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Post by Albiku on Mar 7, 2013 22:07:35 GMT -5
Frankly those high notes reminded me a little of James Durbin. Very piercing and brittle without fullness. Show without substance. And, yes, strain. As to singing with passion..... I agree with you. He seems highly emotional, but I don't get the intent of the song from his interpretation. It all has much the same intensity. There doesn't seem to be thought about the individual lyrics. I had attributed it to perhaps he was singing in a foreign language for him and doing it phonetically?Maybe, but somehow I don't think so. There's a French singer that comes to mind. His name was Gregory Lemarchal. He was the winner of one of the seasons of Star Academy (their Idol), and he sang this song on the show and on his live DVD. The vocals weren't as impressive (or maybe they were... after all, the boy had Cystic Fibrosis and it's a wonder he managed to sing like that at all) and his English accent was honestly horrible, but I remember thinking: "Wow, this kid's really feeling the words." Perhaps he felt the song so strongly because he knew he was bound to die young (he died in 2007 at the age of 23), so he could definitely relate to it. His show had to go on, despite his disease, despite the fact that he had to interrupt the shows to have chest physiotherapy done on him to clear his lungs from the thick secretions in order to be able to breathe, despite the fact that he knew singing could even shorten his life. What I mean with all this ramble is that singing in a foreign language shouldn't be an obstacle to being able to interpretate a song. My issue with the guy of the video is that I was watching his eyes and I felt that nothing was going on in there. Or that's the impression I had. But, again, I really enjoyed his performance. lol We're probably being too critical. It was pretty good.
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Post by butterknife on Mar 7, 2013 22:43:59 GMT -5
Frankly those high notes reminded me a little of James Durbin. Very piercing and brittle without fullness. Show without substance. And, yes, strain. As to singing with passion..... I agree with you. He seems highly emotional, but I don't get the intent of the song from his interpretation. It all has much the same intensity. There doesn't seem to be thought about the individual lyrics. I had attributed it to perhaps he was singing in a foreign language for him and doing it phonetically?Maybe, but somehow I don't think so. There's a French singer that comes to mind. His name was Gregory Lemarchal. He was the winner of one of the seasons of Star Academy (their Idol), and he sang this song on the show and on his live DVD. The vocals weren't as impressive (or maybe they were... after all, the boy had Cystic Fibrosis and it's a wonder he managed to sing like that at all) and his English accent was honestly horrible, but I remember thinking: "Wow, this kid's really feeling the words." Perhaps he felt the song so strongly because he knew he was bound to die young (he died in 2007 at the age of 23), so he could definitely relate to it. His show had to go on, despite his disease, despite the fact that he had to interrupt the shows to have chest physiotherapy done on him to clear his lungs from the thick secretions in order to be able to breathe, despite the fact that he knew singing could even shorten his life. What I mean with all this ramble is that singing in a foreign language shouldn't be an obstacle to being able to interpretate a song. My issue with the guy of the video is that I was watching his eyes and I felt that nothing was going on in there. Or that's the impression I had. But, again, I really enjoyed his performance. lol We're probably being too critical. It was pretty good. If you understood the words, singing in foreign language might not be an obstacle to interperate a song. But you might have the problem doing a good phrasing job. If you don't understand the words or only understand them partially, you will almost definitely have a problem interperating a song good. Your example is very moving.
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Post by Albiku on Mar 7, 2013 23:04:42 GMT -5
If you understood the words, singing in foreign language might not be an obstacle to interperate a song. But you might have the problem doing a good phrasing job. If you don't understand the words or only understand them partially, you will almost definitely have a problem interperating a song good. Your example is very moving. You're right, of course! Still, I feel that if you want to sing a song in a foreign language, it's a must to translate the lyrics and try to grasp the meaning of the words. If not, why sing it when you won't be able to deliver a good interpretation? You would fare better singing in your own language, right? And yes, the phrasing can be difficult if you're not fluent in the language of the song you're singing. But I thought that guy's phrasing was okay, and I also thought his accent was good. :-/ And yeah, Gregory's story is very moving. The disease he had is a tough one. :-[ I missed talking about performances and vocals with all of you guys. This thread is one of my favs on Atop.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 10:00:10 GMT -5
Ricardo Alfonso is a Portuguese singer/actor who plays the role of Galileo in the London WWRY cast.
The cast performed at The London Party during the Olympics.
During this incredible performance it seems like he holds a note from 4.57 forever but it is difficult to tell when he stops as the camera is not on him all the time. Does he sneak in a breath about 5.10?
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Post by cassie on Mar 10, 2013 11:17:50 GMT -5
Ricardo Alfonso is a Portuguese singer/actor who plays the role of Galileo in the London WWRY cast. The cast performed at The London Party during the Olympics. During this incredible performance it seems like he holds a note from 4.57 forever but it is difficult to tell when he stops as the camera is not him all the time. Does he sneak in a breath about 5.10? Very good performance. He hasa the right voice type to sing Queen, IMO. Lots of energy. Good technique and control. I have been spoiled by AFL, of course, and miss the depth of the resonance Adam produces when he sings this number, but, this guy acquits himself very well, indeed. Does he sneak in a breath? I cannot tell for certain either. There is a little drop out around 5:10, but with the cast and audience singing along, it is not clear. Doesn't really matter, tho. This is good. Even if he doesn't do a crazy assed riff up to an F5 at the end like another singer we know.
