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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 22:39:04 GMT -5
She's just sharing her own pov. She never bashed Lgbts. She even said she has friends who are gay. Just doesn't agree with the lifestyle. Fair enough. Maybe her first pr interview. A bit tactless. But I dont think she well lose an lgbt following over it lol. I've heard that before. It has been used to excuse racism. I have a friend who is black so how could I be racist? I have a friend who is a jew so how could I be anti semitic? She hopefully will mature and understand what she is actually saying. IMHO she is being homophobic how ever nicely she thinks she is saying it. You don't have to be a raving homophobe to get your opinion across. Bless her heart. |
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Post by cassie on Apr 9, 2016 22:39:39 GMT -5
Sigh. LaPorsha just sounds ignorant to me. For good and for ill, our beliefs and perspectives are shaped by how we are raised and what we are taught as children. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was told that homosexuality was a choice, and an amoral one at that. Just like having sex outside of marriage was an immoral choice. And adultery. All sins. In my sheltered, mid-America, small-town world, I didn't know anyone who was gay. Well, I am sure I did, but didn't know they were gay. I accepted what I was told. I didn't know any better. It was only after I was an adult, living in a cosmopolitan environment, meeting, working with, and being friends with all kinds of people.... including those who were gay and lesbian ---- that I was able to question my earlier teachings (conditionings), and recognize those filled with ignorance, dogma and prejudice. Perhaps I was influenced by my dear, sweet, smart grandmother, who was incredibly, profoundly racist. I loved her dearly, but even as a child, I could recognize how flawed, hateful, and hurtful her beliefs were when it came to what she, at her most gracious and polite, referred to as "nigras." I, sadly, know too many people who still firmly believe the crap they have been told about people who are LGBT. Good, loving, caring, church-going Christian folks who believe they are speaking God's will. People who say "Some of my best friends are gay" yet still staunchly believe their friends are choosing to be gay, they are sinning, and they are in some way, psychologically unhealthy and need help to "find the light." Sigh. We still have a long way to go. Im.sorry but who's being ignorant now. Not all Christians see Lgbt in that way. Seems your stereotyping Christians. I'm sorry but you can't speak for me. Seems your generalizing Christians as a certain type. How is that any different to.what ppl do with Lgbts? Not trying to.start anything. But just be careful. Its a fine line. I see your point. I apologize if it seemed like I was saying ALL Christians think this way. I definitely do not think that. And I was not trying to speak for you in the least. In any case, I have to pull back at this point and recognize that this topic is probably not appropriate for the daily news about Adam. |
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 9, 2016 22:53:33 GMT -5
Sigh. LaPorsha just sounds ignorant to me. For good and for ill, our beliefs and perspectives are shaped by how we are raised and what we are taught as children. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was told that homosexuality was a choice, and an amoral one at that. Just like having sex outside of marriage was an immoral choice. And adultery. All sins. In my sheltered, mid-America, small-town world, I didn't know anyone who was gay. Well, I am sure I did, but didn't know they were gay. I accepted what I was told. I didn't know any better. It was only after I was an adult, living in a cosmopolitan environment, meeting, working with, and being friends with all kinds of people.... including those who were gay and lesbian ---- that I was able to question my earlier teachings (conditionings), and recognize those filled with ignorance, dogma and prejudice. Perhaps I was influenced by my dear, sweet, smart grandmother, who was incredibly, profoundly racist. I loved her dearly, but even as a child, I could recognize how flawed, hateful, and hurtful her beliefs were when it came to what she, at her most gracious and polite, referred to as "nigras." I, sadly, know too many people who still firmly believe the crap they have been told about people who are LGBT. Good, loving, caring, church-going Christian folks who believe they are speaking God's will. People who say "Some of my best friends are gay" yet still staunchly believe their friends are choosing to be gay, they are sinning, and they are in some way, psychologically unhealthy and need help to "find the light." Sigh. We still have a long way to go. Im.sorry but who's being ignorant now. Not all Christians see Lgbt in that way. Seems your stereotyping Christians. I'm sorry but you can't speak for me. Seems your generalizing Christians as a certain type. How is that any different to.what ppl do Lgbts? Not trying to.start anything. But just be careful. Its a fine line. Cassie did not say all Christians, only some and it is evident that the group she describes exists. People truly chose their religion, Christian or otherwise. Their upbringing may predispose them to choose one religion over another or even none at all, but it is something they can change simply by choosing to do so. These same people can believe that being LGBT is a choice, but belief does not make it fact. Sexual orientation is hard-wired and you diminish a whole group's reality by referring to their orientation as a lifestyle. When this descriptor is used, it is indeed a display of willful ignorance where belief is more important than truth. |
