reach a high note is to belt it out (think Adam singing and having his tongue hanging out, while singing a high note), then obviously, you cannot do an 'oo' at the same time. Song-writers are well aware of such limitations for singers and will normally write lyrics that are 'singable'. For 99 % of all tenors, this combination of 'oo' and high E would not be reachable. But then the song was originally not sung by a man. The interesting part about all this discussion, is that most non-musically trained people, perceive all this rather differently. You probably hear notes more 'relative' to the person's voice, rather than based on absolute value. Only very few people have perfect hearing and can tell you: 'This was an E.' Adam's voice sits so unusually high, that when he sings an E, it sounds high, but not nearly as exceptional, as it really is. Because in the contexts of his voice, it still sounds 'normal'. That is why so many completely underestimate what Adam actually sings. They assume, if a singer strains, the note was high. Well, that is very deceptive. If you want to follow along, try to sing along with Adam (don't choose Barracuda for starters though, but rather WWFM or something like that), and get to know your own voice, and when it starts feeling high or out of range for you. As you get to know, where the jumps and boundaries in your own voice are, then you can always tell by humming along, how high Adam is actually singing (round-about, not exact - for most people). Also, once you have figured our where your own voice flips into head voice (if you can do that), then try that for a few times singing an open 'aa' sound, which is the easiest one, and then try to do the whole thing singing 'oo'. I bet you, your voice breaks and you start losing control. Well, Adam doesn't, which is what this guy is noting. . Here is a warm-up exercise video that you can also use to figure out your range. Hope that helps. ETA: ha, Cassie and my post crossed over....oh well, we are kind of saying something pretty similar Then we must both know what we are talking about, right? I like your explanation! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 23:04:17 GMT -5
So... We will always have Paris........ |
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 3, 2014 23:05:59 GMT -5
Hey I'm just thrilled to have people who know what they are talking about around to explain things to those of us who haven't got that wealth of knowledge to share. Seeing (while the package is nice) "the voice" is the thing that keeps us captivated it is great to gain some small measure of insight into what makes it tick :-) so THANKS!
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