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Post by FanOfTheMan on Aug 21, 2011 12:17:19 GMT -5
Interesting question - I would say that a political candidate has to be willing to address current political questions and cannot legitamately make those off topic (unless the interview is with Good Housekeeping about how they decorated their house or with People about their upcoming wedding or something along those lines.) If you are going to appear on a political news-based show you have to expect to be asked questions about current topics. - I agree with you completely, and would add just one thing. Piers was asking her about things she has already spoken about publicly, asking her if her views remain the same. He wasn't asking her about things she could not be expected to have any knowledge of. OK- maybe it's a stretch to say she has shown much knowledge, but it's clear she has a history of having opinions on the subject. Not the same thing at all, in my opinion. True. And since she was on his show to promote her new book, I think his questions involving subjects she had included in her book were completely appropriate. She made an idiot of herself. But at least she's not a witch. ;D |
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Post by mariep on Aug 21, 2011 12:18:23 GMT -5
I totally understand why Adam scares some people. He is not a characterization of a gay man, which is easier to come to terms with, but a real person who is fierce yet sweet, funny and unapologetic, uber-gay one minute and HBIC the next. He makes them feel unsafe in their preconceived notions. A bigot can shake his head and dismiss Adam doing his "disco dance" at River Rock, but it's a little scary to see him holding a joint in Amsterdam then grabbing Tommy and devouring him. And the icing on the cake , the thousands of screaming women who love him and the fact that he is voted "sexiest man" in polls with the hottest heteros. Adam does not make life easy for bigots.  This is the most awesome place to be today! Reading along a little at a time while real life is happening in the fore front. It's time for a little break and since this was brought up, I think I'll watch it 1000x on my break! |
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Post by NoAngel on Aug 21, 2011 12:22:22 GMT -5
I think as well that for anyone raised in an average American way where Christian thinking is often the norm, the sexual urge to copulate with with a same sex partner is considered a sin, a crime against God and self. I think that this is more responsible for the self-loathing than anything else. Very true. I think hate against gay people is much more prevalent and pronounced in cultures with strong traditional fundamental-leaning Christian values. I'm no anthropologist, but I know that in some pre-Christian cultures same-sex relationships were more accepted. I wonder how it plays out in primitive cultures that exist today. |
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Post by murly on Aug 21, 2011 12:24:18 GMT -5
NoAngel - the threat that a gay man has towards a straight man is often the straight man's unexpressed and repressed desire to try that out. We are all on a spectrum of sexuality and if we are really honest with ourselves, we may find that we have a little homosexual living in there. Or not. Most people who are comfortable with their sexuality and very sure of who they are do not carry such fear that someone will "turn them gay". But many Americans are raised in such a way that if they even entertain homoerotic thoughts, or dream homoerotic dreams then they must guard against such heinousness and fight the gay inside. For some, this also means fighting the gays outside of themselves as well. Self-loathing is something that many people who come out talk about having to overcome and often it takes years. As Adam said on BTM, when we are growing up there are very few available to let the GLBT teens know that it is OK to be different. So to take it down to a basic level, a straight man's biological imperative is to procreate. If a man is not attracted to women and is not driven to procreate, this threatens survival of the species. It seems (again I'm talking biologically) that a straight man's chances of procreating are improved if there are some gay men around, since that means more women are available to the straight man. But if as you say the straight man is somehow deep down afraid that he himself may have homoerotic drives, then he himself becomes a threat, and so he lashes out at potential targets of the unwanted attraction. Hmm. It's a leap, but makes sense. I believe that another factor here is just good ol' fashioned misogyny. The attitude of straight men toward gay men is "They're like women! Ew! Gross!" I think a lot of men really don't like or respect feminine viewpoints or behaviors. They bear animosity toward women, and even more toward men whom they view as being like women. They resent what they see as a betrayal of masculine values. |
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Post by Holst on Aug 21, 2011 12:28:45 GMT -5
A fascinating article on charisma (told from an operatic perspective), but the author really examines what it is and (IMO) why Adam has such a brilliant future. www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/arts/music/what-is-charisma.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1No, unless one of Adam's primary new management team happens to be an attorney. (Many agents are and agents do segue into management.) It's always a risk you take that your client will not be portrayed as you want or expect (happens to politicians all the time), but it is a HUGE risk on the part of the publication to say one thing during negotiations, then turn around and do something completely different. They are gambling with their entire reputation and word travels fast. Other celebs will become wary. I definitely think they approached Adam. And like I said, I hope they groveled. The ONLY way I can imagine Adam's new management approached OUT is that they are crafting a MAJOR media saturation campaign and want him on every outlet possible for the Adam2 launch. They MAY have said to Adam, "We can take the high road, do this and keep our eyes on the bigger prize." (However, I cannot imagine the issue will not be addressed in some way in the interview/article.) I recommend reading the comments. Lots of ideas. Here is one: LRT
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Two characteristics all charismatic people that I've met seem to have in common are a casual self confidence and an apparent lack of fear. The lack of fear probably can be attributed to their high level of self confidence. Dogs generally don't bark at them and muggers often just walk the other way. Charisma has its benefits.