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Post by sunrise on Apr 9, 2016 23:03:23 GMT -5
Im.sorry but who's being ignorant now. Not all Christians see Lgbt in that way. Seems your stereotyping Christians. I'm sorry but you can't speak for me. Seems your generalizing Christians as a certain type. How is that any different to.what ppl do Lgbts? Not trying to.start anything. But just be careful. Its a fine line. Cassie did not say all Christians, only some and it is evident that the group she describes exists. People truly chose their religion, Christian or otherwise. Their upbringing may predispose them to choose one religion over another or even none at all, but it is something they can change simply by choosing to do so. These same people can believe that being LGBT is a choice, but belief does not make it fact. Sexual orientation is hard-wired and you diminish a whole group's reality by referring to their orientation as a lifestyle. When this descriptor is used, it is indeed a display of willful ignorance where belief is more important than truth. Standing O for LindaG23s post and IMHO leporshas words were ignorant |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 23:10:50 GMT -5
Sigh. LaPorsha just sounds ignorant to me. For good and for ill, our beliefs and perspectives are shaped by how we are raised and what we are taught as children. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was told that homosexuality was a choice, and an amoral one at that. Just like having sex outside of marriage was an immoral choice. And adultery. All sins. In my sheltered, mid-America, small-town world, I didn't know anyone who was gay. Well, I am sure I did, but didn't know they were gay. I accepted what I was told. I didn't know any better. It was only after I was an adult, living in a cosmopolitan environment, meeting, working with, and being friends with all kinds of people.... including those who were gay and lesbian ---- that I was able to question my earlier teachings (conditionings), and recognize those filled with ignorance, dogma and prejudice. Perhaps I was influenced by my dear, sweet, smart grandmother, who was incredibly, profoundly racist. I loved her dearly, but even as a child, I could recognize how flawed, hateful, and hurtful her beliefs were when it came to what she, at her most gracious and polite, referred to as "nigras." I, sadly, know too many people who still firmly believe the crap they have been told about people who are LGBT. Good, loving, caring, church-going Christian folks who believe they are speaking God's will. People who say "Some of my best friends are gay" yet still staunchly believe their friends are choosing to be gay, they are sinning, and they are in some way, psychologically unhealthy and need help to "find the light." Sigh. We still have a long way to go. Im.sorry but who's being ignorant now. Not all Christians see Lgbt in that way. Seems your stereotyping Christians. I'm sorry but you can't speak for me. Seems your generalizing Christians as a certain type. How is that any different to.what ppl do with Lgbts? Not trying to.start anything. But just be careful. Its a fine line. Well, really though, Christians are not a historically stigmatized & persecuted minority. Christians aren't fighting for their civil rights all over the world. (Besides, to me though, it sounded like cassie was relating her personal experience, not generalizing all Christians.) [Here's where I stop addressing you directly 3ku11 - just adding my thoughts to the general convo >>> ] However well-intentioned (albeit patronizing & cringe-worthy) her comments about "live & let live" and "they are people just like us" and "I wasn't brought up that way" and "I have gay friends" etc. etc. etc. - LaPorsha is perpetuating the false idea that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice - this is the singular myth that the LGBT community has been fighting for decades (at least) & is the basis for most religious arguments against homosexuality. Yes, she's entitled to her opinion. Others are entitled to disagree. The Internet is entitled to talk about her regressive rhetoric. And I've seen a few comments on other sites to the effect of "well at least she's not being PC" "or at least she's being honest about her beliefs"... Are people really okay with ignorance & discrimination as long as people are "being honest about it"??? Really? And I hate the whole idea of 'tolerance'. Fuck 'tolerance'. Tolerance is just lazy oppression. I'm glad her interview is creating this conversation. It's obviously necessary when people can read what she said & excuse it with "she meant well". |
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 9, 2016 23:26:03 GMT -5
Books, I like your line "tolerance is just lazy oppression", it gives me food for thought. Thank you.
I did, however, want to add that factually, while Christians are not being persecuted in the US for instance, they have been and still are being persecuted in many places in the world where they are in the minority and the religious violence needs to stop.
