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Post by reihmer on Mar 12, 2011 4:52:35 GMT -5
Posted this in yesterday's thread but I guess it should belong here. A DDD techie's note checking on Aftermath,
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Post by gelly14 on Mar 12, 2011 5:22:27 GMT -5
LindaG23 thank you  I really appreciate you took the time to read my amateure post. Not an expert as i said just a music technology lover and music lover.
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Post by csharpminor on Mar 13, 2011 17:13:05 GMT -5
hallo everybody. About the aftermath remix tempo and the comments that it has a slow start and doesn't sound as "dance" as Kesha's "We R who we R", although they have the same tempo (about 130). I think it has to do with the accents of the beats. Difficult to explain in English, but I'll do my best. In aftermath Adam puts the accent on the whole meter and not on every beat. Instead of B B / B B / B B ... it is B b / B b / B b ... Like it is with a waltz. The beats are B B B / B B B / B B B ... but the first beat of every meter has more accent B b b / B b b / B b b... So the tempo sounds like 65 and not 130. That because of the lyrics (the accent of the words). B----------------b----------------B----------------b----------------B----------------b -----------------have you-------lost-----------------------------------------------your B----------------b----------------B----------------b----------------B----------------b way-----------------------------------------------------------------liv---------------ing B----------------b----------------B----------------b----------------B----------------b in---------------the--------------sha-------------dows-----------of--------------the B----------------b----------------B----------------b-----------------B---------------b mes------------ses--------------that------------you-------------make In Kesha's song the two beats of the meter have less difference in accent --B----------------B---------------B-------------B-------------B----------B------------B tonight we're------going-----------ha-------------ha------------ha---ha----ha--haha--hard Same thing with Adam's "Kiss and tell" B--------B--------B--------B--------B--------B so-------good---------I----kiss-----and------tell That is why we could't imagine aftermath as a dance song. But he could. |
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Post by chasingeden on Mar 13, 2011 17:51:03 GMT -5
@ c#minor... Nice one! If you don't listen to the words or replace them with some gibberish  , the beats and rhymth are rather uplifting. It's not a bad dance tune.. one-day-one-day-one-day-one-day-one-day...... |
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Post by musicgirl on Mar 16, 2011 17:04:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I should post this here, as it's not Adam-related, However, it does have to do with both vocal ability and conveying emotions through singing. Cassie, I was thinking about you today, as I was listening to some Croatian folk music, klapa and I thought you might like it- I remember you saying you like folk music, and also clear voices, so I wanted to introduce you to a part of my musical heritage, if you don't mind? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klapawww.fdk.hr/indexeng.html(To keep my post short as possible, I've included links that tell a bit more about klapa music.) I hope you ( and everyone who's interested!)will give it a listen, cause it's a good example of how you can really put yourself and your emotions into the music. The voices are pure and genuine and they all sing a cappella (mind you, these singers are all amateurs, maybe semi-professionals). The first two links are typical klapa song themes- about love ( Vilo moja-My fairy) and about Dalmatia (Dalmatia, weary of history). In the last link, Pismo ćali- A letter to Pa', the song is about a poor boy calling for his father to come home, as both him and his mother miss him a lot ( it's a song written about the old days when men had to emigrate to other countries for work in order to feed their families). By the end, the tenor is singing about his mother's overwhelming grief and their wish for his return even without the money, because they love him. The language barrier doesn't matter, I believe the meaning can be felt, if not understood:) I hope you all like it:) The tenors (especially the first tenor) are just phenomenal; incredible range, power and resonance, as well as excellent diction and technique, especially on the prolonged high notes. Apologies again if I shouldn't post this here. As it happens, I am feeling nostalgic about the summer today, and when I feel that way, I always listen to klape- that music always make me think of summer, sea, fish and wine:) I can't wait for my vacation to come, so I can go to my summer cottage down in Dalmatia  |
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Post by fiercelier on Mar 18, 2011 17:09:39 GMT -5
Today at 3:58pm, geezlouise wrote: I've been doing some more thinking about training and technique, Adam and his voice, and it's subsequent effect on me.
Though I know I am not as knowledgeable about classical vocal technique as some of you here, I certainly understand and hear the seamless register switching, effortless blending and unique phrasing that are a large part of what help Adam to stand apart from other pop or rock vocalists.
Does this enhance my enjoyment of his performances?
A thousand times, yes!
Do I believe that the tone and purity of his voice would have pulled me in without the years of technical training?
A thousand times yes again!
His voice often brings me to tears and propels me from this world. I often find myself lost in his vocals, unsure of the passage of time.
His is not the only voice that does this to me. The others range from having some technical training to none at all.
That being said, his is at the top of this list now, and may very well be decades from now.
I don’t know.
Is it his training that has elevated his voice to this level for me?
Again, I don’t know.
But, it doesn’t really matter.
I am in love (and in lust) with his voice.
Love and lust don’t need reasons to be. They just are.It is all out of my control.
But, at this stage of my life I have learned that I love for keeps.
Flings and frivolous affairs have long since ceased to thrill me.
I am on this ride for the long haul and don’t really care how I got on.