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Post by butterknife on Mar 10, 2013 14:59:29 GMT -5
Ricardo Alfonso is a Portuguese singer/actor who plays the role of Galileo in the London WWRY cast. The cast performed at The London Party during the Olympics. During this incredible performance it seems like he holds a note from 4.57 forever but it is difficult to tell when he stops as the camera is not him all the time. Does he sneak in a breath about 5.10? Very good performance. He hasa the right voice type to sing Queen, IMO. Lots of energy. Good technique and control. I have been spoiled by AFL, of course, and miss the depth of the resonance Adam produces when he sings this number, but, this guy acquits himself very well, indeed. Does he sneak in a breath? I cannot tell for certain either. There is a little drop out around 5:10, but with the cast and audience singing along, it is not clear. Doesn't really matter, tho. This is good. Even if he doesn't do a crazy assed riff up to an F5 at the end like another singer we know. Wow, this is indeed an very good performance of both songs. This guy must be a classically trained singer and a good one too. His breath support is very good. The last notes he holds for 20 seconds. Techniquewise he is pretty good. Funny thing is whenever he talks I had an illusion and thought that it was our BB... But, he is no better than our BB for sure. I like the grit AFL adds to his voice when he sings the two songs, esp the EMA one. And for some rock songs, gritty voice sounds yummy to me. This guy's high notes got power in them and sound good. But like Cassie said, Adam's voice has so much more resonance and power, and most importantly, they sound effortlessly and cool as sheet.
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Post by butterknife on Mar 10, 2013 16:35:21 GMT -5
Well, this is a household name. I brought his video here is because I've seen some people compare his vocals to Adam's. Of course they've got different types of voices. What's funny is that today whenever and whoever a male singer sings high, then most likely our BB's high notes will get to compared to his... #sigh...
I found he's pretty strong in mid range all the way to the low high. Some people think that his A4-D5 is stronger than Adam's. Their reasons are that MB's wilder and more powerful.
Personally, I don't really like this type of voice.
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 10, 2013 17:03:22 GMT -5
For vocal master class people there is a great article in the New Yorker about the doctor who operated on Adele when she had her vocal issues - but also fascinating information about how a singer sings and the interaction between physical and mental ... Is only available if you have a subscription right now but should be available in full soon: www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/03/04/130304fa_fact_colapinto
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Post by cassie on Mar 10, 2013 19:17:13 GMT -5
Well, this is a household name. I brought his video here is because I've seen some people compare his vocals to Adam's. Of course they've got different types of voices. What's funny is that today whenever and whoever a male singer sings high, then most likely our BB's high notes will get to compared to his... #sigh... I found he's pretty strong in mid range all the way to the low high. Some people think that his A4-D5 is stronger than Adam's. Their reasons are that MB's wilder and more powerful. Personally, I don't really like this type of voice. Ummm. Yeah. No. I don't get it. At. All. What are they supposed to have in common vocally? Very different sounding voices, produced very differently. Okay, they sing in similar ranges. They both sing with vibrato at times. And? So? Michael Bolton is typical of a specific pop sound. He sings from his chest with almost no head resonance. There is a lot of breath in his tone and very little ring. You can hear him "push" his voice thru much of the song. It is the opposite of "effortless" to me. One of the problems with this type of singing is that you can't do a lot with dynamic range from soft and tender to strong and forceful. If you back off the breath, nothing comes out. If you push it harder for more volume, it it's likely to crack. You also cannot sustain long notes and phrases, because it takes a lot of air to push out the sound. So, you can't get a lot of different colors to your voice. It ends up sounding "one note" to me. Some folks hear this type of voice and find it very emotional. I guess because it reminds them of singing thru a constricted throat when you are fighting back tears and emotions? Because they are expending such effort to sing to you? Because we associate the sound of a push or strain on the voice with the exersion of great power? To use an analogy, Bolton sounds like he is singing with his voice stuck in second gear, revving the engine to go faster than it was designed to do in that gear. Adam's voice is soooooo different. He rarely, if ever, pushes it where you hear it strain. Instead of pushing up to the notes, Adam floats on top of them. He focuses the sound into his head for that pure, ringing tone that can go from angelicly soft, to operatically powerful. He shifts gears so that the engine, instead of revving, hums. He somehow taps into the ring of his head resonance even when singing in his low chest register, which gives his voice that round, full, 3D sound. He maintains that resonance all the way up and down his range, moving from chest to mixed to head voice. We talk about Adam having a third lung because of how long he can sustain a note or phrase. Part of that is because, if you sing correctly, using your body's resonance and relaxing your throat, face, and chest and finding that "sweet" spot to float on top of the notes, it requires much less air. You are pushing or forcing nothing. Singing "correctly" may sound like I am making a value judgment about which style of singing is right or better. Perhaps it would sound more objective to say singing with classical techniques. These are techniques that have been refined over hundreds and hundreds of years to maximize the projection of the voice, the control, the ability to sing pianissimo to fortissimo, the ability to sing long, lyrical phrases, the ability to float your voice on top of an orchestra with no amplification and be heard in the rear of the second balcony, all the while causing no damage to the vocal cords. The more resonance a singer can create in his body, the more the sound can vibrate and resonate and bounce off the objects and walls of a concert hall, creating more layers of harmonics. Now, whether the listener LIKES that type of sound is a matter of personal preference and experience. I don't argue with anyone who says they like Bolton's voice more than Adam's. That it sounds "better" to them. Some people like coke better than a fine champagne. Some people prefer to watch hip hop rather than ballet. Some people would rather watch football than gymnastics. I prefer Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 12:58:59 GMT -5
Bolton is awesome
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