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Post by FanOfTheMan on Aug 12, 2011 16:38:00 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for Shadow - and you. Our sweet-natured Chancey, a pit-bull terrier, suffered from a horrible skin condition for two years. Three vets, hundreds of dollars and several expensive prescriptions later, including cortizone pills and some meds that athletes take but I can't remember the name - which relieved his itching but put 20 lbs on him and made his breathing so labored - and nothing helped. We tried every treatment we could find, even old wives tales and suggestions from some old-timers we know, including bathing him with pure lye soap and trying every ointment we could find, cooking his food ourselves - everything natural. We read every book and every site we could find. He suffered so much with the itching - he would just scratch and cry and we felt so helpless. Finally he went to sleep one night and didn't wake up. We cried our eyes out but yet we were relieved that he wasn't suffering anymore. Not sure what he died from, but we think this disease/problem killed him. We just couldn't believe that three vets - one right out of school - couldn't help this sweet dog. No point to this story, I guess, except to say that we know what you are going through. Hoping for you - and Shadow - that you have found the cure. And now I am feeling emotional all over again about our sweet Chancey.
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 13, 2011 17:42:18 GMT -5
mys*&@^#r
who had a view of Adam's house? What is this picture ? I was on vacation and I missed something LOL ? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 10:08:39 GMT -5
I just read Shadow and Chancey's stories and wanted to share a cheap product that helped our dog's itch.
Trixie suffers from skin allergies that leaves her with bleeding paws and bald patches during the summer. Prednisone would help but has such undesirable side effects. Atopica only stopped the itching when she was on the maximum dose and it's astronomically expensive. I found a product called 'Yucca Intensive' from petmeds. It's a herbal anti inflammatory which also helps itching and it's made her summers bearable. She doesn't get bald spots anymore and very rarely itches until she bleeds and cries. It's worth a try if all else has failed.
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Post by sugaree on Aug 15, 2011 8:53:41 GMT -5
FanoftheMan, thanks for your story. I'm so so sorry you had a bad ending. I don't think Shadow's problems are that severe (thank the universe).
adamuse, thanks for the tip. I'll try it.
I had an experience at my vet that was not pleasant. Hubby and I went in and said "we would like to treat Shadow for canine yeast infection". She got indignant and asked why. I told her that I had researched many sites on the net. She got snippy and said "I don't believe what I read on the internet". She looked at the cysts and patches and said "well you know Shad has ALWAYS had skin issues". NO SHIT! She then said she would give us antibiotics. Poor dog has been on them every few months and they have never ever done anything. I told her that and she said "as a vet, I'm obligated to prescribe them". WTF! So the bitch was offended that I might have finally diagnosed the right problem. She said she would not give us an RX for an oral antifungal medication. Hubby asked if it would do any harm to try. She said no and okay we would try it. She then gave us an antifungal shampoo. So in 10 years, she never suggested this before? She then asked if we gave her antihystamines(sp). I said I'd tried benedryl, but it made her stupid and when she came out of it, would scratch and chew all over again. She gave us another type of antihystamine. side note - I gave it to Shadow on Friday and she got so stupid, she fell over and couldn't walk straight. As soon as she got normal, she was scratching again. So we again asked for the antifungal and she told me I had to wait a week to see if the antibiotics worked. THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK, BITCH! The shampoo does help and so far this morning she is not scratching. However, yesterday she made the spots bleed and she is getting more patches of it. I guess I have no choice but to wait until Wednesday to get the oral medication. Talk about treating the symptoms (ineffectively) and not the cause. When I pick up the meds, I'm asking for her medical records and finding a new vet. If it "won't hurt to try it" why the hell wouldn't she give it to me?
I have been putting an OTC antifungal cream to the spots and it helps for a little while. Then, like any dog, she will lick it off and we're back to square one. Thank the universe that she is otherwise happy and healthy. We have this blow up thing that we put around her neck (nicer and softer than those cone things). She gets pissed when she has it on, but at least she can't reach anything to scratch and chew.