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Post by mszue on Apr 9, 2016 23:57:09 GMT -5
Im.sorry but who's being ignorant now. Not all Christians see Lgbt in that way. Seems your stereotyping Christians. I'm sorry but you can't speak for me. Seems your generalizing Christians as a certain type. How is that any different to.what ppl do with Lgbts? Not trying to.start anything. But just be careful. Its a fine line. Well, really though, Christians are not a historically stigmatized & persecuted minority. Christians aren't fighting for their civil rights all over the world. (Besides, to me though, it sounded like cassie was relating her personal experience, not generalizing all Christians.) [Here's where I stop addressing you directly 3ku11 - just adding my thoughts to the general convo >>> ] However well-intentioned (albeit patronizing & cringe-worthy) her comments about "live & let live" and "they are people just like us" and "I wasn't brought up that way" and "I have gay friends" etc. etc. etc. - LaPorsha is perpetuating the false idea that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice - this is the singular myth that the LGBT community has been fighting for decades (at least) & is the basis for most religious arguments against homosexuality. Yes, she's entitled to her opinion. Others are entitled to disagree. The Internet is entitled to talk about her regressive rhetoric. And I've seen a few comments on other sites to the effect of "well at least she's not being PC" "or at least she's being honest about her beliefs"... Are people really okay with ignorance & discrimination as long as people are "being honest about it"??? Really? And I hate the whole idea of 'tolerance'. Fuck 'tolerance'. Tolerance is just lazy oppression. I'm glad her interview is creating this conversation. It's obviously necessary when people can read what she said & excuse it with "she meant well". I find it interesting that so many are really hammering LaPorsha for her insensitivity and unsophisticated use of incorrect terminology....yet when others were hurt and feeling just as concerned at the use of the word 'cunt'...all of a sudden, the shoe was on the other foot and use of that term was lauded as being truthfully and fully non PC and that was a good thing. For many of us, Cunt is every bit as nasty as "lifestyle". For what it is worth, at least LaPorsha's use of poor terminology really was out of ignorance and not purposeful. It is good that she is getting this lesson early on....I hope she gets a good lesson on PR do's and dont's from some kind person, quickly, and I hope her heart really is in the right place. I know I cringe at some of the things I said accidentally over the years and just thank heaven I was not in the public eye when I said them....they were good lessons, if embarrassing. I am sure that I have plenty more lessons to learn... |
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Post by Q3 on Apr 10, 2016 0:05:00 GMT -5
Sigh. LaPorsha just sounds ignorant to me. For good and for ill, our beliefs and perspectives are shaped by how we are raised and what we are taught as children. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was told that homosexuality was a choice, and an amoral one at that. Just like having sex outside of marriage was an immoral choice. And adultery. All sins. In my sheltered, mid-America, small-town world, I didn't know anyone who was gay. Well, I am sure I did, but didn't know they were gay. I accepted what I was told. I didn't know any better. It was only after I was an adult, living in a cosmopolitan environment, meeting, working with, and being friends with all kinds of people.... including those who were gay and lesbian ---- that I was able to question my earlier teachings (conditionings), and recognize those filled with ignorance, dogma and prejudice. Perhaps I was influenced by my dear, sweet, smart grandmother, who was incredibly, profoundly racist. I loved her dearly, but even as a child, I could recognize how flawed, hateful, and hurtful her beliefs were when it came to what she, at her most gracious and polite, referred to as "nigras." I, sadly, know too many people who still firmly believe the crap they have been told about people who are LGBT. Good, loving, caring, church-going Christian folks who believe they are speaking God's will. People who say "Some of my best friends are gay" yet still staunchly believe their friends are choosing to be gay, they are sinning, and they are in some way, psychologically unhealthy and need help to "find the light." Sigh. We still have a long way to go. Cassie, I agree with you sort of. LaPorcha, sounds to me like she needs some PR help -- not expecting her to change her opinion but at least she can learn to avoid those awful trigger expressions like, "some of my best friends are...." LaPorcha is 22, not 62. And she has a college degree. But she has led a pretty limited life so far. This kind of ignorance is just not excusable in 2016, but unfortunately I understand how it exists. LaPorcha's hometown (McComb, MS) is a southern Mississippi rural town with a lot of poverty. (In the last US census the median household income was $26,507 per Wiki.) I have friends in McComb who are openly gay. Several businesses in McComb are owned by openly gay men. But it would be very, very easy to grow up and live there, and have no gay friends. Church and family are the centers of social life there. Generally, I have many acquaintances and a few friends in Mississippi who are directed by their Christian faith to believe that LGBT are violating God's laws -- but I also have very religious friends who have made compromises for LGBT family members they love. Evolution can happen. (Oh, those same Christians I referenced in the first sentence don't believe in evolution either!  ) In spite of Mississippi's HB1523 "Religious Liberty" protection, which will almost certainly be struck down by the courts as being unconstitutional, Mississippi has a large LGBT population and a lot of advocates. |
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Post by kryptoman68 on Apr 10, 2016 0:09:05 GMT -5
Full circle moment for me...  ![]() ![]() ![]() From:Adam singing Born To Be Wild on Idol 2009 and Simon saying it was too theatrical and reminded him of The Rocky Horror Picture Show to which Adam responded "I love that musical!". At 3:47-3:54 of the video.
