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Post by theosgma on Jul 6, 2015 14:24:49 GMT -5
Just read an article in print Entertainment Weekly(. July 3, issue with Scully and Mulder x-files on cover), called "Women Didn't Always Rule Pop," p.30-33. I read it at Dr's office, and I can't find it on the EW website. Ann Powers is quoted extensively throughout the article (and I say this because we know she knows about Adam). Not a single word about Adam. Not one. Sam Smith, check; Ed Sheeren, check;Justin Timberlake, check; Bruno Mars, check; Justin Bieber, check. Every boy band I have NEVER heard of, and Harry Styles, who I have heard of. This is a long, fairly well- researched (as far as I can tell) article, lamenting a "double-standard" where females just have to produce fashion and spectacle, while guys have to be "real" musicians." I bring this to our attention because it emphasizes the point that Adam is definitely in a relaunch mode, and what a feat it will be if he can make it as a pop star. I personally get so caught up here at Atop, I tend to think this is the "world view." It's my preferred world view, but, obviously Adam is not on everyone's radar. Not to be a Debbie Downer, just wanted to report in. Realism is good. Makes us happy that Adam is doing as well as he is on CHR
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Post by ljsmack on Jul 6, 2015 14:32:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Theosgma. I debated about posting. Glad you didn't kill the messenger. You are correct; it is a minor miracle that he is doing so well. Glad WBM seems to have the long view in mind.
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Post by nica575 on Jul 6, 2015 14:40:32 GMT -5
Thanks, Theosgma. I debated about posting. Glad you didn't kill the messenger. You are correct; it is a minor miracle that he is doing so well. Glad WBM seems to have the long view in mind. and that is why we have to keep supporting him! so keep streaming, voting, tweeting, etc... at least my hope of Adam breaking through and getting to the place he should be at is still alive! TY WB!
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Post by Q3 on Jul 6, 2015 14:48:37 GMT -5
Correctly named -- if only!!
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Post by Q3 on Jul 6, 2015 14:52:17 GMT -5
Just read an article in print Entertainment Weekly(. July 3, issue with Scully and Mulder x-files on cover), called "Women Didn't Always Rule Pop," p.30-33. I read it at Dr's office, and I can't find it on the EW website. Ann Powers is quoted extensively throughout the article (and I say this because we know she knows about Adam). Not a single word about Adam. Not one. Sam Smith, check; Ed Sheeren, check;Justin Timberlake, check; Bruno Mars, check; Justin Bieber, check. Every boy band I have NEVER heard of, and Harry Styles, who I have heard of. This is a long, fairly well- researched (as far as I can tell) article, lamenting a "double-standard" where females just have to produce fashion and spectacle, while guys have to be "real" musicians." I bring this to our attention because it emphasizes the point that Adam is definitely in a relaunch mode, and what a feat it will be if he can make it as a pop star. I personally get so caught up here at Atop, I tend to think this is the "world view." It's my preferred world view, but, obviously Adam is not on everyone's radar. Not to be a Debbie Downer, just wanted to report in. I wonder if the reason she did not mention Adam is because he muddies the issue. Not meaning that he is not a "real musician" but because he is known for music, fashion and spectacle. Just a thought.
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Post by pi on Jul 6, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jul 6, 2015 14:55:35 GMT -5
Love whole album, do not skip anything. Personal favorite: GT, TISI, EITH, The Light, Shame, These boys. My least favorites: Rumors, ...and dare I say it, unfortunately TOH....sorry
Best for radio, imo: TOH, ALN, EITN, The Light, in that order.
My struggle with TOH is that I want to love it, knowing its obvious future role and clearly its importance for Adam, but I am just struggeling, tbh. First it is too rich and baroque for me (kind of like the triple layer cake that you long for, but then find too rich to really enjoy), secondly the sound is not really fitting the whole topic in my mind, even though I realize that in Adam's mind it obviously is fitting just fine, and then the grown-ass man. It is not that he uses the word, I could not care less, it is rather that it seems to stick out like a sore thumb out from the rest of the song. So, I am just struggling to love this one, which does not mean I won't support it through its single days, but I just cannot get comfortable with it.
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Heavy Fire: I interpreted this the same way as one person did yesterday. It's the song for somebody who is sent out into the world to sell something, that he/she cannot truly stand behind, but is supposed to support for the greater cause. i.e. Adam having to sell NCOE for RCA, even though this song was forced upon his album first, was then made a single, and then he is the one who has to go out to radio stations, who are asking Adam, what the song means (well it means keep your eyes open and party, duh), when this is a hard sell. On top of it, he draws heavy fire not only from fans, but also from the media and we don't know, how often he was approached by somebody from radio, who was actually well meaning towards him, and pulled aside and told, if only he would have picked a different single, ....we don't see these things happening, but it would not surprise me, if they did.
Such situations are always difficult ones, I have seen them in the work place, where you are part of a team and have to weigh your support for the team decision against your own opinion.
It obviously exists in politics, i.e. when Colin Powell, who was against the Irak war, went to the UN to defend the Bush policy. etc. Could give tons of examples.
Everyone wants to be loyal to their own team, or feels obliged to do so, its natural, and until it gets to the point, where you formally make the break from the old team, there is a very unpleasant stretch of compromise and discomfort.
When Adam was approached to do the 80s cover album, I bet, it was not only a question of not liking the music, but also one of drawing 'heavy fire' for giving up on his career, which is how many would have interpreted that cover album. He would have drawn fire, and this is what imo the song is about.
