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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 4:21:51 GMT -5
Okay, two bad "reviews". My general, pre-first-morning-coffee, still-half-asleep, disorganised thoughts:
1. I think comparisons with Freddie are, technically speaking, fair game, given the circumstances, although I find them pointless and ungentlemanly, to say the least. But, if the author ventures into such comparisons, I do expect them to be well-informed about both parties involved, impartial and correct. Otherwise, they are reduced to any given fansite (bad) posts and therefore not worthy to be called reviews at all. Considering the relative importance and relevance of QAL reviews at this moment to Adam, Brian, Roger and others involved, I find such writings disgraceful and offensive, not to me as Adam's fan, but to me as a human being. Writing reviews is a part of the curriculum in every educational system, so my disappointment is multi-levelled.
2. That is, in a nutshell, why I am here - not (just) because of Adam's voice and his other worldly talents and possessions, but also because to me, he symbolizes the constant struggle people have to undergo in life; not the expected struggles, the ones we are bound to meet, but the unjust ones, unreasonable hindrances put before us by other people for no reason, or for mindless reasons only. The way I percieve Adam's life and career, he's had a lot of that, too much of that actually, and it's the main source of my over-protective attitude towards him. And the way he handles them, the way he keeps accepting challenges in spite of that, knowing full well what they bring, is the main source of my admiration for him.
3. So, no, I will not cave to my basic instincts and wish he never accepted this job, although I am temped; in the same way I never wished he hadn't been a part of AI, regardless of the occasional negativism and unfairness, since both have been very good for him. What I am going to do is watch him succeed and triumph in spite of all the hindrances and struggles, and let his path continue to be a constant source of information and deep insight into human nature and life in general, I guess, for me. He keeps being a positive figure standing in stark contrast to certain aspects of negativity, helping me see more clearly what every human being should know without a doubt. "There are two kinds of people in this world: those who stand up and face the music, and those who run for cover. Cover is better." I run for the cover. Adam stands up and faces the music.
4. Finally, my main issue is that both "reviews" were posted on brianmay.com. Does that mean they agree with them? If so, such a shame.
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Post by 3ku1 on Jun 30, 2014 4:58:56 GMT -5
Okay, two bad "reviews". My general, pre-first-morning-coffee, still-half-asleep, disorganised thoughts: 1. I think comparisons with Freddie are, technically speaking, fair game, given the circumstances, although I find them pointless and ungentlemanly, to say the least. But, if the author ventures into such comparisons, I do expect them to be well-informed about both parties involved, impartial and correct. Otherwise, they are reduced to any given fansite (bad) posts and therefore not worthy to be called reviews at all. Considering the relative importance and relevance of QAL reviews at this moment to Adam, Brian, Roger and others involved, I find such writings disgraceful and offensive, not to me as Adam's fan, but to me as a human being. Writing reviews is a part of the curriculum in every educational system, so my disappointment is multi-levelled. 2. That is, in a nutshell, why I am here - not (just) because of Adam's voice and his other worldly talents and possessions, but also because to me, he symbolizes the constant struggle people have to undergo in life; not the expected struggles, the ones we are bound to meet, but the unjust ones, unreasonable hindrances put before us by other people for no reason, or for mindless reasons only. The way I percieve Adam's life and career, he's had a lot of that, too much of that actually, and it's the main source of my over-protective attitude towards him. And the way he handles them, the way he keeps accepting challenges in spite of that, knowing full well what they bring, is the main source of my admiration for him. 3. So, no, I will not cave to my basic instincts and wish he never accepted this job, although I am temped; in the same way I never wished he hadn't been a part of AI, regardless of the occasional negativism and unfairness, since both have been very good for him. What I am going to do is watch him succeed and triumph in spite of all the hindrances and struggles, and let his path continue to be a constant source of information and deep insight into human nature and life in general, I guess, for me. He keeps being a positive figure standing in stark contrast to certain aspects of negativity, helping me see more clearly what every human being should know without a doubt. "There are two kinds of people in this world: those who stand up and face the music, and those who run for cover. Cover is better." I run for the cover. Adam stands up and faces the music. 