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Post by cassie on Mar 9, 2011 13:03:51 GMT -5
Hi guys. Haven't posted much lately, but I love reading the info from the music experts. I might not understand all of it, but the knowledge I do gain is very cool. I don't know if this is really a question, but since there was talk about rock wails and raspy voices....... I think I read on DDD that Robert Plant was high up on the list of best male singers. I can not understand why they would think that. I can't listen to Zepplin (except Stairway to Heaven) and I like a lot of other raspy rock wailers. When Adam first sang WLL on AI, both hubby (not a big fan) and I looked at each other and said "That's how it should be sung. Damn he's so much better than Plant". So what type of voice does this man have? He doesn't even really sound on pitch to me. His voice IS my definition of screaming - on every note. Also, is there anything special about his range? www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU-PoUwECjII think I love this song mainly for the lyrics and the way the song has a lot of different melodies (if that makes sense). Is "buying" in the first line on key? I remember wishing that Adam did this on AI, but it was brought to my attention that he couldn't do it justice in the short time frame they were allowed to do a song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=axhLruo9SqAAnd his recent collaborations with Alison Krauss IMO prove to me that he killed his voice. It's nice, but very average to me. He has refused to join a Led Zepplin reunion for a very long time. I think it's really because he can't do their songs justice anymore. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugxFcmZXDycWhat say the experts? The first one, WLL really has a narrow range. F4 to C5. A very gravelly, pushed voice with little natural resonance -- the epitome of the rough rock vocals so many favor. And, yes, I don't know whether he is bending the notes intentionally for the bluesy sound or if he is just flat on them, but I hear it repeatedly. The second song is pitched in a baritone range, E3 to E4. Nothing exceptional there. Country rock. Hmmm. Not what I associate with Zepp. The last Stairway to Heaven has nothing acrobatic in the vocals. Nothing really noteworthy at all. I have also read that he blew his voice out and can't do the acrobatics or power he used to. Those clips don't show anything that would put Plant in "rock god" status for me. But, many love the sound of his voice. |
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Post by cassie on Mar 10, 2011 1:09:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna be computer-less until after the weekend. How the hell am I gonna manage without my ATop fix? ??? ??? But, please, proceed without me. I'll catch up when I return.
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Post by aloha on Mar 10, 2011 1:55:57 GMT -5
I'm gonna be computer-less until after the weekend. How the hell am I gonna manage without my ATop fix? ??? ??? But, please, proceed without me. I'll catch up when I return. We'll miss you. This is now one of my favorite places to lurk. Add me to the classical lovers. I'm not technically informed but have always loved it and listened to it. |
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Post by gelly14 on Mar 10, 2011 7:27:45 GMT -5
Cassie I’m afraid to do this but I’ll give it a try. You talked with Linda about the mics that Pavarotti and Bon Jovi use. I’ll try to explain this. If I knew the brand and the type perhaps I could explain it more. From the shape of both mics I can only guess. I wish Kanadie was here to explain. The mic that Bon Jovi has looks like a Cardioid mic. A cardioid mic is a unidirectional mic and it is sensitive to sounds from only one direction. Cardioid mics are good for singing and voice speech since they are good at rejecting sounds from other directions. These mics are the ones that you have to be in front of the mic to sing, and all of the singers use this type in concerts, not in the studio. The studio is a whole different situation. Now the one that Pavarotti has looks like an omnidirectional mic. An omnidirectional mic allows you to move your head while singing and not holding the mic in your hands and still catches the voice. These mics are used also if you know above the classical orchestras and classical singers , they are high above their heads and still catch every sound of the orchestra or the singer. Omnidirectional microphones are considered to have the most pure sound, they add very little to the original sound. Pavarotti being a classical singer I can imagine why he wants an omnidirectional mic he probably wants to sound like as if he doesn’t have a mic, like he is singing at the theater without a mic, just his voice. Of course I might be wrong I’m not an expert I just work in a firm for 30 years that imports audio and visual equipment , high end audio systems, teleconference etc. My place on the firm has nothing to do with sales and technical specification but I love music and high end systems and over the years I tried to learn as much as I can.  AND I'M STILL AFRAID TO POST THIS BUT I WILL
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Post by Alison on Mar 10, 2011 8:12:43 GMT -5
Gelly, please don't ever hold your thoughts back, because that was really interesting. Your English is wonderful and you describe things very clearly. Thank you!
