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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Jun 1, 2011 19:16:03 GMT -5
sooo... are you saying he needs to compromise and produce some piece of sh*t song just to get to the Top 40 stations? - That's OK, if it takes only one of those... but how will he get any cred after that? IMO he is here to stay and make music and not the crap that TOP 40 plays... (hope I am not offending anyone here... ) Not all pop is crap...it means popular. Pop is generally fun, but doesn't need to be throw away stuff....it's what he wants. It's the genre he picked. I grew up on pop and actually like much of Top 40...shrug... P.S. I'm not as young as Chunkey but was exposed to rap via my son and his friends and like some. I think Eminem is a brilliant writer (although certainly take offense at some of his lyrics). Sometimes I do wonder how some on the board here can like Adams music so much but disdain all other pop artists.... Me either but I can see why. I mean I like Teenage Dream and a lot of Katy's songs are catchy as hell. Same goes for Rihanna and it pains me to say it--Kesha as well. That doesn't mean however that the fact that their "singing" is questionable (Hellooo kesha) and their ubiquity drives me nuts (Rihanna I'm looking at you) and when they talk like they are the next coming (Gaga I am really looking at you) doesn't irk me...it totally does. But to dismiss them completely might not be the best idea, esp since he aspires to their kind of success. I agree with the others tho who said not all pop music is crap. Some is and some isn't but then again it's always a matter of personal preference. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 1, 2011 19:17:22 GMT -5
I love that Katy Perry is kicking the crap out of Gaga and so is Adele. If Adam had a California Gurls hit - I would be over the moon. Whatever it takes, I'm for it. If it's collab with an urban singer/rapper - so be it. But I doubt any urban singer/rapper would collaborate with Adam. My god it would tarnish their reputation for singing with a gay dude. snurk. Seriously, we can speculate all we want. Adam wants longevity and he is gonna do what it takes. Not in worldwide album sales. Although, Adele is really hitting it big and her single is the hit of the summer. (so far) I saw where she is having to cancel concerts again due to vocal issues. I hope she is taking good care of her voice! I'm with you- not sure a male rapper would want to collaborate with Adam. Maybe a female rapper would?? |
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Post by lifetraveler on Jun 1, 2011 19:17:46 GMT -5
I totally agree with Chunkey's post - where is that cat hugging post where you need it? LOL 29 year old here and I love rap and I love pop (Katy Perry is my jam). And most of my friends love pop stars like Katy Perry and Lady Gaga and Rihanna. Actually I was just at a wedding and all of us where dancing around to S&M and Firework and knew all the lyrics.
That being said, can't generalize about age either - I mean, I also have friends who hate pop and think it is "beneath" them.
Also, I don't really see Adam having success with dance tracks - they're just not "Adam", you know? But I do totally see an Adele/Pink/even Bruno Mars type of niche for him, more pop-rock and where the vocals shine. These are people who are pop rock and still have great radio success. I really really hope he gets or writes some songs like that, because man, from all other points of view he is the perfect pop star: charismatic, with a personal sense of style, kind hearted, etc. There's a reason fans are so loyal to him once they get to know him. But he needs those hits to reach as many people as possible. *keeping my fingers crossed* So far, all signs are good.
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Post by murly on Jun 1, 2011 19:19:13 GMT -5
I want him to get played on KIIS LA and I think the right collab could do that! but that's saying he can't do it on his own, which with the right song he totally can IMO. The problem is that it's not a matter of what Adam can do; it's a matter of what the radio programmers will accept from him. They have all the power in this situation. We all know Adam can sing circles around the vast majority of pop singers today, but if The Powers That Be would rather play a piece of fluff (or a piece of crap) by someone like Taylor Swift, there's not much we or Adam can do. If we complain or put in too many requests, we're accused of ruining his career by trying too hard. If we play it cool, we're told, "Well, we just haven't seen much interest in Adam Lambert." There doesn't seem to be anything we can do, and there doesn't seem to be anything Adam can do. KIIS didn't ignore IIHY or WWFM because they're bad songs, or they're not well-sung, or they're not what the listeners of that station want to hear. They didn't get airplay because some idiot station manager wasn't interested in playing Adam Lambert. If a collaboration with someone whom they do want to play is what it takes, I say go for it. I'm not sure I've seen anyone here disdain ALL other pop artists. But I do reserve the right to compare Adam to some other popular singers who need autotune to even be on-key. I like Adam's music primarily because I am in awe of his voice. I simply can't say that about very many current singers who get far more airplay. |
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Post by lifetraveler on Jun 1, 2011 19:24:33 GMT -5
Also, I have huge expectations, but I try to tell myself that an album like 21 by Adele is the exception rather than the rule. I would LOVE Adam to have the male counterpart to that, but that is one of the best+catchiest albums in the last decade (when you take into account quality plus popularity together). So, loweeerrrrring expectations here. I could do even with a top 5 hit on Top 40 Radio, that'd be fine for me.  |
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Post by lanat on Jun 1, 2011 19:26:05 GMT -5
My 2 cents...
