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Post by savvy92 on Aug 21, 2011 12:45:38 GMT -5
So to take it down to a basic level, a straight man's biological imperative is to procreate. If a man is not attracted to women and is not driven to procreate, this threatens survival of the species. It seems (again I'm talking biologically) that a straight man's chances of procreating are improved if there are some gay men around, since that means more women are available to the straight man. But if as you say the straight man is somehow deep down afraid that he himself may have homoerotic drives, then he himself becomes a threat, and so he lashes out at potential targets of the unwanted attraction. Hmm. It's a leap, but makes sense. I believe that another factor here is just good ol' fashioned misogyny. The attitude of straight men toward gay men is "They're like women! Ew! Gross!" I think a lot of men really don't like or respect feminine viewpoints or behaviors. They bear animosity toward women, and even more toward men whom they view as being like women. They resent what they see as a betrayal of masculine values. We've all come up with great explanations, but sometimes I think it's just that most people need SOMEONE to whom they can feel superior. That's why the no-make up pics of movie stars are staples of magazines, along with mug shots and beach pictures. With men, most are not evil and can interact comfortably with a gay man in the neighborhood or the workplace, but when with their buddies will laugh or make homophobic remarks. I have grown nephews who I love, both really good guys, educated, exemplary citizens, but when they get together with "the guys" who have been their friends since high school, they can be idiots. Twelve of them went skiing last winter and the highlight of their trip was when one of the guys, a naval officer, had to share a bed with another one, an FBI agent, and someone took a picture in the middle of the night of one's arm thrown over the other. The photographer didn't show it to anyone, but had posters made and sent them to all the men. My nephew has it hung in his office/entertainment room next to his signed U2 and Derek Jeter posters. Some men don't progress past 12 in their emotional behavior, but we love them anyway...... usually. |
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Post by mszue on Aug 21, 2011 12:47:17 GMT -5
So to take it down to a basic level, a straight man's biological imperative is to procreate. If a man is not attracted to women and is not driven to procreate, this threatens survival of the species. It seems (again I'm talking biologically) that a straight man's chances of procreating are improved if there are some gay men around, since that means more women are available to the straight man. But if as you say the straight man is somehow deep down afraid that he himself may have homoerotic drives, then he himself becomes a threat, and so he lashes out at potential targets of the unwanted attraction. Hmm. It's a leap, but makes sense. I believe that another factor here is just good ol' fashioned misogyny. The attitude of straight men toward gay men is "They're like women! Ew! Gross!" I think a lot of men really don't like or respect feminine viewpoints or behaviors. They bear animosity toward women, and even more toward men whom they view as being like women. They resent what they see as a betrayal of masculine values. I agree with you here too, Murly...and I wonder if it is the case that there is less 'fear' or angst from straight women over lesbians than straight men over gay men...and why this may be so, if it is so. I am excluding the 'religious' considerations here...I think....or is there any differences between genders here too?? interesting.... Could it be that until the 2nd wave feminist movement, women could 'pass' more easily and stay 'in the closet' because there was less feminine expectation of sexual pleasure so easier to accept one's lot in life, so to speak? |
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Post by wal on Aug 21, 2011 12:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by adamated on Aug 21, 2011 12:53:17 GMT -5
There's a nice color picture of Adam and Rose McGowan in the Pulse section of today's New York Post. The title under the picture is American Gothic. The caption says Adam Lambert and Rose McGowan vamp it up for the VH1 Do Something Awards. No idol. No gay. Just Adam Lambert. Nice. If I could scan it I would.
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 21, 2011 12:55:07 GMT -5
On the topic of religion and self-loathing gays (and because I'm stanning Bill Maher so hard this weekend) this scene is very indicative of so much of the conflict: OMG SusieFierce thank you. I enjoyed this so much!!! I adore Bill Maher! ;D |
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Post by spring2009 on Aug 21, 2011 12:58:03 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the term "mainline Protestant" to me?
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Post by savvy92 on Aug 21, 2011 12:59:11 GMT -5
Will stop spamming, but have to give a balancing point of view on religion. When not living in MB, I go to a mega church that is pretty fundamentalist, but the reason I love it is because they DO THINGS for people. Once a month they have a "single mothers Saturday" where members of the church help them out for free and with no preaching attached. Mechanics fix their cars, plumbers and carpenters spruce up their homes, and respite care workers babysit so mom can have a day out. No one asks if they are single moms because they SINNED or because they are divorced. All of the Bible is preached, not just the convenient parts. "Judge not" is just as important as "don't covet thy neighbor's wife."
Just as Adam and Hicklin are both gay yet worlds apart, the same is true in the Christian community.
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Post by melliemom on Aug 21, 2011 13:07:30 GMT -5
Regarding Hicklin being "up to his old tricks again." Aaron Hicklin blindsided Adam with the "2009 Open Letter". In 2009, Hicklin has done similar things to other people in the past. He did not give Adam a chance to provide a comment or response, he never told Adam there was an issue, and it is not even clear that he offered Adam the solo cover. Now there are a few good sources from both Out Mag staff and Adam's camp that Aaron Hicklin made promises to Adam to entice him back to Out Mag but that he is retrenching on those promises. The details may be mangled a bit -- but the consistent thing is that Hicklin is not doing what he promised. Leopards do not change their spots. In 2009 Hicklin blindsided Adam and treated him shabbily. I bought into the concept that the last thing Adam needed was to have a bunch of fans post comments or write letters to the editor. But I have learned a lot in the past couple of years -- and one thing I have learned is that a few thousand voices raised together can make a loud roar -- and Adam has more than just a few thousand committed fans. I think he has enough fans to shape public sentiment and to shift attitudes. There is little that would stir me to real action but IF there is a hint from the heinous Mr. Hicklin that Adam is not "the right kind of gay" I will be one of the loudest voices defending Adam's right, my right, anyone's right to be who I/you are. Finally, I wrote what I wrote mostly as a plea to the universe to make sure all is good and nothing bad happens to Adam. IMHO I think Hicklin will take credit for everything Adam has done in relationship to gay causes. Again just my opinion ,but he will cover himself with glory while spitting on Adam. I hope Adam doesn't have anything to do with 'OUT' magazine. |
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Post by Holst on Aug 21, 2011 13:08:40 GMT -5
Can anyone help me? Yesterday I tried to order the Peace Pendant thru the Pennyroyal studio and was unable to complete the order. Everytime I finnished putting in all my info it kept directing me back to the review my order section . After I reviewed, it would do it again. I was never able to complete and submit my order! I am very frustrated. I even emailed Tim at the studio. He tried to help but never saw the order. Also each time I reviewed, at the end it would up the order to 2 items! Very strange. Can you order by phone? Email him again and ask. He surely wants to make the sale. |
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Post by rama on Aug 21, 2011 13:09:23 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the term "mainline Protestant" to me? Mainline Protestants refers to larger established Protestant denominations such as Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopalian |
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