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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 20:22:46 GMT -5
"He only works with an artist when he has a guarantee that 1. he gets a single, and 2. that single will be promoted, and 3. the single will have a big label behind it -- ie Sony or UMG global distribution. Not possible! Just not." Sorry not quoting Q3 correctly above but just curious, when WWFM was a Pink discard, was it ok because she had other Max Martin songs already that were singles and she didn't need that one? And RCA parked it until they could place it with someone else? So MM got WWFM and IIHY out, and would have with RCA, whether with Adam or not. It's a big step that this time they'll write for him and with him. If I recall, Pink had a real personal problem with the song because she wrote the lyrics about another guy she was with in the time span between her divorce and her remarriage to her ex-husband Carey. She didn't want the song on her album, because she and Carey were in the process of working things out (my timing could be off) and the song was a sore spot. So the reason for the discard wasn't that the song itself was bad. Just a really bad song for Pink at the time. Yes! 99% correct! They never completed the divorce though. Rumor was the other guy was Kid Rock! |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Mar 23, 2014 20:28:42 GMT -5
Just read the thread and here is my take on this IG. 1. The man who bootstrapped his GNT so that he did not risk his own money, who does paid appearance when he is touring and doing on-off concerts, who uses Instagram regularly because he has a deal with them, who had the best management, lawyers, accountants and financial advisers in the entertainment business is NOT spend $2 million of his own money to run a writing camp with Max Martin. Remember this is Adam, the man who reworked things from his closet for Lifeball. 2. I am 99.99999999999% sure that Adam is talking about taking risks, "Go for Broke" if not "Going Broke". It means "to wager everything". Money is not everything to Adam, his art, his music, his self is everything. 3. I disagree that if Adam does not have a bit Top 40 hit this time, he is done. He is only 32. Top 40 hits are allusive and hard to come by but often happen to older male artists. Sometimes people "Get Lucky", strike "Titanium" or see "BLurred Lines". But this album needs to sell and make an impact. 4. MAX MARTIN has never worked with an indie artist. There is NO chance he is working for weeks with an indie artist now. Max makes his money when a song gets massive radio airplay and gets lots of sales. A bit hit is literally worth millions of dollars to him. He only works with an artist when he has a guarantee that 1. he gets a single, and 2. that single will be promoted, and 3. the single will have a big label behind it -- ie Sony or UMG global distribution. Not possible! Just not. 5. If Adam was not signed, he would be working in LA and working with people who would work without upfront money. He is a smart business man. Max Martin does not do that. He gets a guarantee. Finally -- Max Martin is the most successful person in pop music. He is not always successful but he wrote 17 #1 hits for multiple artists. He is rich enough to do whatever he wants, to work with whoever he wants, and he wants to work with Adam. For the bit I know about Max Martin, it is not because he loves Adam, it is because 1. Adam must have someone powerful behind him and UMG, and 2. He believe Adam can be a superstar. **** And seriously guys, Adam goes and visits Sauli and we have them secretly back together. Forget it. They had coffee in LA too. And were at some of the same parties. They are friends. Q3, please eloborate on how Adam bootstrapped GNT. |
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Post by 3ku1 on Mar 23, 2014 20:38:02 GMT -5
If I recall, Pink had a real personal problem with the song because she wrote the lyrics about another guy she was with in the time span between her divorce and her remarriage to her ex-husband Carey. She didn't want the song on her album, because she and Carey were in the process of working things out (my timing could be off) and the song was a sore spot. So the reason for the discard wasn't that the song itself was bad. Just a really bad song for Pink at the time. Yes! 99% correct! They never completed the divorce though. Rumor was the other guy was Kid Rock! Pink has Wwfm on her greatest hits album. I recall she said she thought Adam killed it with Wwfm. |
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Post by bentley1530 on Mar 23, 2014 20:42:56 GMT -5
I always have trouble getting out of the quote box when I am using the Google Chrome browser on my laptop. Anyone know why? No problems when using Firefox but I prefer to use Chrome. Anyone know why? I occasionally have the same problem with IE as well. What I usually do is click on the "BBCode" tab, then manually put my cursor to the right of the "[ / quote ]" notation. I'll then type a word or two before clicking back to "Preview" tab and typing the rest of my message from there. Thanks for this tip. It worked perfectly. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 23, 2014 20:49:34 GMT -5
Yes! 99% correct! They never completed the divorce though. Rumor was the other guy was Kid Rock! Pink has Wwfm on her greatest hits album. I recall she said she thought Adam killed it with Wwfm. Yup. |
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Post by Q3 on Mar 23, 2014 20:54:24 GMT -5