Some comments stated that the author might be mistaking great talent for charisma: that is when watching a performance. Seems to me that a charismatic performer must have it on and off stage, not just on stage. |
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Post by cookeejar on Aug 21, 2011 12:29:21 GMT -5
I must have been distracted by all the pretty and missed something as well. I am wondering about "I am hopeful that I am misinformed" as well as the above. ETA: On page 20 of yesterday's thread at 12:00 a.m. (sorry can't seem to bring the pic over) Reimer posted a pic of Adam at a table. Refresh my memory. Right after that pic originally showed up....didn't a family member of one of the contestants post some nasty stuff about Adam. I can't remember what it was, but everytime I see that picture, I feel sad. I think this is the photo the Gokey cousins presented Adam with and he autographed for them:  I was particularly angry about this because Adam was dressed for a Wicked associated charity performance. You can see other cast members on stage over his shoulder.  I felt the same way when I saw Adam sitting at that table. The expression on his face just hurt my heart. Ironically, these autographed pictures is they will probably be worth alot of money some day. Isn't the fact that these guys will reap the benifits a sad story. |
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 21, 2011 12:30:25 GMT -5
LambritsUK the lambrits
RT @kathryn17: National Cadet Corp Precision Drill Squad performance to IIHY by Adam Lambert in Singapore!! So cute! youtube.com/watch?v=j4Djcf…
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 21, 2011 12:31:27 GMT -5
Yowza!! Thanks 4Ms!! In a day for excellent NYT articles, that one on the Gay Generation Gap is fantastic. Love this quote from the second one; from the editor of Frontiers: Adam ended up giving us a great story, more like a conversation than a stuffy interview. He was really kind and seems to be a really genuine guy. I believed everything that came out of his mouth.
Everything he had to say was well thought out and poised, and there’s no sense of pretension or cocky attitude. He seemed genuinely humble that we wanted him to grace our cover.
After all, Adam has lived here in L.A. for nearly a decade and has his roots here. I remember running into him singing at karaoke bars in West Hollywood years back. And from what I understand, he has some of the same close friends as he did back then. He hasn’t seemed to let the “fame and fortune” make him jaded or affected, something I’ve personally witnessed when he’s been approached by fans. Such and interesting thing for an interviewer to say. And also interesting the dynamic of the comments sections. Someone mentioned upthread of the canned, "What did he ever do to deserve an honor ..." sniping. Ofc, if they bothered to read the article or watch the intro video, they would likely get some idea, but it's easier to bitch and moan and point fingers. So that's why it is important that those who may have more detailed knowledge convey the points in a calm, detached manner. |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 21, 2011 12:36:18 GMT -5
NoAngel - biologically, yes men are driven to procreate, as are women. Witness one Ani DiFranco who was an outspoken lesbian till her biological clock tick-tocked her into a straight relationship and she had a kid. Will she remain there? No one knows. I think as well that for anyone raised in an average American way where Christian thinking is often the norm, the sexual urge to copulate with with a same sex partner is considered a sin, a crime against God and self. I think that this is more responsible for the self-loathing than anything else. Adam is a lucky man in the sense that he came from a family that did not hold these views. Even still, he struggled as an adolescent due to the pervasive viewpoint that being straight is right and being gay is wrong. Interesting comment but I do not think that there is an average American way of being raised. And the concept that male humans have a biological imperative to procreate has been challenged by some researchers. They hold that since one male can impregnate many females, there is no need for a universal male biological imperative. And one thing is certain, with the advent of contraceptives, sex can be disconnected completely from procreation. Similarly, a woman can be impregnated without sex meaning that a heterosexual relationship is no longer essential to reproduction. We have only been in this world of sexual freedom for about 60 years. I do not think that society has fully evolved to deal with the reality that all of the rules have changed, but I know that choosing to have a child and raise a child involved much more than biological clocks -- and is not universal. I do agree that Adam was lucky to be born into a supportive family who accepted that Adam is Adam. But Adam is also living in a time that is more accepting of individuality and a wider variety of sexuality. And this is a very recent change. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 21, 2011 12:43:12 GMT -5
On the topic of religion and self-loathing gays (and because I'm stanning Bill Maher so hard this weekend) this scene is very indicative of so much of the conflict:
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