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Post by evergreen on Jun 29, 2015 16:06:05 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Speak-singing is what RS called it. That is just the strangest article ... the text is austerely factual and no opinion whatsoever is made to indicate how the reporter felt about the performance nor is any mention made of Adam, just the video. Odd. I found it odd, too. However, those commenting didn't hesitate, and one commented on the reporter's lack of opinion.
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Post by nic42 on Jun 29, 2015 16:17:55 GMT -5
[....] We want Adam treated with respect, we want him to feel free to take risks and be larger-than-life at times, we admire him for speaking freely and intelligently about the world, and I hope we can accord the same respect to other artists who have earned it, and who have faced similar kinds of prejudice.
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Post by ceecee on Jun 29, 2015 16:23:48 GMT -5
Voted, it is still important We could use a little help to ensure Adam gets the spin in the five o'clock hour. Fifth Harmony is moving up quickly.
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Post by AnnAdoresAdam on Jun 29, 2015 16:27:46 GMT -5
It's hilarious how Adam's fashion choices now keep following me round the net thanks to targeted ads. Makes me feel quite young and hip!
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Post by haribert on Jun 29, 2015 16:29:07 GMT -5
Hate to tell you this, adamme, but I claimed the nekkid Adam pic earlier this morning. I don't mind sharing, though...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:34:40 GMT -5
Hate to tell you this, adamme, but I claimed the nekkid Adam pic earlier this morning. I don't mind sharing, though... Well for whatever it is worth, one of you has light Adam and the opther dark Adam.
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Post by theosgma on Jun 29, 2015 16:37:13 GMT -5
Voted, it is still important We could use a little help to ensure Adam gets the spin in the five o'clock hour. Fifth Harmony is moving up quickly. Is it still relevant to vote or is it too late now? I voted earlier but have been away
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jun 29, 2015 16:38:56 GMT -5
Umm...Kanye deserves respect? I still remember when he jumped up on the stage and yanked the award away from Taylor Swift because he wanted Beyonce to have it instead of Taylor. Lost any respect I had for him then and there - and it wasn't much to begin with. I wouldn't care if he sang BR perfect start to finish - to me, he is still a super-inflated-ego jerk. And I think it's time someone dared to say that, as far as that performance at least, the emperor has no clothes. What a guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:39:02 GMT -5
SCROLL/UNPOPULAR OPINION/OT/TOO LONG ALERT: (also, if someone could toss me just a couch cushion or something it might come in handy, defense-wise ) I have been for a while now, years, actually, whenever Kanye West comes up on this board, in part because it's OT, in part because I'm not a real Kanye fan, mostly because I'm far too ignorant about his work in particular and rap music in general to talk intelligently about it. But now Adam himself has brought it up, fairly enough, and I've lost my always-shaky grip on my abstemiousness . Because, while I'm sure there are exceptions, my guess is most commenters on this board don't really know any more about Kanye than I do, but there sure is a lot of scorn for him here, and I don't get it. Whatever you might think of his personality (and I'd be more inclined to call it a persona), and however you might feel about rap music, it seems pretty clear that Kanye is fairly brilliant and innovative in his field, he's has massive critical acclaim, his album "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasay" scored a 94 on Metacritic, and he's a genuinely exciting musical artist. Q3 was just talking about the balance Adam must strike between taking risks and experimenting but also seeking popular mainstream success--Kayne is the #1 example of an artist who consistently does both. I remember a minor uproar on this board and on twitter when we were watching the stream from the latest Brit Awards and Kanye performed with this "angry mob" of people on stage with him. I didn't get the disdain for the performance. For me it was the performance of the night by far, and one of the best I've seen in a long while, and I didn't know the song before that. Given the political context (especially in the US), it struck me as a brave and boundry-pushing and frankly kind of deep performance, and visually and artistically enormously effective. Clearly Kanye's people agreed with me, because he made that live performance his official music video for the single, but to each his or her own, of course. Tastes vary. But Kanye regularly takes artistic risks like that, and he should be (and generally is) recognized for that, imo. He's also clearly a very smart man, who has spoken and written articulately and sophisticatedly about his experience of race in America, and about all levels of the artistic process, and he's often surprisingly funny and self-aware, if you actually listen. If you google some of his speeches at awards ceremonies, for example, you might be surprised. He has been hugely influential as a producer of other people's work as well as an artist in his own right. He's earned the right to be cocky, plus I love a cocky peformer . And as far as his brag about being the greatest living rock star, obviously that's typical Kanye bombast, but also, I can't think of a male act performing today who has greater claim to that distinction (using rock-star generically, of course), or another male performer who would create the same kind of buzz