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Post by murly on Feb 22, 2011 16:05:43 GMT -5
Before I got off on my cookie tangent (mmmmm, cookies!), I meant to add that I also love this part of midwifespal's post. I do believe that people are born gay--how does one force one's self to be attracted to another person?--but so what if they're not? I hear homophobes complain that being gay isn't "natural." Well, what is natural? I don't see animals wearing clothes, eating with forks, or using computers. It could be argued that none of those things are "natural," but I don't see a lot of argument against them, except maybe from the Amish about computers.
It really baffles me as to why anyone would have a problem with the sex/love life of any other consenting adults. I have yet to hear a valid explanation of how allowing gays to marry would affect anyone else's marriage.
ETA: Aspen, the story about your nephew is so adorable! I hope he gets support if when he grows up he still wants to kiss Adam.
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Post by gelly14 on Feb 22, 2011 16:11:55 GMT -5
Before I got off on my cookie tangent (mmmmm, cookies!), I meant to add that I also love this part of midwifespal's post. I do believe that people are born gay--how does one force one's self to be attracted to another person?--but so what if they're not? I hear homophobes complain that being gay isn't "natural." Well, what is natural? I don't see animals wearing clothes, eating with forks, or using computers. It could be argued that none of those things are "natural," but I don't see a lot of argument against them, except maybe from the Amish about computers. It really baffles me as to why anyone would have a problem with the sex/love life of any other consenting adults. I have yet to hear a valid explanation of how allowing gays to marry would affect anyone else's marriage. ETA: Aspen, the story about your nephew is so adorable! I hope he gets support if when he grows up he still wants to kiss Adam. I can give you a valid explanation at least this is what they answer me when i ask them. They are afraid that their children will "catch" the same disease just like you catch chickenpox. :  Yes i'm laughing there is really nothing i can do to change their minds, so i let them be, but very far away from me. |
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Post by aspen on Feb 22, 2011 16:15:34 GMT -5
jackiejcollins Would love to see Madonna & @adamlambert record something together
about 6 hours ago via SocialOomph
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Post by wal on Feb 22, 2011 16:19:34 GMT -5
Amaaazing, wow!!! The fact that people still donating even after the goal has been met is awesome. |
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Post by PostFestumPF on Feb 22, 2011 16:20:15 GMT -5
As someone who is very scientifically inclined (though not very scientifically adept), I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone fits strictly into a box of any sort without any fuzzy edges, and those edges are blurred in part, probably, by nature, but in part also by the choices we make--by our "preferences," to use Adam's word. And I like that--I think it's wonderful to celebrate choice and preference. Similarly, when Adam uses the word "lifestyle" in defiance of the political rules of a movement he firmly supports, I think of him and his crazy underground clubbing, and costumes, and friends, and all the choices he makes to live his life a certain way that are only tangentially linked to his sexuality. SO every time Adam uses a word like lifestyle or preference I stuff down the knee-reaction cringe that my liberal, politically-attuned world has trained me to feel, and instead smile at it as a celebration of his choices: to shape his life and his persona exactly as he wants them, to love whomever he wants to love for the right, personal reasons, to escape any boxes whatsoever. Even if he is as gay as dancing rainbow-glitter leprechaun. Awesome post, Midwifespal! I'm in no way expert in gay rights or whatever it is that Adam might mean when he chooses to use the words "preference" or "lifestyle". Anyway, here's my 2 cents... rambling here so scroll is your friend... LOL I feel that they are non-intrusive words for the mainstream use and he uses them because they are vague, leaving room for interpretation. Emphasizing to the fact that even if you are born certain way, you still have control over your lifestyle and you can own your choices. At the end of the GLAAD performance he pointed out that he wanted to advocate the diversity in the gay and lesbian community. Weather you are straight or gay, each person is an individual and a human being first. Some might identify themselves through their profession, some by being a parent and I think this changes depending at what stage in life you are. After a (long) list of things comes the sexuality, no matter what kind of a role it may play in your life. Some are lucky to know early on who they are and are able to follow that path. Some know, but are not able to be open and perhaps end up living a a life that they are not totally comfortable with. Some learn/understand things later in life and are able to make new *lifestyle* choices. Some might even choose to suppress their sexuality alltogether. Some are hungry for life and want to "get high on life" and leave the box open... So the life we lead is partly who we were born, partly what we learn in life and what we make of the opportunities presented to us. Adam's lifestyle to me is all about "of wanting more and making it happen", Carpe Diem. I believe Adam knows what those words represent in the "gay context", but he wants to push buttons, in a nice way, make people open up to look things in a new way. I know I have, and I'm eager to learn more. |
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Post by aspen on Feb 22, 2011 16:22:37 GMT -5
