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Post by bridgeymah on Jul 13, 2014 16:15:24 GMT -5
Yeah, just to clarify - I didn't mean to imply I thought it was his breathing technique for singing. He never does it while singing - he does it in between, when he's moving about or posing. Part of it could be the 'rock star persona', but part of it (in my opinion, I could be wrong of course) is to do with maintaining his energy. His on-stage presence would not be what it is without his movement, and the amount of energy needed to make that happen is not your average singer standing in front of a mic, or even an opera singer. He does need a lot more air, but he also often masks it pretty well, by adopting those faces. I agree with you that Adam expends a great deal of energy during a performance. It is not so much from intense athletic physical exersion, but the energy it takes to sing correctly is not minimal, and I think establishing and maintaining that compelling stage presence requires some kind of psychic energy. When Angelina Kalahari (opera singer) saw him at an intimate press appearance in London in 2012, he sang five songs, four of them seated. Yet, when she hugged him afterwards she said he was WET, and she could feel the heat radiating off his body thru his suit jacket. She could also feel the dynamic psychic energy still projecting from him. Some minutes later she ran into him again getting into an elevator. At that time he was no longer "on", no longer glad-handing and interacting with the press and with fans. That intense energy was gone, and he looked tired. Very interesting to hear her talk about the interactions. Not a singer or performer in the traditional sense but I do quite a bit of presenting and working with groups on organisations. And it is kind of an on switch. Especially when you have to sustain it (full day sessions are brutal on your energy). For performers would imagine it to be a more intense focus and energy output. You are almost literally pushing your energy out into the audience and then pulling them back into the performance. My husband always expects me to be basically incommunicado the evening after an all day session. You learn tricks to preserve your energy in my situation but not sure they are possible with what Adam does. |
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Post by rihannsu on Jul 13, 2014 17:08:15 GMT -5
I totally agree that a big part of stage presence and mastery is this mastery of movement. Many people don't know that when they were teenagers Bono and Edge from U2 worked with a famous Dublin mime Max Flynn learning body movement and how to convey/control emotion to/of audience. It is definitely a theatre/performance skill and necessary for a band that is trying to play larger venues. Bono has spoken a lot about the difference in skill sets required to "play to the rafters" in these huge venues. A huge part of being a great arena/stadium front man is tied up in that ability to move in a way that can captivate an audience. Adam already has a great grounding in these skills and fronting Queen is giving him the opportunity to hone those skills which will make his own concerts even better. Just as the Idol tour even with such a short set gave him a great experience at arena sized venues.
Adam is also sensitive to the feel of the audience and Queen's call and response songs give him valuable experience in taking the temperature of the crowd and working with it. Bono talks about that sensitivity towards what the people are feeling and during a U2 tour you can pretty much predict what set list changes will happen because if Bono feels he looses the crowd during a song then it's out of there. I remember during one tour he actually sat at a keyboard onstage to perform "The Sweetest Thing" and the online fans were complaining that he only did that at one show. Later he mentioned in an interview that he only did it that once because he could literally feel the audience "going out for a beer" during the performance and he felt like he didn't get the crowd back after that song so no more sitting at the piano for him.
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Post by maya on Jul 14, 2014 0:07:27 GMT -5
Adam Lambert holds a note for 15 seconds - QAL Toronto 7/13/2014
Emma Glam
Cassie... is this similar to holding that note in Feeling Good?