before an appearance. Adam, naturally, has every right to express whatever opinion he holds about anything, he's generally smart and considered in his opinions (in this case I rather feel it was an excuse to get the "Oye Vey Kanye" line out there, which is pretty funny, and deserves to be a meme). If anyone's earned a right to critique a Queen cover, he has, though I personally think he's had more gracious moments in his life--given his own particular prowess on this front, it's maybe a little too comfortable a spot from which to criticize, imo. And musically, of course, Kanye's "cover" of BR was a mess. For all I know, so was the rest of his Glasto spot--I haven't watched it but I've read some mixed reviews. B ut not all concert experiences are about musicality, and not all performances are about the singing. Kanye is a rapper, not a singer, and it's generally acknowledged that the only thing that allows him to experiment beyond rapping in his music is autotune, which he uses brilliantly and innovatively. Sometimes, a moment is more about the crowd (which was happily singing along to BR and cheering enthusiastically) than about the performer. And to me, watching the brief clip in that Kanye/Adam BR mashup posted above (which is all I've seen of Kanye's performance), there was something really new to me about Kanye's take, that revealed a song I've heard hundreds and hundreds of times in a new, and moving, and kind of heartbreaking light: to see an African American man singing those tragic opening lyrics, given current situation in America, and the poverty-race intersection, and the violence and the fear, and the awful gun situation in this country, and the poisonous political climate, and the giant immoral racist shit-storm (pardon me) that is our criminal justice system. I'm pretty sure those screen-caps posted yesterday of BBC close-captioners giving up and typing in scornful comments instead on Kanye's Glasto performance were photo-shopped--I hope they were (and thought they were funny)--because if they were real that would have been shockingly disrespectful, and those people should have been fired. I can't imagine they'd ever do it to a white artist. And I can't help feeling (though I know this will really bring on the stones! and I want to be clear I'm not talking about Adam here at all) that though he brings a lot on himself, a lot of the grief Kanye gets is inextricably wrapped up in systematic, and often subconscious, racial prejudice. We want Adam treated with respect, we want him to feel free to take risks and be larger-than-life at times, we admire him for speaking freely and intelligently about the world, and I hope we can accord the same respect to other artists who have earned it, and who have faced similar kinds of prejudice. OK, lol, sorry for the Kanye-rant. . Dunno quite where it came from because like I said I don't really know all that much about him. I'm done now, promise! I completely understand your point. I'm someone who believes that rap/hip-hop is an art form just like any other genre & there are a lot of EXTREMELY talented and brilliant rappers & musicians in both rap & hip-hop. (I tend to be a snob though, so, like other genres, I think most of the best stuff isn't on top 40 radio.) I think what most of us who are talking about how atrocious Kanye's BoRhap was, aren't critiquing Kanye's body of work. I admit, he does irritate me and his ego is definitely inflated beyond his talent (as he considers himself among the gods... not really an exagerration of his opinion there)... I ALSO have no problem saying he IS extremely talented. The problem everyone has is that he sang THAT song, in Queen Country, at a festival known for being rock-oriented, KNOWING the world was watching... yet he still sang it as if he'd heard it for the first time right before going on stage. He hardly even knew the lyrics. And, on top of that, he was unbelievably off key. This wasn't his "re-interpretation" of a classic. There was no creativity with the melody or anything. If he had done that, it could've been cool. No: he tried to perform it as it was originally composed... And the result came off like he didn't care about the song & just did it to get the crowd on his side, which would've been clever had he shown any emotional or artistic connection to the song. So, while I think your view of what the song could've meant through Kanye's voice (I bolded it ^) is very interesting and poignant, he still completely failed to deliver that message because no one is talking about anything other than how terrible it sounded. If he really wanted to preach that metaphor, he could've... I don't know... rehearsed the song a bit more so he didn't sound like had just heard it 10 minutes ago.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 29, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -5
midwifespal - good on you for braving the mighty force of the glamazons here, but sometimes a pomegranate is just a pomegranate. In the comments written here I did not perceive any racial prejudice, overt or obtuse, just a bunch of people who love song and what Kanye did to that song was terrible. Was there extra poignancy because Kanye is a black man 'singing' about a ruined life because of gun violence ... the thought crossed my mind, but he could have rapped Bohemian Rhapsody or taken any hint of tune out, so that his total lack of key went unnoticed and it would have been so much more effective. I would have applauded. Also, unfortunately, the last infamous guy to put a gun to someone's head and ruin his life and 8 others plus their families was a white guy in Charleston.
I have purchased Kanye's music and have liked some of it. I don't even mind his bombastic ego, but man, he fucked up that song whether he is black, white, or rainbow colored.
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