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Post by talon on Jul 7, 2014 20:01:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some get up in arms....and the if you don't like it go somewhere else bit. It's personal preference that's all. I'm not saying Adam should or shouldn't do something. I'm simply stating the reason I'm not as big a fan of his styling on some of th rockier numbers. I'm not saying he's awful. I'm not saying he.s even bad. I actually like his delivery on 90% of what I've seen....I merely as trying to explain the other side because people were asking what was meant. I would never presume to tell Adam how to sing.
It's like lemonade, some like it sweeter while some like it more tart...but either way lemonade goes down very nice on a hot summer day.....
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Post by bridgeymah on Jul 7, 2014 20:12:01 GMT -5
It's the whole damned if he does damned if he doesn't thing. Sing too much like Freddie and he's being a copycat = bad. Add a few runs here and there on songs and he's not respecting the legacy = bad. It's called interpretation. And ok, fair copy if some might not care for the choices made, but there have been very few things ever that the statement "because it has always been done that way" is a valid reason to continue doing so. Ok just as well I'm not online much today. #grumpy # itsthevoiceaufaultOT - I've been meaning to tell you, bridgeymah, that although I've only watched the first two seasons of The Voice AU, your tweets have me laughing my butt off. Will keep following your succinct recaps and save myself a lot of time! LOL thanks. Have to admit some of it is stuff my husband says - he has me in stitches throughout the show. Have to admit that when that Frank dude started "we are the champions last night weak and wobbly then was totally flat on first big note I actually screamed "noooo make it stop" and had to hit mute. And THEN judges gave him props snd ovations... Took all my control not to tweet Vegas (or really any) vids out in defense of the song! |
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Post by pisceslady on Jul 7, 2014 20:14:58 GMT -5
I see...can;t argue with the "angry voice" idea.... still "lost" bears a different meaning to me... anyhooo... I am going to pick on all of you, folks, who keep talking about WATC riffs.  Soooo, explain to me please how would YOU like to finish the concert? No culmination? No climax? No glory ending? No FIREWORKS? How can you take the song out of the concert context and talk about it as if it is a stand alone song? : To me the whole build up with the "we are the champions off" repeated several times with increasing degree of embellishment  and volume IS THE WORTHY END TO THE SPECTACULAR SHOW! I can't even imagine any better way. I used to think that I did not like the end riffs of WATC judging solely from videos, but they absolutely work live and help band reach the culmination of the encore! I will never ever forget how Roger inserted his power-fire drumming in between Adam's final riffs in my Calgary show! Spectacular finale and the best ending so far IMO! I agree...before I went to the live show I wasn't liking all the riffs on WATC...but hearing it live was so sooo different..I wanted to him to go on and on...I guess I just didnt want the ahow to end! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -5
Many people on my twitter feed said Vegas #2 "blew the first night away". They haven't explained why and I don't see much difference in the videos. Both nights looked fantastic! Maybe it's just that the more you see it the more you love it?  If myspenser is here maybe she can explain because I'm curious. hmmm....because the LAST one is ALWAYS "THE BEST EVEAH!!!" isn't it?  My answer is because it seemed a lot of members had better seats the second night! It would probably seem better to them. Maybe? I had the same seat both nights and IMO, they were either the same or night one was slightly better! ??? |
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Post by rihannsu on Jul 7, 2014 20:18:22 GMT -5
The whole false equivalency of grit somehow being the sign of "authenticity" is BULLSHIT. Most of the time that "grit" is because the singer was chain smoking, the "dirty" voice and slurred words was because they were drunk or high, etc. Yes they had "Authenticity" but not because they had gritty voices, they WERE authentic. Most of those singers also destroyed their voices during their careers as well. Steven Tyler has had how many surgeries now? Meatloaf says himself he went out on tour and blew his voice out almost immediately trying to sing those songs off of "Bat Out of Hell".
Someone tried to tell me once that Bonnie Tyler was "authentic" because of that grit in her voice. I had to tell them that the grit in her voice was because of surgery for throat cancer. Bob Dylan wasn't authentic because he had a crappy voice, he was authentic because he spoke truth to power. He is an incredible song writer and storyteller but he is the first one to say his voice is crap and his guitar playing sucks and he is mystified as to why people actually like his singing.
The whole "authenticity" mantra is crap anyway. I think it was Oscar Wilde who said, "Give a man a mask and he'll tell you the truth". Rock and Roll is about liberation and rebellion so it mystifies me that so many "rock fans" buy in to all these "rules" for what rock is supposed to be. It's like with punk which was originally about DIY and breaking all the rules and became more about dressing a certain way or going through the motions of "stickin it to the establishment".
It's funny how all these things start with the real rebels and non-conformists and then become just another set of rules complete with "uniforms" that everyone tries to conform to in order to fit in. Adam is more "rock and roll" than most of them because he does own thing his way rather than trying to conform to some set of expectations being set by the fan police.
Trent Reznor had a convo with Bono once about his hesitation to pursue the direction he really wanted to go creatively because he knew it would be greeted with cries of "sellout". Bono's response was that not doing what you truly want creatively is the sellout.
There are U2 fans who want Bono to sing the way he did in the Joshua Tree era even after they KNOW that the way he sounded at that time was because the way he was singing was literally tearing his throat up. Even knowing that, they still want him to sound like that because it was "authentic". That's not only stupid but cruel. How many singers are out there ruining their voices to get that so called authentic sounding rock voice? It makes me want to tear my hair out.