4. Finally, my main issue is that both "reviews" were posted on brianmay.com. Does that mean they agree with them? If so, such a shame. I think that is part of the problem why Adam faces so many struggles. Most artists in Adam's position have a story that is common, struggling for a few years get dropped by a few labels, get signed and hit big. Adams story is different, the struggle is their but it is not in the same form or capacity. He still has this form of reality stigma associated with his name, most journalists or "bloggers", just don't do their research, and define his story by Idol reject, or runner up, or not good enough to win that show, now he is with Queen. Obviousley if they bothered to do their research, they would realize, he moved to LA when he was 18, singing was his job, was involved in theatre and broadway, starred with Val Kilmer in a big Broadway Production, sang on a ship for a year, was in a rock band Motley Crue. Obviousley if he was picked up a label, and never went on Idol Queen woulden't be happening and he would just be another name out their. So as much as Idol being a stigma is holding him back, it is an important part of his story. I also like the quote "Overnight Star who took 20 years to get their". I don't think it is any slight on Adam that he is labeled as a idol contestent, it is just a misconception, and a reinforced stereotype that gets put on all aspiring singers. But getting discovered is kinda dieing art, unless you have a solid fanbase, a following, labels who are mostly full of middle aged exces are just not willing to take a shot with anyone really, you really need to push your self it is self promotion. I think part of the reason why Adams fans are so ravage and dedicated, because they know he needs to work to the inch of the bone for even a little bit of success, they also know that all the pop stars to are "Stars" give the people what they want, but probably arguably don't need work ethic, and just get things handed on a plate. It's a bit frustrating artists like Adam have to sing their heart out and barley get noticed, yet Stars like Rhianna get everything handed to them. I am sure they work hard, but its not like they need too. But the key thing to focus on is, their are alot of talented singers in LA, but unless you have a follwing or fanbase your not going to get anywhere, Adam needed Idol to be honest if he diddn't go on Idol and made the impact he made, he would probably right now be making a modest living, but not where he is now. He may not be at Gaga level, but he doesen't have to currently, right now he is staking his claim. As for Freddie, people are never going to fully accept change just the way it is, I refuse to waste energy on anything I like or don't like, it is frustrating when people cannot at least appreciate the talent that is so obvious. It may not be PC to say Adam has a better voice techniqely then Freddie, was it techniquely better in the 70's to say Freddie is better then Frank Sinatara lol or who ever he was compared to. I kinda feel haters or purists are just projecting their own hate and hangups onto Adam, shoulden't take it personally. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jun 30, 2014 8:05:37 GMT -5
You're right. Forget the bland comment. That reality show putdown was the worst. I believe you are mixing up two different reviews. Probably - didn't want to go back and read and was wondering when I typed it if I was confusing the two. Oh well. Caught. |
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Post by talon on Jun 30, 2014 8:07:14 GMT -5
(T alon, does Roger get much respect in the classic rock crowd as a drummer? I think he's amazing and also love that he sings, plays guitar and keyboards, writes songs and produces as well -- amazing guy. But when I googled lists of "best rock drummers," he wasn't on any of them -- seems weird.) I'm rambling. My point was that things have gone exponentially better for EVERYBODY on this tour -- band, promoters and audiences -- that I expected, and exceptionally better than Queen themselves experienced during their North American tours in the day. That, and any opportunity to actually experience these guys having so much fun and creating such great moments together, is worth celebrating. While I think he has gained traction, he's usually underrated and just outside top 10-20 lists. He's not usually brought up but if asked most have great things to say about him and he has a few devotees...unfortunately for Rog...when you read about Queen it's always about Freddie and sometimes Brian. So Rog gets less love which is unfortunate as I think he's just as important! |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jun 30, 2014 8:09:38 GMT -5
Not Talon, but Roger is respected as a rock drummer but usually not considered one of the elite (Top 10) rock drummers. John Bonham is usually #1. My guess is that Roger would fall around #30 if they did long lists of drummers. Brian May who I believe is underrated was ranked #26 on Rolling Stones Greatest 100 Guitarists. www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123/brian-may-20111122 (Angus Young is at #24 so the competition is stiff!) Thank you! Yes, saw Bonham everywhere, and Keith Moon, of course. Ginger Baker has an interesting take on both these guys but then he has an interesting take on most drummers. |