Sorry for going on and on, but it's just very frustrating. I want her to get better, dammit. Worst case scenario is that the meds don't help, but I feel 99% sure that I have the right diagnosis after reading about it everywhere and seeing actual pictures of what it looks like.
Oh, and adamuse, it can't be allergies because she has the problem all year and in any area we visit (from Colorado to Mexico). Believe it or not, that's what the vet said - again - "well you know dogs get allergies during the spring and summer". I asked why she had this problem during her check up in January.
We just left there with our useless medication.
Oh, and I asked her what type of diet she recommends and she said she did not have a recommendation. How did this woman seem to totally change during this visit?
We gave away all of her food and treats to my friend and purchased all natural canned food and goodies since all of the sites said cheap food - especially those who contain grains and sugar - were part of the cause. It's expensive as hell, but my baby's worth it.
Wish me luck.
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Post by JazzRocks on Aug 15, 2011 10:00:15 GMT -5
sugaree - Get thee to another vet!!!
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Post by rihannsu on Aug 15, 2011 10:14:18 GMT -5
I just wanted to share this with any dog owners. My Shadow has had these symptoms for several years and no vet has been able to diagnose the problem. Skin leasions and sores, scaliness with a yellow tint, folicular cysts that bleed, scaly yellow stuff in her ears that I thought was excess ear wax, but it's yellowish and hard. She also has a nasty odor coming from her vagina. She can't stop scratching and licking which only makes it worse. I feel terrible that hubby and I have been yelling at her to stop chewing and scratching for so long. She has also been sleeping waaaaay to much. I guess when she is asleep the symptoms don't bother her. I even spent about $1000 last year at a dog dermatologist and she could not diagnose it. Shadow has a real bad case of it right now and no matter what I've done it won't go away. My vet prescribed a topical ointment (Animax) but it doesn't do shit. She also told me to apply hydrocortisone which only relieves the itching for a short period of time. And benedryl which only makes her drowsy. When she wakes up, the itching starts all over again. So I researched it on the net - again - and every single symptom says it is a yeast infection. A FUCKING YEAST INFECTION! I found a bunch of homeopathic treatments online (which I'm going to try), but I made an appointment with my vet for today because she will need prescription medicine to treat the cause. She has been a great vet, but I can't believe she or the specialist didn't diagnose this. Apparently it's very common in dogs - especially Schnauzers. Shadow has been suffering from this for so long, I can't wait to finally be able to do something about it. Again, just wanted to share in case anyone's dog has ever had these symptoms. I found the exact same info on about 10 sites so I know it's not internet bullshit. I printed the symptoms and am bringing it to my vet. I don't give a shit is doctors don't like patients to diagnose via the internet. Shadow and I have had enough! Go back through your veterinary records to see if they ever did a culture of the ear matter or of from the sores. If they did not and the yeast infection remedies do clear it up then I would scream bloody murder at them ESPECIALLY the dermatologist and try to get them to refund some of your money. As a groomer I am always appalled at how many times vets will go for the quick fix on these symptoms and never even suggest doing a culture. Same for recurring infections, if they don't culture to determine exactly what bacteria are present then they could be treating resistant strains of bacteria with the wrong antibiotic. Also if a dog has had repeated courses of antibiotics you will often have a yeast flare up due to the natural flora of the intestines being destroyed. Just like with people any antibiotic treatment should be pared with Lactobacillus acidophilus to replenish the intestinal tract and cut down on yeast growth. Unfortunately if you don't push your vet to discover the root cause of the problem many will simply treat the symptoms and never explore further. This is also true for people doctors as well. ETA: I personally raw feed my dogs and have for years. This is a decision that is very much on a case by case basis but I would recommend researching raw feeding. There was a wonderful Yahoo group called rawfeeding and if it is still around there are many on the group who have raw fed for many many years. I would never go back to processed food for my dogs but there are now many commercial raw foods available even though I think home done is the best.