ETA: Sorry this has been building for a while and I just needed to get it off my chest.
ETA2: And Talon this is NOT directed at you at all as you give real reasoned explanations of what appeals to you and what doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 20:18:54 GMT -5
talon -- Here are some other thoughts I shared with Queen fans after the first Saturday night Vegas show. I think you'll understand: "Strangely though, the most memorable part of the set to me was Roger doing Days of Our Lives, really touching, made me feel how much Queen has meant to me through the years. Also Brian & the guys doing '39 felt really good. I also didn't expect how much Freddie's parts would affect me. Made me long for him to come out & take over the show! Adam was good, but the ideal would have been to see/hear Freddie do the songs he personally wrote or put the original stamp on." After that show, I was just struck by how much I love Freddie and how big an effect he has had on my life. I felt rather wistful and sad in a way after the show, missing him. I felt I was able to enjoy the Sunday night show more, in that I was able to experience it on its own merits, and it felt like a great tribute to Freddie that Adam is carrying his torch forward.
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Post by adamrocks on Jul 7, 2014 20:21:50 GMT -5
Should Adam have a more gritty rock sound?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
Protect that beautiful voice Adam!!
If people want gritty they can go listen to someone else! I love Adam. I, and others, just seem to be saying that some of the Queen songs would be more effective if he tweaked aspects of how he delivers them. I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Another thing I would like is for Adam to get more raunchy & overtly sexual with some of these songs (in the true spirit of a rock frontman). We've seen him be that way in some of his own concerts, but he seems to be keeping things "family friendly" for the most part. But again, that's just me... Maybe others don't see it that way. I wanted to add that the guys around me at the two Vegas shows all gave Adam their approval: standing ovations after certain songs, telling me that he was great. Two crazy guys were devil-signing, waving lighters, and head-banging their props to Adam  I really never thought of Freddie as being overtly sexual on stage at concerts and he's known as one of the best rock front men ever. I'm not talking about his music videos but just the concert performances. Talon maybe you can shed some light on that for us. I loved how Freddie commanded the stage but I just never saw him as 'raunchy and overtly sexual' on stage. I have never really thought of Freddie as very sexy. I think Adam just oozes 'sexy' on stage. It's just a part of who he is as a performer. I don't think Adam needs to pour on the 'raunchy' to do the Queen songs justice. His sexiness just natural comes out. Of course....this is just my opinion. |
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Post by talon on Jul 7, 2014 20:26:25 GMT -5
R - again for me it's not about wanting an artist to sound a way or wanting them to damage his voice. But I can't lie and say I don't prefer Freddie's rock voice on those tracks. No big deal though . I'm still happily attending 3 shows  S - yes I understand completely:) I'm extremely happy that Adam was chosen and he really is a great choice for the full range of Queen songs and I know I will certainly appreciate him in concert. But my fav parts of the night will most likely be the middle section which is more geared to B & R with Freddie tributes. AND of course it has 2 of the songs most strongly I. Adams wheelhouse in love kills and WWTLF . |
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Post by haribert on Jul 7, 2014 20:27:36 GMT -5
The whole false equivalency of grit somehow being the sign of "authenticity" is BULLSHIT. Most of the time that "grit" is because the singer was chain smoking, the "dirty" voice and slurred words was because they were drunk or high, etc. Yes they had "Authenticity" but not because they had gritty voices, they WERE authentic. Most of those singers also destroyed their voices during their careers as well. Steven Tyler has had how many surgeries now? Meatloaf says himself he went out on tour and blew his voice out almost immediately trying to sing those songs off of "Bat Out of Hell". Someone tried to tell me once that Bonnie Tyler was "authentic" because of that grit in her voice. I had to tell them that the grit in her voice was because of surgery for throat cancer. Bob Dylan wasn't authentic because he had a crappy voice, he was authentic because he spoke truth to power. He is an incredible song writer and storyteller but he is the first one to say his voice is crap and his guitar playing sucks and he is mystified as to why people actually like his singing. The whole "authenticity" mantra is crap anyway. I think it was Oscar Wilde who said, "Give a man a mask and he'll tell you the truth". Rock and Roll is about liberation and rebellion so it mystifies me that so many "rock fans" buy in to all these "rules" for what rock is supposed to be. It's like with punk which was originally about DIY and breaking all the rules and became more about dressing a certain way or going through the motions of "stickin it to the establishment". It's funny how all these things start with the real rebels and non-conformists and then become just another set of rules complete with "uniforms" that everyone tries to conform to in order to fit in. Adam is more "rock and roll" than most of them because he does own thing his way rather than trying to conform to some set of expectations being set by the fan police. Trent Reznor had a convo with Bono once about his hesitation to pursue the direction he really wanted to go creatively because he knew it would be greeted with cries of "sellout". Bono's response was that not doing what you truly want creatively is the sellout. There are U2 fans who want Bono to sing the way he did in the Joshua Tree era even after they KNOW that the way he sounded at that time was because the way he was singing was literally tearing his throat up. Even knowing that, they still want him to sound like that because it was "authentic". That's not only stupid but cruel. How many singers are out there ruining their voices to get that so called authentic sounding rock voice? It makes me want to tear my hair out. THIS! |
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Post by talon on Jul 7, 2014 20:29:18 GMT -5
A Sorry S will have to expound....As a straight male I don't really find either Adam or Freddie sexy.....maybe Roger in the I Want To Break Free video |
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Soooo, explain to me please how would YOU like to finish the concert? 