I remember in Adam's very early AI interviews how he said he loved the Divas: GaGa, Beyonce and he mentioned Goldfrapp and Robyn - Adam loves music you can dance too, thats fun, that makes you shake your ass. IMHO, he would have gone much more Pop with his first album if he could have but he had to have some rock/glam rock sensibility on it because rock was predominantly his genre on idol.
I hope that Adam's 2nd album has some heart-wrenching contemporary ballads and some kick-ass, 4 on the floor dancey-pop-tunes. Ones to cry and sigh to which showcase his voice, and ones that make him (and us) shake our stuff. Adam loves Pop - look at all his twitter comments - hope he gets to make a pop album thats fun but with some substance - we already know the vocals will be killer.
Either way, I already know I'll love it.
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Jun 1, 2011 19:26:51 GMT -5
but that's saying he can't do it on his own, which with the right song he totally can IMO. The problem is that it's not a matter of what Adam can do; it's a matter of what the radio programmers will accept from him. They have all the power in this situation. We all know Adam can sing circles around the vast majority of pop singers today, but if The Powers That Be would rather play a piece of fluff (or a piece of crap) by someone like Taylor Swift, there's not much we or Adam can do. If we complain or put in too many requests, we're accused of ruining his career by trying too hard. If we play it cool, we're told, "Well, we just haven't seen much interest in Adam Lambert." There doesn't seem to be anything we can do, and there doesn't seem to be anything Adam can do. KIIS didn't ignore IIHY or WWFM because they're bad songs, or they're not well-sung, or they're not what the listeners of that station want to hear. They didn't get airplay because some idiot station manager wasn't interested in playing Adam Lambert. If a collaboration with someone whom they do want to play is what it takes, I say go for it. I really wish radio stations would let the dj's and the fans dictate what is played...not let a bunch of men in suits select 15 songs to play ad nauseum. Radio is in such a pathetic state. You literally can hear the same songs every hour on the hour. Adam and his team are really going to have to have a good strategy to break through this wall around massive airplay. Hopefully since they have more time this era they can surmount this annoying obstacle. |
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Post by mariep on Jun 1, 2011 19:29:57 GMT -5
And he doesn't need a rapper or even someone to duet with imo, he just needs good songs. Period. He needs songs that are sooo good, so catchy, that the stations will have to play them. And not just sooo good to us the hardcore fans, but sooo good to the general public and to the PD's at radio.BINGO!!! Very well stated chunkey. This is what it is going to take to get Adam to achieve his goal of being a pop star. It's what he wants. I want to hear him on the radio. He needs songs like this for that to happen. I believe this is what he is working so hard on right now. If he doesn't have an album with songs played on top 40 he won't have the opportunity to keep making albums. He won't sell out. The top 40 songs we get from Adam will be hits that we love hearing!!! |
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Post by SusieFierce on Jun 1, 2011 19:34:36 GMT -5
Also, I have huge expectations, but I try to tell myself that an album like 21 by Adele is the exception rather than the rule. I would LOVE Adam to have the male counterpart to that, but that is one of the best+catchiest albums in the last decade (when you take into account quality plus popularity together). So, loweeerrrrring expectations here. I could do even with a top 5 hit on Top 40 Radio, that'd be fine for me. Of course, but again, this is the kind of thing Adam is saturating himself in right now. He is certainly capable of that level of quality, I believe. And sure, in any creative venture, there are multiple stars that have to align to pull any cohesive work of art off. I wasn't saying that he had to be at "21"s level, but that the success of her album PROVES there is a market for substance and quality and not just autotune and fluff. And actually, Adam can do dance stuff very well. That funkier version of "Kiss & Tell" is awesome. I'm trying to find it, does anyone have it handy? ETA: I don't think I realized this version was a Fonzerelli edit: |
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Post by lynne on Jun 1, 2011 19:35:28 GMT -5
sooo... are you saying he needs to compromise and produce some piece of sh*t song just to get to the Top 40 stations? - That's OK, if it takes only one of those... but how will he get any cred after that? IMO he is here to stay and make music and not the crap that TOP 40 plays... (hope I am not offending anyone here... ) sorry but IMO, I really don't think Adam would think of a song like California Girls or Teenage Dream as a sh*t compromise. He loves pop music even if many of you here do not. I'm always a little bit surprised by the dismissal of pop music on this board. Many seem to want an album of Soaked type songs but I really don't think that is in the cards. I agree with everything Chunkey said. Adam wants hits, POP hits, to be specific. I would be over the moon if he had anything like California Girls on his album. When I first heard IIHY and WWFM, they were too pop for me and were not my favorite songs on his album, but WWFM is the onemthat really took, and after seeing him sing it live and rearrange it so many ways, I actually have grown to love the song now. My son, a DJ/songwriter/music producer of music that to date has not been pop, told me a while ago that he thinks Teenage Dream is the perfect pop song. Adam makes me eventually like most everything he sings. Hmmm...the only thing I skip over is my AI album of play that funky music...got way overloaded on that song way back in its day, LOL |
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