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Post by sugaree on Aug 15, 2011 11:12:43 GMT -5
Jazz, I just want to get the oral antibiotics from this vet and then I'm switching.
rhiannasu, thanks for the advice. I know they've sent out samples of the patches on the skin, so maybe I'm crazy with my self diagnosis, but I want to try anyway. I don't remember anyone ever sending out the stuff in her ears though. They just say to clean them (which I always do of course), prescribe antibiotics and an ointment for her ears.
I've read about raw feeding. What I do (and have done with all my dogs) is cook chicken or beef and add that to the canned food. More real meat than canned food. Do you need to give yours any supplements with the raw diet? That's what I've always been concerned about - hence the processed food. But that probably didn't do anything because of all the crap in it. I am giving her the acidophilus stuff (bene-bac gel). Started that with the new diet. I read that I can give her plain yogurt so was going to get that when the bene-bac is empty. If you (or the new vet) tells me that won't work, I have no problem buying the bene-bac or anything else recommended.
I don't think I could switch to raw food because when I try to give her a little piece, she won't eat it. She loves the cooked food though. When we're on vacation with her, we always have to make sure we have a frig in the room and I buy a roasted chicken - lol.
I've looked several places for home made dog food recipes, but the ones I've found always have a lot of grain added. What I'm looking for are the ingredients that will give her any needed vitamins that the meat doesn't provide.
Oh, and if it is a yeast infection you can bet I'm contacting the dermatologist. As far as the skin tests, I don't know. I do know that the dermatologist had us try 3 or 4 different antibiotics to no avail. And yes I asked the regular vet about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she said "oh that only happens to human females". I swear the woman lost her brains or something. I can't believe I've trusted her for so long. When Shadow was diagnosed with the melanoma on her foot (since removed and hasn't come back), I was thrilled that she was the one who finally found out what it was. However, looking back, I was the stupid one because Shadow's foot was cracked and bleeding for over a year, all she did was have us wrap it with a topical medication and (you guessed it - antibiotics, and after that long period of time, finally decided to send out a sample of the paw pad. Unfortunately, I trusted in her judgment and never woke up enough to think that they should send out a sample. At least that is gone and hasn't come back.
Thanks everyone for the stories and suggestions. If anyone has any other points, I appreciate it. rihannasu, I would like to hear about any supplements I should be using. One thing I've never fed any of my dogs is the dried dog food crap.
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Post by rihannsu on Aug 15, 2011 13:03:12 GMT -5
Jazz, I just want to get the oral antibiotics from this vet and then I'm switching. rhiannasu, thanks for the advice. I know they've sent out samples of the patches on the skin, so maybe I'm crazy with my self diagnosis, but I want to try anyway. I don't remember anyone ever sending out the stuff in her ears though. They just say to clean them (which I always do of course), prescribe antibiotics and an ointment for her ears. I've read about raw feeding. What I do (and have done with all my dogs) is cook chicken or beef and add that to the canned food. More real meat than canned food. Do you need to give yours any supplements with the raw diet? That's what I've always been concerned about - hence the processed food. But that probably didn't do anything because of all the crap in it. I am giving her the acidophilus stuff (bene-bac gel). Started that with the new diet. I read that I can give her plain yogurt so was going to get that when the bene-bac is empty. If you (or the new vet) tells me that won't work, I have no problem buying the bene-bac or anything else recommended. I don't think I could switch to raw food because when I try to give her a little piece, she won't eat it. She loves the cooked food though. When we're on vacation with her, we always have to make sure we have a frig in the room and I buy a roasted chicken - lol. I've looked several places for home made dog food recipes, but the ones I've found always have a lot of grain added. What I'm looking for are the ingredients that will give her any needed vitamins that the meat doesn't provide. Oh, and if it is a yeast infection you can bet I'm contacting the dermatologist. As far as the skin tests, I don't know. I do know that the dermatologist had us try 3 or 4 different antibiotics to no avail. And yes I asked the regular vet about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she said "oh that only