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Post by talon on Jun 30, 2014 8:09:52 GMT -5
Snippet taken from a January 2005 interview with John Deacon Today, as the rest of Queen prepare for the tour, Deacon lives with his family in their four-bedroom house in Putney, South-West London. His only comment on the idea of Queen reforming came when it was suggested that Robbie Williams might fill Mercury's shoes. 'I don't want to be nasty, but Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced and certainly not by him.' Just FYI it wasn't a 2005 interview where he said that. He was unknowingly speaking to a reporter at a function in 2001 when Queen and Robbie rerecorded WATC for a film. He was upset when he found out he was on record |
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Post by talon on Jun 30, 2014 8:11:53 GMT -5
Okay, two bad "reviews". My general, pre-first-morning-coffee, still-half-asleep, disorganised thoughts: 1. I think comparisons with Freddie are, technically speaking, fair game, given the circumstances, although I find them pointless and ungentlemanly, to say the least. But, if the author ventures into such comparisons, I do expect them to be well-informed about both parties involved, impartial and correct. Otherwise, they are reduced to any given fansite (bad) posts and therefore not worthy to be called reviews at all. Considering the relative importance and relevance of QAL reviews at this moment to Adam, Brian, Roger and others involved, I find such writings disgraceful and offensive, not to me as Adam's fan, but to me as a human being. Writing reviews is a part of the curriculum in every educational system, so my disappointment is multi-levelled. 2. That is, in a nutshell, why I am here - not (just) because of Adam's voice and his other worldly talents and possessions, but also because to me, he symbolizes the constant struggle people have to undergo in life; not the expected struggles, the ones we are bound to meet, but the unjust ones, unreasonable hindrances put before us by other people for no reason, or for mindless reasons only. The way I percieve Adam's life and career, he's had a lot of that, too much of that actually, and it's the main source of my over-protective attitude towards him. And the way he handles them, the way he keeps accepting challenges in spite of that, knowing full well what they bring, is the main source of my admiration for him. 3. So, no, I will not cave to my basic instincts and wish he never accepted this job, although I am temped; in the same way I never wished he hadn't been a part of AI, regardless of the occasional negativism and unfairness, since both have been very good for him. What I am going to do is watch him succeed and triumph in spite of all the hindrances and struggles, and let his path continue to be a constant source of information and deep insight into human nature and life in general, I guess, for me. He keeps being a positive figure standing in stark contrast to certain aspects of negativity, helping me see more clearly what every human being should know without a doubt. "There are two kinds of people in this world: those who stand up and face the music, and those who run for cover. Cover is better." I run for the cover. Adam stands up and faces the music. 4. Finally, my main issue is that both "reviews" were posted on brianmay.com. Does that mean they agree with them? If so, such a shame. No. Brian's webmistress posts anything that is professionally published about Queen. It doesnt mean they agree or disagree...and if you are asking about Brian, he really only deals with his soapbox. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jun 30, 2014 8:54:42 GMT -5
Okay, two bad "reviews". My general, pre-first-morning-coffee, still-half-asleep, disorganised thoughts: 1. I think comparisons with Freddie are, technically speaking, fair game, given the circumstances, although I find them pointless and ungentlemanly, to say the least. But, if the author ventures into such comparisons, I do expect them to be well-informed about both parties involved, impartial and correct. Otherwise, they are reduced to any given fansite (bad) posts and therefore not worthy to be called reviews at all. Considering the relative importance and relevance of QAL reviews at this moment to Adam, Brian, Roger and others involved, I find such writings disgraceful and offensive, not to me as Adam's fan, but to me as a human being. Writing reviews is a part of the curriculum in every educational system, so my disappointment is multi-levelled. 