I am so glad he was able to get out, and very glad for the lawyer he has, and back to Adam, the guts he had to face the uncertainty of his future, rather than do that album. When I heard he had to do a covers album, I thought he was stuck, but he found a way out, and that was brave, and probably putting artistic integrity before other concerns. A proud moment, among many others.
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Post by ljsmack on Jul 6, 2015 15:04:12 GMT -5
Just read an article in print Entertainment Weekly(. July 3, issue with Scully and Mulder x-files on cover), called "Women Didn't Always Rule Pop," p.30-33. I read it at Dr's office, and I can't find it on the EW website. Ann Powers is quoted extensively throughout the article (and I say this because we know she knows about Adam). Not a single word about Adam. Not one. Sam Smith, check; Ed Sheeren, check;Justin Timberlake, check; Bruno Mars, check; Justin Bieber, check. Every boy band I have NEVER heard of, and Harry Styles, who I have heard of. This is a long, fairly well- researched (as far as I can tell) article, lamenting a "double-standard" where females just have to produce fashion and spectacle, while guys have to be "real" musicians." I bring this to our attention because it emphasizes the point that Adam is definitely in a relaunch mode, and what a feat it will be if he can make it as a pop star. I personally get so caught up here at Atop, I tend to think this is the "world view." It's my preferred world view, but, obviously Adam is not on everyone's radar. Not to be a Debbie Downer, just wanted to report in. I wonder if the reason she did not mention Adam is because he muddies the issue. Not meaning that he is not a "real musician" but because he is known for music, fashion and spectacle. Just a thought. Could be, but the writer was someone named John Norris--he just quoted Ann Powers a lot. Don't have mag in front of me. I only took notes on my iPhone while at Dr. Thought I could find web link when I got home--no such luck.
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Post by theosgma on Jul 6, 2015 15:05:59 GMT -5
Love whole album, do not skip anything. Personal favorite: GT, TISI, EITH, The Light, Shame, These boys. My least favorites: Rumors, ...and dare I say it, unfortunately TOH....sorry Best for radio, imo: TOH, ALN, EITN, The Light, in that order. My struggle with TOH is that I want to love it, knowing its obvious future role and clearly its importance for Adam, but I am just struggeling, tbh. First it is too rich and baroque for me (kind of like the triple layer cake that you long for, but then find too rich to really enjoy), secondly the sound is not really fitting the whole topic in my mind, even though I realize that in Adam's mind it obviously is fitting just fine, and then the grown-ass man. It is not that he uses the word, I could not care less, it is rather that it seems to stick out like a sore thumb out from the rest of the song. So, I am just struggling to love this one, which does not mean I won't support it through its single days, but I just cannot get comfortable with it. ===================== Heavy Fire: I interpreted this the same way as one person did yesterday. It's the song for somebody who is sent out into the world to sell something, that he/she cannot truly stand behind, but is supposed to support for the greater cause. i.e. Adam having to sell NCOE for RCA, even though this song was forced upon his album first, was then made a single, and then he is the one who has to go out to radio stations, who are asking Adam, what the song means (well it means keep your eyes open and party, duh), when this is a hard sell. On top of it, he draws heavy fire not only from fans, but also from the media and we don't know, how often he was approached by somebody from radio, who was actually well meaning towards him, and pulled aside and told, if only he would have picked a different single, ....we don't see these things happening, but it would not surprise me, if they did. Such situations are always difficult ones, I have seen them in the work place, where you are part of a team and have to weigh your support for the team decision against your own opinion. It obviously exists in politics, i.e. when Colin Powell, who was against the Irak war, went to the UN to defend the Bush policy. etc. Could give tons of examples. Everyone wants to be loyal to their own team, or feels obliged to do so, its natural, and until it gets to the point, where you formally make the break from the old team, there is a very unpleasant stretch of compromise and discomfort. When Adam was approached to do the 80s cover album, I bet, it was not only a question of not liking the music, but also one of drawing 'heavy fire' for giving up on his career, which is how many would have interpreted that cover album. He would have drawn fire, and this is what imo the song is about. I am so glad he was able to get out, and very glad for the lawyer he has, and back to Adam, the guts he had to face the uncertainty of his future, rather than do that album. When I heard he had to do a covers album, I thought he was stuck, but he found a way out, and that was brave, and probably putting artistic integrity before other concerns. A proud moment, among many others. I am confused. He does not use "grown ass man" in TOH. He uses it in TISI
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Post by cheriemelissa on Jul 6, 2015 15:05:50 GMT -5
Just read an article in print Entertainment Weekly(. July 3, issue with Scully and Mulder x-files on cover), called "Women Didn't Always Rule Pop," p.30-33. I read it at Dr's office, and I can't find it on the EW website. Ann Powers is quoted extensively throughout the article (and I say this because we know she knows about Adam). Not a single word about Adam. Not one. Sam Smith, check; Ed Sheeren, check;Justin Timberlake, check; Bruno Mars, check; Justin Bieber, check. Every boy band I have NEVER heard of, and Harry Styles, who I have heard of. This is a long, fairly well- researched (as far as I can tell) article, lamenting a "double-standard" where females just have to produce fashion and spectacle, while guys have to be "real" musicians." I bring this to our attention because it emphasizes the point that Adam is definitely in a relaunch mode, and what a feat it will be if he can make it as a pop star. I personally get so caught up here at Atop, I tend to think this is the "world view." It's my preferred world view, but, obviously Adam is not on everyone's radar. Not to be a Debbie Downer, just wanted to report in. I wonder if the reason she did not mention Adam is because he muddies the issue. Not meaning that he is not a "real musician" but because he is known for music, fashion and spectacle. Just a thought. Yes Q, this and also he is known for singing ROCK!!!! Queen anyone?
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