Before I got off on my cookie tangent (mmmmm, cookies!), I meant to add that I also love this part of midwifespal's post. I do believe that people are born gay--how does one force one's self to be attracted to another person?--but so what if they're not? I hear homophobes complain that being gay isn't "natural." Well, what is natural? I don't see animals wearing clothes, eating with forks, or using computers. It could be argued that none of those things are "natural," but I don't see a lot of argument against them, except maybe from the Amish about computers. It really baffles me as to why anyone would have a problem with the sex/love life of any other consenting adults. I have yet to hear a valid explanation of how allowing gays to marry would affect anyone else's marriage. ETA: Aspen, the story about your nephew is so adorable! I hope he gets support if when he grows up he still wants to kiss Adam. Well, he'd certainly get it from me. His mom, too, not sure about Dad, good guy but don't think he's ever thought about anything that intense. He's kind of the Kelli Pickler of the family, very cute but IT(HE) AIN'T THAT DEEP, if you know what I mean. Comments like that are why I will talk Adam to family members but not ATOP. This is MY place and since censoring myself is not my best attribute, probably best for family peace that they think I'm working on the computer, not stalking my rock gawd. |
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Post by cookie on Feb 22, 2011 16:22:43 GMT -5
Before I got off on my cookie tangent (mmmmm, cookies!), I meant to add that I also love this part of midwifespal's post. I do believe that people are born gay--how does one force one's self to be attracted to another person?--but so what if they're not? I hear homophobes complain that being gay isn't "natural." Well, what is natural? I don't see animals wearing clothes, eating with forks, or using computers. It could be argued that none of those things are "natural," but I don't see a lot of argument against them, except maybe from the Amish about computers. It really baffles me as to why anyone would have a problem with the sex/love life of any other consenting adults. I have yet to hear a valid explanation of how allowing gays to marry would affect anyone else's marriage. I love it when we use words almost as much as when Adam does. Murly- I like your list of what is or isn't "natural"- I don't know why others can't see this as clearly as we do. I'm straight, but I have a fairly large number of gay and lesbian friends. I got "schooled" a long time ago about not using the words preference or lifestyle. I didn't matter to me which words I used, but since it mattered to them I changed. I haven't thought about it in years, but today's conversation has really caught my attention. I've always wondered about Adam's use of the words, since I am aware that these can be loaded for some people. One of the things I love about Adam is the fabulous, and typically purposeful, way he uses words. I like the idea that while he is not hedging his bets on his sexuality (I AM gay) he is putting his life in context. My own take on Adam is that many of the things that non-fans say make him clearly gay (for example eyeliner) are not about orientation, but about his personality and his life within the gay community. I don't think I'm saying this clearly. What I mean is that none of my gay friends wear eyeliner- that is not an identifier for gay. He looks more old school rock 'n roll in many ways than he does gay, at least among the gay men I know. This may be what he was trying to say at the GLAAD awards he attended, about wanting more diversity in the gay community. And why preferences and lifestyle are a subject within an orientation. |
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Post by nonotme on Feb 22, 2011 16:23:50 GMT -5
I'm doing a brief scan of the thread and am back on page 8-
midwifespal, aspen, murly, and mys*&@^#r, I like your discussion of the words Adam uses (chooses to use?). I've always thought that sometimes he may be simply falling back on common, though now out-of-favor, phrases without thinking about it, but that most often he is indicating:
orientation = gay
preference, or "who I choose to sleep with" = he chooses boys, of course, because his orientation is gay
lifestyle = the choice to be out and proud, also the choice to be open about all the various areas of his life
Got to run to an appointment now-
peace&love
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Post by smokeyvera on Feb 22, 2011 16:48:12 GMT -5
I'm doing a brief scan of the thread and am back on page 8- midwifespal, aspen, murly, and mys*&@^#r, I like your discussion of the words Adam uses (chooses to use?). I've always thought that sometimes he may be simply falling back on common, though now out-of-favor, phrases without thinking about it, but that most often he is indicating: orientation = gay preference, or "who I choose to sleep with" = he chooses boys, of course, because his orientation is gay lifestyle = the choice to be out and proud, also the choice to be open about all the various areas of his life Got to run to an appointment now- peace&love Exactly !!!!!! I like the definitions. Been gone for what seems an eternity, and I come back to a discussion of chocolate, oatmeal and peanut butter cookies. Actually all 3 combined make a fabulous cookie. I have this secret recipe that is to die for. I know a little late, but those pics in Bora Bora, Adam is such a stud. I don't think he retired those turquoise shorts, I think they are in bathing suit rotation. However, there is also the posssibility, since he really checks out twitter - since the turquoise trunks were in Mexico, Bali, Hawaii and Florida - he needed to provide us with a new discussion point. He might also be thinking, just in case paps do take pics, he wanted to show that he does have mutiple trunks and that we would be totally thrilled to see new trunks, that were more appealing. Of course we are thrilled to death. Those are amazing trunks and filled out quite nicely. Did I say he looked rather studly. |
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Post by PostFestumPF on Feb 22, 2011 16:51:35 GMT -5
Angelkrash, PM'd you.
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