happens to human females". I swear the woman lost her brains or something. I can't believe I've trusted her for so long. When Shadow was diagnosed with the melanoma on her foot (since removed and hasn't come back), I was thrilled that she was the one who finally found out what it was. However, looking back, I was the stupid one because Shadow's foot was cracked and bleeding for over a year, all she did was have us wrap it with a topical medication and (you guessed it - antibiotics, and after that long period of time, finally decided to send out a sample of the paw pad. Unfortunately, I trusted in her judgment and never woke up enough to think that they should send out a sample. At least that is gone and hasn't come back. Thanks everyone for the stories and suggestions. If anyone has any other points, I appreciate it. rihannasu, I would like to hear about any supplements I should be using. One thing I've never fed any of my dogs is the dried dog food crap. Commercially prepared yogurt may not work because I believe it has to be live culture but there are many acidophilus supplements available and any health food store should have them. If they were just randomly trying different antibiotics they may not have done a specific culture. I have yet to run across a vet who did one without the customer requesting it unfortunately. I checked on yahoo and the rawfeeding group still exists, has a lot of links to faq pages on how to do the diet and there are many different types which is why I recommend you doing your own research and not just taking my word for it. Some dogs take longer to switch than others and there is still big debate within raw feeding circles about the necessity of veggies. Definitely no need for any grains. Variety is generally best and 10% organ meats is recommended. Supplements are not recommended with raw as long as you are giving variety. That being said my dog eats chicken the majority of the time has no issues and is very healthy. He doesn't tolerate the fats much at all without getting diarreah but all I do is take the skin off and he eats the rest. My older dog had chronic sinus congestion, ear infections, and bouts or irritable bowel syndrome all of his life until I switched to raw at which point ears cleared up, you couldn't hear him breathing from across the room anymore and no more runs unless he had too much fat or liver. Also his bad breath which could knock you out from ten feet away reduced tremendously. He could breath in my face without me wanting to puke from the smell. When I first started I joined the rawfeeding group and read backwards in the archives for quite a bit then started asking questions. People were VERY helpful and forthcoming and there are many who had dogs with serious health issues that were improved through raw feeding. Remember that regardless of their looks dogs are essentially wolves still as far as their physiology is concerned. They are primarily carnivores who can subsist as omnivores but their ideal diet is carnivorous. Cats are obligate carnivores meaning they require meat which is why cat foods have to be more carefully balanced than dog foods as lack of things like taurine lead to serious consequences. Which is why dogs can eat cat food but cats can't live on dog food without supplement.
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Post by tinafea on Aug 15, 2011 13:37:08 GMT -5
I've stopped in here to ask any and all of you to send all the light and positive energy you have out to my brother. He was diagnosed last monday with advanced lung cancer. He is stuck on a respirator right now. They tried radiation therapy and it didn't work. The only hope he has is to try chemo to reduce the tumor but the chemo might kill him in his weakened condition. He begins that today, we so hope he can tolerate the treatment so he can have some time with his family. He only got the diagnosis a week ago and he is 58 years old. It just totally sucks
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Aug 15, 2011 15:19:21 GMT -5
I've stopped in here to ask any and all of you to send all the light and positive energy you have out to my brother. He was diagnosed last monday with advanced lung cancer. He is stuck on a respirator right now. They tried radiation therapy and it didn't work. The only hope he has is to try chemo to reduce the tumor but the chemo might kill him in his weakened condition. He begins that today, we so hope he can tolerate the treatment so he can have some time with his family. He only got the diagnosis a week ago and he is 58 years old. It just totally sucks Oh sorry to hear this. How shocking this must be to you all that he was just diagnosed last Monday and the cancer seems to be so advanced. You have my good thoughts and prayers. I know how frantic I would be to hear this about my brother. Please keep us informed and I will be watching for some good news.
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