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Adam's tweeting he was going to be in the new TV version of the RHPS:ADAM LAMBERT @adamlambert Jan 15 HOT PATOOTIE! ADAM LAMBERT @adamlambert Jan 14 I'm going to be in ROCKY HORROR!!! Woohoooo. www.billboard.com/articles/news/6843727/adam-lambert-rocky-horror-picture-show-fox-“I grew up watching Rocky Horror, but could never imagine that I would be part of this new vision. Rocky Horror always made me feel like it was OK to celebrate my weirdness. Hallelujah, bless my soul! I love that old time rock-n-roll!” Yep, check out my signature! 2465 days from Simon's comment to the casting announcement! |
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Post by Q3 on Apr 10, 2016 0:19:05 GMT -5
Well, really though, Christians are not a historically stigmatized & persecuted minority. Christians aren't fighting for their civil rights all over the world. (Besides, to me though, it sounded like cassie was relating her personal experience, not generalizing all Christians.) [Here's where I stop addressing you directly 3ku11 - just adding my thoughts to the general convo >>> ] However well-intentioned (albeit patronizing & cringe-worthy) her comments about "live & let live" and "they are people just like us" and "I wasn't brought up that way" and "I have gay friends" etc. etc. etc. - LaPorsha is perpetuating the false idea that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice - this is the singular myth that the LGBT community has been fighting for decades (at least) & is the basis for most religious arguments against homosexuality. Yes, she's entitled to her opinion. Others are entitled to disagree. The Internet is entitled to talk about her regressive rhetoric. And I've seen a few comments on other sites to the effect of "well at least she's not being PC" "or at least she's being honest about her beliefs"... Are people really okay with ignorance & discrimination as long as people are "being honest about it"??? Really? And I hate the whole idea of 'tolerance'. Fuck 'tolerance'. Tolerance is just lazy oppression. I'm glad her interview is creating this conversation. It's obviously necessary when people can read what she said & excuse it with "she meant well". I find it interesting that so many are really hammering LaPorsha for her insensitivity and unsophisticated use of incorrect terminology....yet when others were hurt and feeling just as concerned at the use of the word 'cunt'...all of a sudden, the shoe was on the other foot and use of that term was lauded as being truthfully and fully non PC and that was a good thing. For many of us, Cunt is every bit as nasty as "lifestyle". For what it is worth, at least LaPorsha's use of poor terminology really was out of ignorance and not purposeful. It is good that she is getting this lesson early on....I hope she gets a good lesson on PR do's and dont's from some kind person, quickly, and I hope her heart really is in the right place. I know I cringe at some of the things I said accidentally over the years and just thank heaven I was not in the public eye when I said them....they were good lessons, if embarrassing. I am sure that I have plenty more lessons to learn... I think this is a different situation -- at least for me -- it really is not about being offended by language, it is content of what she said. LaPorcha said, "This is how I feel about the LGBT Community. They are people just like us. They’re not animals as someone stated before. (Ed: boxer Manny Pacquiao made those remarks. She would have sung the NA at his fight this weekend if she had won.) They’re people with feelings. Although all of us may not agree with that particular lifestyle for religious reasons–whatever the reason is. You still treat each other with respect. Everybody is a human being. We should be able to coexist with one another. I am one of the people who don’t really agree with that lifestyle. I wasn’t brought up that way, it wasn’t how I was raised. But I do have a lot of friends and a lot of people that I love dearly who are gay and homosexual and they’re such sweet, nice people. We should just respect each other’s differences and opinions and move on." The bolded part is offensive to me -- because I do not believe that it is true. I reminds me of when people say something racist and excuse it by saying, "Some of my best friends are black...." which rarely was true. Similarly I really doubt she has a lot of people who she loves dearly who are gay and homosexual. JMHO and I am not trying to convince anyone to agree with me. |
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