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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 22:41:24 GMT -5
rabbitrabbit I do agree with your stats, there are more up to date ones that conclude the same things. But I’m not being hysterical nor was this what I was referring to nor does is have a correlation when it comes to desert/border crime. (ha, good one on Fox news. I totally agree but Greta is usually ok) The desert crimes I am talking about occur in a no mans land where the closest police officer is perhaps a hundred miles away and to get to you they have to have off road vehicles because the terrain is so rough. (There are Jaguar and bears too) Black-and-white, either-or thinking doesn’t work when you are dependent on no one but yourself. This is an area of the US where you can die, lie there in the open, and never be found. news.yahoo.com/5-burned-bodies-arizona-desert-border-violence-214348219.htmlwww.house.gov/sites/members/tx10_mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdfphoenixcriminallawnews.com/2012/10/border-patrol-agent-nicholas-ivie-killed-in-desert-shootout.htmlI too would like to have homes with no guns and in a fantasy world we could pass a law and it would happen. But in reality… no it won’t. My position is close to the following article I read today in the New York Times. www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/kristof-do-we-have-the-courage-to-stop-this.htmlThe emigrant position you bring up is also one of great concern. Every week there are bodies found in the desert, both from dehydration and murder. Poor people trying to get some where they can earn a living for their families. Arizonians have groups that leave water in spots in the desert for this very reason. This is another real problem the US faces that has so many layers that when you peel one off there are a hundred underneath. The recent influx of the drug cartels also endangers these people. “Coyotes” (people runners) prey on them, Femacide occurs, children are left to fend for themselves because they have slowed down the coyotes, white slavery and if you can think of an inhuman vile action it probably has occurred. I will end this with an action I saw last week. I was behind a border patrol truck in line at my favorite Wendy’s. As I dove past them on my way out, I saw an agent gently patting an illegal’s injured and bandaged leg while he fed him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 22:41:52 GMT -5
midwifespal,
After writing here I had the same feeling as you, that I needed space and would never return, even to the other threads, where my appetite for seeing yet another performance picture is gone. I actually was physically upset. I was sure I had been unable to express what I am so desperate for this nation to understand, and I wanted to walk away in discust without facing whatever was to follow. I was upset because people I have the upmost of respect for and ones I had never disagreed with ever, suddenly seemed miles away from me and my views. And while pissed off I also was worried about how they were feeling. It is all very confusing and upsetting.
I still haven't gotten past the shooting in Chardon Ohio which was on a campus bordering my mothers yard. It's where we sat to watch the fireworks and see the football games. We took walks across the fields and my kids played on the playground. I know some of the teachers who were in the building personally. These were the teens I saw talking in the parking lots and lifeguarding at the public pool. It really made me realize that it can happen anywhere at anytime.
And now this. This one took young children who were in elementary school, just like mine. I walk past kindergarteners every week. I used to teach this age children. My kid could have been in the building...
I guess what I am trying to say is that emotions are running very high. We all have reference points and fears and desperately want to make this stop. At first I cried, then became overcome by fear for my own children, and now I am finding it hard to post here without showing too much anger or condescension. But I came back. I am here only because I decided that now is not a good time for me to make a decision about hitting that delete account button. We need to be patient with our emotions, and our friends, while continuing to have this meaningful conversation, with opposition, about how to end this kind of horror.
Peace to all.
Eta And you guys are tearing me up making me think about the border issues that seem so insurmountable. But your facts are awesome. Arizona is another place I call home. I have been to Nogales. I see the issues of immigrants and nonimmigrants every year when I go back to visit my family. Somehow things seem so impossible to solve to me. Maybe that is why I am leaning so strongly to my views on gun control--that is one thing I feel certain of in a world that seems so complex and uncertain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 0:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 8:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by nica575 on Dec 16, 2012 10:32:51 GMT -5
wow! I just checked in here...
we are all different and we are all products of our, oh, so different backgrounds...
Reading mahailia's post was eye opening for me... our worlds are worlds apart indeed... I can't imagine living in a place where having a gun is perceived as a necessity...where a gun can be a "gift", something to be happy about...(even the idea of hunting for fun makes me sick - how can anyone extinguish a life and enjoy that?...) It is so very sad to feel that you must have a gun to stay safe...
Prayer in public school - if it were in place I would've had to do home schooling I think...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:49:47 GMT -5
Kay, great article. The man who shot in Tucson had his parents living in terror but they could not get help. I have a cousin who has an adult daughter that just moved in with them, has shot herself seemingly for attention and has them living in terror. Downtown San Diego is rife with the mentally ill because of the state close down of mental health facilities. Then we have gun shows that loophole out of some laws or worse encourage the purchase of illegal guns. www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/20090923_gun_study/index.htmlThere so many facets to this problem, resistance to stronger laws for what ever reasons by our "servants in public service", lack of attention to mental health problems, laws that were meant to protect but in actual fact exasperates the problem. We always see discussion about this problem when something horrific happens but nothing seems to get accomplished. Why? Does this sound as if I am countering earlier posts? Not really. I was trying to explain a why that is very difficult to comprehend if you are not in that persons shoes or even more difficult to understand if you haven't seen the part of the country it applies to. I'm a Libra.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Dec 16, 2012 15:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by mahailia on Dec 17, 2012 0:49:31 GMT -5
I have not been hiding, just really busy with RL stuff. Thanks to those of you for having my back, you know who you are. Thanks granduchesspf for providing education about the dangers we face in the border states, they are very real.
Last night I went to a Christmas Ball that was also a benefit for our local health clinic. The band that played donated their time, and the lead singer was the Chief of Police of a town in our area, and his 2 sons. There was an auction of 2 items to benefit the clinic. Before the auction started, the organizer of the event said "I'm not a preacher, and I don't really know what to say, but I just wanted to say how terrible the Newtown massacre was, and how sad the loss of the children and teachers is, and my heart goes out to the people there, so maybe we could just say the Lord's Prayer." We all bowed our heads and prayed together. Then, a 357 rifle and a large bottle of Crown Royale were auctioned and brought in $1075 for the health clinic. What I think most of you don't understand is that guns are an integral part of our lives, for many reasons. Everybody down here has guns, and enjoys shooting them, and no one views them as killing machines. Some of you may not believe me, but let me assure you, they are necessary where I live.
I appreciate everyone's input, information, and points of view on this very serious issue. I will come back and answer some of the questions that yall asked about my comments as soon as I have adequate time to respond.
In the mean time, I encourage everyone to keep the discussion going. This issue about the how and why of the Newtown tragedy, and issues on gun control, mental health, and violence in our entertainment industry and the video games our children play will be prominent in the news and in the forefront of our national conscience, until we find some solutions.
I know that my views are not accepted by most of you, and that is OK. I am not offended, even by some of the really blantantly shocking responses. I guess my opinions are shocking to some of you. But please know that there are a lot of people in this country that feel pretty much the same way I do. If you want to understand, I will be glad to continue the conversation..........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 14:08:45 GMT -5
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