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Post by gelly14 on Mar 10, 2011 8:17:24 GMT -5
Awww thank you Alison!!!  I'm a shy kinda person....always afraid that i may post something that is wrong and drive people away from what is right. Usually i post only the things that i'm absolutely sure of how to explain them... |
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Post by nica575 on Mar 10, 2011 8:40:06 GMT -5
gelly, thank you so much for the insight into the mics! I had never even given a thought to the variety of mics (or any other sound production gear) before, and there is a whole science AND art around it! It is amazing how much knowledge we collectively have here, willing to share and to learn! cassie - have a great time with the family! aloha - great to know you are a classical music lover as well! I wish I had the time to run a classical music thread, but the way my RL is now - there is no way - Adam takes the precedence 
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Post by gelly14 on Mar 10, 2011 9:21:08 GMT -5
nica575 Thank you really. I wish i could join you but same situation here
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 11, 2011 16:22:31 GMT -5
Putting musicislife's post here b/c I don't want it to get lost!!! *delurks* *musical analysis ahead* *scroll unless you're a nerd *
Hi all! Been reading all of the comments about Adam's performance last night and I wanted to offer a slightly different impression from my musical snob/musician point of view. First off, I try to take my stan hat off when I listen to Adam so I can be objective (with varying degress of succes ). I hate critiquing him but the training kicks in & my brain automatically goes into assessment mode when I listen to something new. Also, a disclaimer: I am no Cassie. 
I thought the performance was wonderful! <3 I get where some of you are coming from about him being a bit flat in a couple places toward the beginning but I'm not sure that's actually the case. I admit to being a little puzzled on first listen, plus I was a freaking ball of nerves so I was watching with my hands half covering my eyes. LOL OH ME! His emotions were obviously playing a part in the delivery too - I think he was feeling everything from a touch of nerves at being on live TV to enormous pride & excitement at performing a song so close to his heart that he wrote for the first time, not only for the viewing audience but for his co-writers & friends, but also in front of one of his idols, Steven. But I rewound it like 50 gillion times and really listened to it, then I listened over headphones and it's clear that he was not flat.
We are used to hearing Adam do acoustic Aftermath a la the GNT arragement, which keeps him in the light, sweet head voice when he sings "wanna scream out" and "in the aftermath" at the beginning. Last night, he powered those phrases out and added a bit of rasp to them, as we all heard. More importantly, he changed the first "wanna scream out" around 1:00 minute in from its usual lighter, higher tone to being slightly belted out. But he was not flat; if you're used to the GNT version it may sound a little off simply because he didn't use the same tone to achieve the notes. Also, "just remember" at approx. 1:18 is slightly belted, which is in contrast to how he usually sings it in his lighter tone. In fact, he's not even trying to hit the higher notes and falling flat, he's going for decidedly lower notes. Which also makes it sound different.
Also, the acapella run was fucking fabulous - that's how you do it! I liked the quick transition right afterwards - he extended that run maybe a bit longer than he meant to but I love the way it turned out and how sweetly he ended the song. He had to trim the song down time-wise too, normally he doesn't have to jump right back into the next verse after he does that run but I thought he executed it beautifully.
Something else I noticed and wanted to comment on was Steven's reaction. I agree with those who said Steven may not have been all there last night. But watching it again, I really looked at his face & noticed after he finished clapping he almost seemed to be studying Adam. None of us are in his head so we can't know what he was thinking, but I don't think it was a slight to Adam. He may have been in awe & taking Adam's performance in, or willing the tightening in his pants to stop, or trying to figure out what color to buy his next pirate blouse in. Plus this was his first time hearing Adam live, so even if he didn't love the song, that's ok.
I thought the performance was magic. The music in the arragement was an unexpected treat and Adam's vocals did what they were meant to do - highlight the message of the song. In conclusion, Adam is a brilliant, beautiful man.
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Post by LindaG23 on Mar 11, 2011 22:25:50 GMT -5
Gelly, thank you so much for your reply about the microphones. Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I am not an opera aficionado but I would imagine that opera singers spend years upon years learning to project their voices out to occupy space and thus an omni-directional microphone would give the truest amplification of their voice. Whereas a pop-star would not have the skills and power and would be benefited by a more focussed microphone.
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