I want to marry this post. <3
I'm hardly an expert but I guess I'm one of those who are knowledgable in technique. But your words show that all the musical dissection of why Adam is such a skilled vocalist doesn't really matter (although it's fun). The point is, he has something so special and you can feel it in your soul when he sings.
Great post Geezlouise, and great comment with which I totally agree!
I started reading this thread last night and instead of doing work around the house, I've gotten lost here! Thank you Cassie especially and some of the other knowledgeable music fans who've shared their knowledge and impression and answered questions. I'm learning a lot! I don't really have much musical knowledge, played some recorder, and folk guitar in my younger years, and some piano as an adult, but didn't really have a natural aptitude for it and I guess not a passion to devote enough time to it along with other rl issues., but I think I have a relatively good ear.
It's been interesting to see the various examples people have posted and your explanations and examples to support those explanations, Cassie, have really been very illuminating. You really do such a great job explaining things in layman's terms! I recognize and totally appreciate Adam's vocal talent, but to me it is especially the tone, the richness, the clarity, the soaring, effortlessness that appeal. I'm usually more attracted to baritone voices than tenor, but all the things that Adam is capable of with his voice are just incredible. The accoustic Sleepwalker in Zurich gives me goosebumps every time.
Someone posted a clip from current AI contender Jacob, and while I appreciate that he is talented, I didn't even finish watching the clip as he does nothing for me. The R&B type voices don't really connect with me for some reason. I appreciate the talent of opera singers, but it also doesn't connect with me. Some voices just grab you, and others don't, so all the technique and talent which some singers have, still ultimately do not mean much, at least not to me. That is why stanning Adam is such a joy because he has AND the talent AND the technique AND the connection AND the emotion AND I feel him in my heart and soul. As someone else said, it really is an experience, and that experience has added so much to my life these last few years!
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Post by cassie on Mar 18, 2011 18:02:55 GMT -5
fiercelier said, "I recognize and totally appreciate Adam's vocal talent, but to me it is especially the tone, the richness, the clarity, the soaring, effortlessness that appeal."
I agree with you 1000%.
My only point in talking about technique and talent is to make sure that people don't assume that Adam just appeared on earth with that fully formed voice as a gift from the universe. Too often I hear people speak of "God-given talents" with almost a dismissive attitude, as if saying that if only God had graced them with the same natural ability, they could do the same. It diminishes Adam's contribution and hard work. All the qualities you and I appreciate in Adam's voice were dormant, but without all his efforts and dedication would not have emerged and flourished.
I realize I am preaching to the choir here. No one on Adamtopia discounts what Adam has done and is doing. But, I encounter that attitude in the media and when discussing Adam with some others. Funny, how a gifted athlete is not assumed to have been born with a .350 batting average in baseball or .559 field goal average in basketball. Virtuoso instrumentalists are not assumed to be so because they were born that way playing that instrument. Just singers. I guess cuz "everyone can sing."
Sigh. It's just my little soap box, folks. As long as someone appreciates THE VOICE, I guess it doesn't matter if they understand how much Adam has worked and sacrificed to achieve it. As long as they listen (and support him by buying what he produces).
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Post by Catzmadam on Mar 18, 2011 19:02:38 GMT -5
Hi all *waves* I rarely post in this thread, but I love to lurk and soak up all the knowledge that you all share as I know nothing whatsoever about the technicality of music, I just know what my 'ear' likes. Thank you all for sharing. I posted a vid on the main thread a short while ago of a Kiwi lass who has made it big internationally. Her name is Hayley Westenra and she sang the first vid live yesterday at the Christchurch commemorative service. The second one she also did live in Christchurch - but she was just 15 years old at the time and is now nearly 24. I hope you enjoy them |
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Post by cassie on Mar 18, 2011 20:29:42 GMT -5
Hi all *waves* I rarely post in this thread, but I love to lurk and soak up all the knowledge that you all share as I know nothing whatsoever about the technicality of music, I just know what my 'ear' likes. Thank you all for sharing. I posted a vid on the main thread a short while ago of a Kiwi lass who has made it big internationally. Her name is Hayley Westenra and she sang the first vid live yesterday at the Christchurch commemorative service. The second one she also did live in Christchurch - but she was just 15 years old at the time and is now nearly 24. I hope you enjoy them Yummy. I am in love with her voice. gonna look for it on iTunes or Amazon and add it to my iPod. That is precisely the type of soprano I love, love, love. and I can hear the similarities to Adam's voice in the light, clear, ringing, simple tones. Thanks for sharing. |
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Post by cassie on Mar 18, 2011 21:54:43 GMT -5
musicgirl: Thanks for posting those youtubes of your native folk music. There is something beautiful and moving about male voices together in a cappella harmony, isn't there? You find such groups in so many genres and cultures. Here in the US we used to have barbershop quartets who sang in those close harmonies with no accompaniment. Not many are still doing it, but male a cappella singing re-emerges every generation, it seems. There have been college male singing groups and fraternity singing groups from way back when, too. The boy bands of the '80s were another incarnation. Today we have the urban beat box style. I enjoy this example of male a cappella singing (from Sweden):
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, the beats and rhymth are rather uplifting. It's not a bad dance tune.. one-day-one-day-one-day-one-day-one-day......
