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Post by lifeguard on May 29, 2011 22:13:59 GMT -5
<snip>We call on Russian authorities to work with municipal officials to find better ways to safeguard these fundamental freedoms. [sourly] Sayz the same country who allowed Tennessee to pass that asinine law FORMALLY NEGATING equal rights for gays. #hypocrites (And before any of you jump on my ass, let me just remind y'all that I lived on Capitol Hill for a lot of years and I know full well how things work) I understand what you are saying but still, ALLOWED is rough word in this instance. Like saying they shouldn't have ALLOWED gay marriage in Vermont. States rights is one of those subjects which cause us to fall on different sides of the fence in different instances and that is just not how things work. It made me sick when KKK was allowed to march in Chicago suburb but if they didn't have that right, as long as it was non-violent, neither did a gay pride group. The US is a very tough place when it comes to many issues. We can't have the First Åmendment only for subjects we agree with for instance. It used to be discussed that there should be a standard of decency for things like what is pornographic and what is not. Then came the subject of who decided where the line should be. Would it be Larry Flynt or Jerry Falwell, both dead now if I'm not mistaken but at the time were the examples used. |
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Post by justkaren on May 29, 2011 22:15:41 GMT -5
Seems that some people either have an unrealistic idea of how relationships work, or have some unflattering stereotypical ideas about gay men. Or have been in more than one relationship where any time apart was viewed with great suspicion ... and I speak from far too much experience. :( |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 29, 2011 22:20:54 GMT -5
[sourly] Sayz the same country who allowed Tennessee to pass that asinine law FORMALLY NEGATING equal rights for gays. #hypocrites (And before any of you jump on my ass, let me just remind y'all that I lived on Capitol Hill for a lot of years and I know full well how things work) Hoppers read my entry on top of the page. Big analysis of this statement and some pictures to ack it all up. Very interesting. I read it. As someone who has had family members spend quality time in Siberia only one generation ago, do I have problems believing that the Russian government intentionally beat the crap out of peaceful protestors while blaming others? Nope. Not in the slightest. Doesn't surprise me a bit. My issue is with my own government outwardly taking the high horse on LBGT rights, when we can't get our own act together. ETA: And, IMO, I think other countries watching this exchange - particularly those who DO have decent gay rights - might be giving it a bit of a head shake too. |
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Post by kapsiz on May 29, 2011 22:25:56 GMT -5
WOW! And sort of reminds my of that "Husky" picture someone posted a while back - the eyes! I love this pic!!! ;D |
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Post by cheriemelissa on May 29, 2011 22:28:53 GMT -5
  MY GOD... where did you get this???? HYPNOTIZING... I'm hynotize  ETA: I set it as the background on my new laptop... IT'S AMAH-ZING Me too!
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Post by Q3 on May 29, 2011 22:29:34 GMT -5
[sourly] Sayz the same country who allowed Tennessee to pass that asinine law FORMALLY NEGATING equal rights for gays. #hypocrites (And before any of you jump on my ass, let me just remind y'all that I lived on Capitol Hill for a lot of years and I know full well how things work) I understand what you are saying but still, ALLOWED is rough word in this instance. Like saying they shouldn't have ALLOWED gay marriage in Vermont. States rights is one of those subjects which cause us to fall on different sides of the fence in different instances and that is just not how things work. It made me sick when KKK was allowed to march in Chicago suburb but if they didn't have that right, as long as it was non-violent, neither did a gay pride group. The US is a very tough place when it comes to many issues. We can't have the First Åmendment only for subjects we agree with for instance. It used to be discussed that there should be a standard of decency for things like what is pornographic and what is not. Then came the subject of who decided where the line should be. Would it be Larry Flynt or Jerry Falwell, both dead now if I'm not mistaken but at the time were the examples used. And we are a republic. And States have the right to do some stupid things! |
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Post by NoAngel on May 29, 2011 22:30:06 GMT -5
Hoppers read my entry on top of the page. Big analysis of this statement and some pictures to ack it all up. Very interesting. I read it. As someone who has had family members spend quality time in Siberia only one generation ago, do I have problems believing that the Russian government intentionally beat the crap out of peaceful protestors while blaming others? Nope. Not in the slightest. Doesn't surprise me a bit. My issue is with my own government outwardly taking the high horse on LBGT rights, when we can't get our own act together. Well, but the U.S. government took issue with Russia's violation of the right to freedom of assembly, as one of the tenets of OSCE, not with Russia's stance on LGBT rights. Very different. |
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Post by PastaBaby on May 29, 2011 22:30:48 GMT -5
Monte tweets:
Just landed in la!
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Post by Q3 on May 29, 2011 22:31:40 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying but still, ALLOWED is rough word in this instance. Like saying they shouldn't have ALLOWED gay marriage in Vermont. States rights is one of those subjects which cause us to fall on different sides of the fence in different instances and that is just not how things work. It made me sick when KKK was allowed to march in Chicago suburb but if they didn't have that right, as long as it was non-violent, neither did a gay pride group. The US is a very tough place when it comes to many issues. We can't have the First Åmendment only for subjects we agree with for instance. It used to be discussed that there should be a standard of decency for things like what is pornographic and what is not. Then came the subject of who decided where the line should be. Would it be Larry Flynt or Jerry Falwell, both dead now if I'm not mistaken but at the time were the examples used. And we are a republic. And States have the right to do some stupid things! But Americans also have the right to free speech on political issues. So at least I have the right to say that the Tennessee legislature is filled with bigots and morons. But I must say, it is a little disengenuos of the US State Dept. to criticize the Russians for arresting and beating the gay pride marchers when we have the discriminatory Defense of Marriage act: Obama in a memo: "But this Presidential Memorandum is just a start. Unfortunately, my Administration is not authorized by existing Federal law to provide same-sex couples with the full range of benefits enjoyed by heterosexual married couples. That's why I stand by my long-standing commitment to work with Congress to repeal the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. It's discriminatory, it interferes with States' rights, and it's time we overturned it." DOMA was signed into law in 1996 by Bill Clinton. On March 16, 2011, the Respect for Marriage act was introduced in both houses of the 112th Congress. The Respect for Marriage Act (RMA) repeals DOMA and restores the rights of all lawfully married couples—including same-sex couples—to receive the benefits of marriage under federal law. The bill also provides same-sex couples with certainty that federal benefits and protections would flow from a valid marriage celebrated in a state where such marriages are legal, even if a couple moves or travels to another state. So perhaps we should get our own house in order before we "scold" the Russians. (Not justifying any of the Moscow police actions but people who live in glass houses....) ETA: NoAngel -- the irony of the US State Department issuing a statement criticizing the Russian Police for arresting and hitting Dan Choi in the nose just strikes me as unforgivable. This is the same man that the US Government discharged from the US Army as unfit to serve. It would have been better for the US to let other countries make a statement. |
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Post by kapsiz on May 29, 2011 22:39:29 GMT -5
So_BFM Sofia Bak by AZGlamFan Made it to Shoreditch House just to run into Paloma Faith,Adam Lampert & same guy I run into everywhere. Everywhere I go I c the same ho! A HEM, Lampert? Really??? I hope she realizes she can be eliminated for less.    ITA!!!! |
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