Guarantee for radio play? Q3 I remember talking to you, you mentioned that when BTIKM was released, the stations did not warm up to it. Therefore, little play Maybe 'cause RCA no payola???? SOmeone said, play a song enough times, and it becomes a hit. This really never had a chance. What will be different this time if the radio again does not like MM single they have chosen??? Well sure Adam has always been polarazing when it comes to radio, so no guareentees their. But considering MM track record, Adam has more support from the people who contribute to radioplay. Lets be honest when it comes to Grammys, its susposed to be based on critical acclaim, but most of the winners the past five years are juggurnaut commercial artists, so a huge radio hit for Adam well suppport the album, he diddnt have that last era. First, just one thing -- I never use the term payola except to in a historic sense. And neither RCA or UMG would risk a direct pay scheme OR repeat the issues of their work through independent promoters from about 10-15 years ago. I typical use the expression promo support. Very different. BTIKM was RCA's attempt something different. The problem is that there was a massive disconnect. The promo idea -- Adam has a lot of digital power and a passionate fanbase. Release a single on December 20, 2011 during the holiday freeze. (That means when US radio does not make any radio playlist additions.) Let Adam's fans go crazy and generate buzz online. The big disconnect: > 1. There was a disconnect with RCA A&R and they wanted Adam to be reintroduced with a song like WWFM that would have mainstream appeal. The pick the least buzzworthy song on the planet -- BTIKM -- for Adam. A song that would not offend anyone. > 2. There was not performance video -- Adam's strong suit. Adam first performed "Better Than I Know Myself" on January 17, 2012 on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. In line with RCA's strategy, he appeared with minimal make-up while wearing a black suit and white shirt with no tie. He was not to be "scary". > 3. The music video premiered on February 3, 2012, after the song was DOA. The promo support issue: One of the big things that artists do to promote music to Top 40 stations is go visit them, and do local promotional performances. RCA funded two US radio tours. I am too lazy to look up when the first was in March 2012 when there was no single #2 picked, no album release date. That was the "listening" tour to meet with PDs and major DJs. RCA had no intent to listen to anyone. I am sure everyone but the fans knew that. *** Who says Adam is polarizing when it comes to radio? Adam may be polarizing when it comes to Idol fans, but I do not think that he is polarizing to radio execs. But radio execs need to deliver an audience and keep their audience happy. If you we an 18 year old girl do you really want to listen to BTIKM? *** "What will be different this time if the radio again does not like MM single they have chosen??" I think it is all about the music, so ask me when we can listen to some. Radio airplay is not a popularity contest. Do you really think that radio PDs like Robin Thicke? And Daft Punk did not do a radio tour or promo events. At the end of the day, it is about music the "right" people what to hear repeated. And the right people are women 15 to 29 and 18 - 49. *** There is a new Audi TV campaign and the music is an updated edit/remix of WRTC. Probably not a coincidence. And good for both Queen and Adam. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 23, 2014 21:00:36 GMT -5
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Max Martin definitely has his vision, and then gets his artists to adhere. The results are often impressive. However, this mashup in which Adam and Pink mesh so freaking perfectly is probably because MM decided *he* wanted the song to sound a certain way and ordered two great vocalists to walk in on a tightrope to match what was in his mind. That said, the lyrics were Pink's. But from what I remember from an interview, the execution was apparently pure Max Martin "do it my way'.
Nonetheless, the result was effective.
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Post by franki13 on Mar 23, 2014 21:01:35 GMT -5
Let's hope the new single get's added to Sean Parker’s Spotify playlist. That should help to generate some buzz.
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Post by Q3 on Mar 23, 2014 21:09:57 GMT -5
Q3, please eloborate on how Adam bootstrapped GNT. Bootstrapping is stretching resources--both financial and otherwise--as far as they can. So Adam got money from RCA for tour support, and added two RCA acts with some promo support to the tour. (I expect Orianthi had more money than Alison for tour support.) So in the beginning of the GNT the venues were small and included a few radio promotions plus casino shows and festivals with guarantees. The first big event, Toronto Molson Amphitheatre, was a radio promo. He did not hold the risk. As the tour went on, he accumulated funds, proved to promoters that the tour was a safe bet. He also had more money to work with. There were three buses in Wilkes-Barre -- the band, Alison and Alison's band shared a bus. The dancer and Adam shared a bus. Oranthi and her band had a bus. Plus there was an equipment truck. Along the way they added a really nice bus for Adam. The upgraded the band bus. They upgraded the equipment and added a bigger crew. I have no idea how much of this is Adam, how much is his team, but my impression is that he is a much sharper businessperson than he leads on. |
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Post by evergreen on Mar 23, 2014 21:13:48 GMT -5
[wryly] Max Martin definitely has his vision, and then gets his artists to adhere. The results are often impressive. However, this mashup in which Adam and Pink mesh so freaking perfectly is probably because MM decided *he* wanted the song to sound a certain way and ordered two great vocalists to walk in on a tightrope to match what was in his mind. That said, the lyrics were Pink's. But from what I remember from an interview, the execution was apparently pure Max Martin "do it my way'. Nonetheless, the result was effective. So unless MM and Adam's visions are very, very similar, Adam may have to be biting his tongue again in the matter of single selection. If it gets him the big hit(s) he wants so badly, it will be worth it if it gives him freedom in the long run..... Right?  |
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