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Post by aloha on Jun 1, 2011 20:15:04 GMT -5
Chunkey, I loved your post and agree with almost all of it. I would like to point out, though, that I am older than you and LOVE a lot of the pop, hip hop and rap music out today. I love the Rihanna/Eminem collab... "Love the Way You Lie" is a masterpiece, in my opinion. I have so much faith in Adam's taste and instincts. If he does a collab he will insist on quality and it will not be a sell out. I can't even imagine him putting out crap just for the sake of pop chart success. However, I CAN imagine him collaborating on something fresh, ear wormy, dynamic and totally worthy of Adam Fucking Lambert, his gorgeous voice, and his musical taste. Adam is smart. I don't think he sees "marketability" as the same as "selling out." And neither do I. See...I didn't say I was older than Chunkey, I elected to say I was not as young as......In my head I am younger and thinner than I really am. It works for me. Haha, I totally understand. It works for me, too.
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Post by kapsiz on Jun 1, 2011 20:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by jamie on Jun 1, 2011 20:21:46 GMT -5
My dream collaboration..... It wouldn't get him played on the radio but it would make my head explode and get people talking. And EVERYBODY loves Willie from the red staters to the stoners and everyone in between. He's worked with so many people from Ray Charles to Nora Jones to Snoop Dog and wrote a song about gay cowboys. Two rebels with voices of angels and hearts of gold. Just putting it out to the universe......
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Post by 4Ms on Jun 1, 2011 20:25:01 GMT -5
California Girls may be the perfect Pop song, but I only see the silly Candyland music video in my head when I hear it.
I like Firework. I've heard it in the background on TV programs.
I don't know how the two songs compare as successful Pop songs, though.
When I hear Firework, I think of this video-
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Post by cassie on Jun 1, 2011 20:26:21 GMT -5
Just last week a group of friends got together over Chinese food. I was rolling my eyes in pleasure for my entree and one asked to taste it. He took one bite and shrugged his shoulders. Said something about it having a burned taste. To me, it has a smokey flavor that I love. Ever have the experience of trying a cologne in the store and thinking it was lovely, only to spray some on your friend's wrist and they wrinkle their nose with disgust? You probably see where I am going with this. Taste in food, in fragrance, and in music is individual and personal. It is shaped by our environment and culture, by our exposure to variety or lack thereof, and probably by biological differences. Just like some people's taste buds perceive certain tastes differently from others, I believe that some people's ears hear sound differently from others, and some people's bodies naturally resonate at different frequencies. I suspect that not only do our musical tastes get shaped by what we hear as we mature, but our minds and bodies get "tuned" to the music we are exposed to most often. Subsequently, our bodies and minds resonate to different sounds. All music has its own intrinsic value regardless of complexity, popularity, dance-ability, harmonies, rhythms or origins. I can acknowledge that intellectually, while still having strong preferences for what is "good" music or "good" singing. As I have said before, we are gathered here because we all resonate to Adam's singing voice. But, WHAT we want him to sing varies as much as our age, hair color, favorite perfume, and favorite Chinese dish. Let's read each others posts thru that perspective. And, I promise, if you label my favorite music as "crap" or "out of date" I will smile, nod, and scroll on. "Tut, tut, bless her heart. She just doesn't know any better."