2. That is, in a nutshell, why I am here - not (just) because of Adam's voice and his other worldly talents and possessions, but also because to me, he symbolizes the constant struggle people have to undergo in life; not the expected struggles, the ones we are bound to meet, but the unjust ones, unreasonable hindrances put before us by other people for no reason, or for mindless reasons only. The way I percieve Adam's life and career, he's had a lot of that, too much of that actually, and it's the main source of my over-protective attitude towards him. And the way he handles them, the way he keeps accepting challenges in spite of that, knowing full well what they bring, is the main source of my admiration for him. 3. So, no, I will not cave to my basic instincts and wish he never accepted this job, although I am temped; in the same way I never wished he hadn't been a part of AI, regardless of the occasional negativism and unfairness, since both have been very good for him. What I am going to do is watch him succeed and triumph in spite of all the hindrances and struggles, and let his path continue to be a constant source of information and deep insight into human nature and life in general, I guess, for me. He keeps being a positive figure standing in stark contrast to certain aspects of negativity, helping me see more clearly what every human being should know without a doubt. "There are two kinds of people in this world: those who stand up and face the music, and those who run for cover. Cover is better." I run for the cover. Adam stands up and faces the music. 4. Finally, my main issue is that both "reviews" were posted on brianmay.com. Does that mean they agree with them? If so, such a shame. I think that is part of the problem why Adam faces so many struggles. Most artists in Adam's position have a story that is common, struggling for a few years get dropped by a few labels, get signed and hit big. Adams story is different, the struggle is their but it is not in the same form or capacity. He still has this form of reality stigma associated with his name, most journalists or "bloggers", just don't do their research, and define his story by Idol reject, or runner up, or not good enough to win that show, now he is with Queen. Obviousley if they bothered to do their research, they would realize, he moved to LA when he was 18, singing was his job, was involved in theatre and broadway, starred with Val Kilmer in a big Broadway Production, sang on a ship for a year, was in a rock band Motley Crue. Obviousley if he was picked up a label, and never went on Idol Queen woulden't be happening and he would just be another name out their. So as much as Idol being a stigma is holding him back, it is an important part of his story. I also like the quote "Overnight Star who took 20 years to get their". I don't think it is any slight on Adam that he is labeled as a idol contestent, it is just a misconception, and a reinforced stereotype that gets put on all aspiring singers. But getting discovered is kinda dieing art, unless you have a solid fanbase, a following, labels who are mostly full of middle aged exces are just not willing to take a shot with anyone really, you really need to push your self it is self promotion. I think part of the reason why Adams fans are so ravage and dedicated, because they know he needs to work to the inch of the bone for even a little bit of success, they also know that all the pop stars to are "Stars" give the people what they want, but probably arguably don't need work ethic, and just get things handed on a plate. It's a bit frustrating artists like Adam have to sing their heart out and barley get noticed, yet Stars like Rhianna get everything handed to them. I am sure they work hard, but its not like they need too. But the key thing to focus on is, their are alot of talented singers in LA, but unless you have a follwing or fanbase your not going to get anywhere, Adam needed Idol to be honest if he diddn't go on Idol and made the impact he made, he would probably right now be making a modest living, but not where he is now. He may not be at Gaga level, but he doesen't have to currently, right now he is staking his claim. As for Freddie, people are never going to fully accept change just the way it is, I refuse to waste energy on anything I like or don't like, it is frustrating when people cannot at least appreciate the talent that is so obvious. It may not be PC to say Adam has a better voice techniqely then Freddie, was it techniquely better in the 70's to say Freddie is better then Frank Sinatara lol or who ever he was compared to. I kinda feel haters or purists are just projecting their own hate and hangups onto Adam, shoulden't take it personally. I love this place. Thank you both for your insights. My head is bobbing up and down in agreement. It's nice to be understood and have others speak your mind. |
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Post by scorpio on Jun 30, 2014 12:02:17 GMT -5
I've been waiting for Love Kills! Finally! Wow! This is beautiful. At the end of the song Brian just shakes his head, to me, in wonderment for the amazing vocals and passion he just witnessed from Adam. And when Adam has everyone recognize Freddie there is a roar of appreciation for Freddie and, I believe, for the respect Adam always shows him. LAMBERTLUST @lambertlust 4m Powderpuffnails (HD) Queen + Adam Lambert - Love Kills - Vancouver Rogers Arena youtu.be/dZ0er30o5n0
I also believe Brian was shaking his head in amazement. Best version of the song I've heard so far. Just masterful! |
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