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Post by cassie on Jul 14, 2014 0:17:23 GMT -5
Adam Lambert holds a note for 15 seconds - QAL Toronto 7/13/2014 Emma Glam Cassie... is this similar to holding that note in Feeling Good? Well, the note on Feeling Good was four steps higher. The whole phrase was 15 seconds long. We will have to see the video of the rest of the song, or at least the notes leading up to this one, to know how long his breath lasted here. CTMBTM is the longest phrase we have from Adam live: 20 seconds. Depending on where he took a breath before the note in STL tonight, this could rival that feat. Damned impressive! Well, not for a top tier opera singer, of course, but in pop and rock? Unheard of! |
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Post by maya on Jul 14, 2014 0:32:17 GMT -5
Adam Lambert holds a note for 15 seconds - QAL Toronto 7/13/2014 Well, the note on Feeling Good was four steps higher. The whole phrase was 15 seconds long. We will have to see the video of the rest of the song, or at least the notes leading up to this one, to know how long his breath lasted here. CTMBTM is the longest phrase we have from Adam live: 20 seconds. Depending on where he took a breath before the note in STL tonight, this could rival that feat. Damned impressive! Well, not for a top tier opera singer, of course, but in pop and rock? Unheard of! Here you go.. |
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Post by toramenor on Jul 14, 2014 14:02:52 GMT -5
cassie, did you see this video? (I saw it a while ago and forgot about it, until it popped up just now on my youtube recommended) I think it definitely belongs here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQes6PWFXs |
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Post by cassie on Jul 14, 2014 16:14:35 GMT -5
Thanks. I think the low end needs to be modified with Runnin, but, it is mostly accurate and interesting. Of course, I don't think range is everything, like many do. I don't think it is even the most important thing with Adam. But it sure impresses!!
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jul 16, 2014 9:03:50 GMT -5
RE: QAL TORONTO the STL when he holds that note for 15 sec and also holds the very high operatic note at the end....
He holds his head upright facing the ceiling.. Is this a technique to let the air flow longer???? or is just that he has practice holding these long notes. I remember back before AI, he sung the song "Crazy" at a local cafe venue and he also held his head (Mouth) so it facing the sky to the point, that it looked as though he was falling backwards.
Does this posture position enble him to sustain the notes longer and louder?
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Post by bridgeymah on Jul 20, 2014 3:00:39 GMT -5
Driving along today and Fat Bottomed Girls comes onto the classic rock station on my radio - don't usually listen to radio when driving but phone was flat so no other music available.
Anyway was interesting. I'm so "used" to hearing Adam sing it that the original sounded wrong somehow. Was trying to put my finger on it and eventually settled on the vocal feeling flat or dulled... Not off key just lacking the brightness I'm used to hearing in Adams voice when he sings it. Which got me thinking if that more than the so a called "grit" is what pushes Adam's voice away from a so called classic rock voice. That "sharpness" and intensity of tonal quality - the thing we call 3D.
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Post by toramenor on Jul 20, 2014 5:12:23 GMT -5
That "sharpness" and intensity of tonal quality - the thing we call 3D. #discuss The more I've gotten used to Adam's voice, the more I notice the difference with some other singers. Sometimes the difference doesn't bother me, but sometimes I just can't listen to those '2D' voices, I'm missing the 3rd dimension. I think Adam's base color is simply 3D. He doesn't need to add stuff to his voice to make it 3D. To use 'Titanium' duet as an example - Angie Miller starts singing her verse, and I'm thinking: she has a pretty voice, it sounds good, but it's not until Adam starts singing his verse that I feel her voice is missing something, it's missing fullness, roundness. His voice just glides through the notes and produces the kind of sound that envelops you like a velvet glove. It's definitely not what we call a rock voice. I think he adds things to his voice when he wants to make it sound 'rock'-ish, but even then he doesn't lose that base color - that velvet 3D fullness is still there beneath the added 'rock edge'. Most rock singers, however, don't have that 3D color as the base. Their base is the gritty harsh voice. And maybe some can add stuff to it, but I don't think they could ever get that 3D sound - probably because of the lack of training, I guess. I remember Meatloaf talking about how his producers wanted him to sing with more grit and gravel, while he wished he could sing in his Adam voice, which he doesn't have. He simply can't produce that sound--he didn't train his voice like Adam did. Anyway, that's just what I think and how I perceive it. |
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