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Post by evergreen on Jun 1, 2011 20:35:36 GMT -5
Just last week a group of friends got together over Chinese food. I was rolling my eyes in pleasure for my entree and one asked to taste it. He took one bite and shrugged his shoulders. Said something about it having a burned taste. To me, it has a smokey flavor that I love. Ever have the experience of trying a cologne in the store and thinking it was lovely, only to spray some on your friend's wrist and they wrinkle their nose with disgust? You probably see where I am going with this. Taste in food, in fragrance, and in music is individual and personal. It is shaped by our environment and culture, by our exposure to variety or lack thereof, and probably by biological differences. Just like some people's taste buds perceive certain tastes differently from others, I believe that some people's ears hear sound differently from others, and some people's bodies naturally resonate at different frequencies. I suspect that not only do our musical tastes get shaped by what we hear as we mature, but our minds and bodies get "tuned" to the music we are exposed to most often. Subsequently, our bodies and minds resonate to different sounds. All music has its own intrinsic value regardless of complexity, popularity, dance-ability, harmonies, rhythms or origins. I can acknowledge that intellectually, while still having strong preferences for what is "good" music or "good" singing. As I have said before, we are gathered here because we all resonate to Adam's singing voice. But, WHAT we want him to sing varies as much as our age, hair color, favorite perfume, and favorite Chinese dish. Let's read each others posts thru that perspective. And, I promise, if you label my favorite music as "crap" or "out of date" I will smile, nod, and scroll on. "Tut, tut, bless her heart. She just doesn't know any better." Bless YOUR heart, Cassie - you are a gem!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 20:43:19 GMT -5
If you were referring to lynne's post about her son's comment, it was "Teenage Dream" not CA Gurls. I had a fast burnout on CA Gurls, but not with Teenage Dream. And Firework, I love. Bonnie McKee wrote Teenage Dream!
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Post by lisapf on Jun 1, 2011 20:51:36 GMT -5
Chunkey, but aren't these songs "bubble gum"? (I am not sure, I tried to listen but could not take more than a few seconds...) also, wasn't some big name rapper dude collaborating with her? I remember some tall older guy on her MV - he was kinda out of place there...) I think its the same person that Adam was doing award announcements with... and Paula... he looked the same to me... Yes, but you have to understand that he needs big radio singles like that unfortunately. Just using that as an example, not a template of where he should go musically. I'm sure he will mix it with less bubble stuff but unless he has hit song material he just won't get played on radio. If that's ok with him and his label than more power to him--some artists can get by like that and be just fine--but he wants to be a pop star. And I am sure he is under extra pressure and scrutiny to make hits for a myriad of reasons. The Idol thing, the gay thing, etc etc. And I can't see the label being happy with just being a medium selling guilty pleasure cult fav kind of artist. Besides everyone's musical tastes are different. To you that may be throwaway fluff pop but to others, esp the younger generation, it's just good pop music. I am not sure about your age, but I notice a lot of people here don't like the rap thing, and once again I don't want to generalize on ages or likes or dislikes or anything, but could the reason be that you are from another generation when rap music wasn't so prevalent? I mean I will be 30 at the end of August so I grew up on rap and hip hop music. My Mom on the other hand--who is 60--hates it. LOL. So for me it's a non issue but sometimes older people don't always like it. And that's not to say that ppl my age don't dislike it either, I am just saying that for most ppl my age or younger, well, it's just a part of music we've grown up around. And he doesn't need a rapper or even someone to duet with imo, he just needs good songs. Period. He needs songs that are sooo good, so catchy, that the stations will have to play them. And not just sooo good to us the hardcore fans, but sooo good to the general public and to the PD's at radio. I'm pretty sure he won't sell himself out down the river of mindless pop...but I'm am pretty positive that in between the meaningful and more experimental songs he will strive to have some solid, everyone can jam to this hits. And keep in mind that hit songs don't have to be devoid of emotion or good lyrics! Adele anyone? Chunkey, I have to agree with you. I love hip hop, and love some "bubble gum" music as well. Great radio music! I don't think Adam has to completely compromise his sense of music or quality to gain radio play - with the ultimate goal in mind. Why not give a little to achieve a long-term goal. JMHO.
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Post by qtip22 on Jun 1, 2011 20:51:40 GMT -5
Some were talking about collaborations earlier. I would love an Adam/Adele colab. I got her CD for my birthday today and I love her voice. Not as much as Adam's, but I think they would sound good together.
I'm not sure why I like the music I like, which spans several genres. Most of the time my musical desire is driven by how I'm feeling at that time. So Adam can create whatever kind of music he wants...I'll buy it. I'm sure I will have a mood that will go with every song he puts out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 20:52:41 GMT -5
@alenkaja Yes, master...yes, master....
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