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Post by elaevans on Oct 30, 2018 20:40:37 GMT -5
Nope, no troll. I just think he should be a legend that's why I'm talking about it. In 20, 50 years from now nobody will know who Kelly Clarkson was. Cher - hard to say, probably the same situation Cher has already had a 50 yr career. Barbara Streisand, Toni Bennett, Bette Midler. None wrote their own songs. If you are arguing he's not a better writer because he plays no instrument, possibly. If you are arguing he can't be successful unless he writes, not true. However he doesn't seem interested in just choosing demo songs, so not sure what you are even saying anymore. He's doing it his way, even if that means he's not meeting up to your legend standards. I'm not talking about being successful I'm talking about being a legend. Adam deserves it but somehow he isn't even popular. His lyrics - not so great, but he always is a co-writer so maybe not his fault? Something doesn't work in his case, I'm wondering what. Any ideas?
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Post by blackqueen65 on Oct 30, 2018 20:42:35 GMT -5
Cher has already had a 50 yr career. Barbara Streisand, Toni Bennett, Bette Midler. None wrote their own songs. If you are arguing he's not a better writer because he plays no instrument, possibly. If you are arguing he can't be successful unless he writes, not true. However he doesn't seem interested in just choosing demo songs, so not sure what you are even saying anymore. He's doing it his way, even if that means he's not meeting up to your legend standards. I'm not talking about being successful I'm talking about being a legend. Adam deserves it but somehow he isn't even popular. His lyrics - not so great, but he always is a co-writer so maybe not his fault? Something doesn't work in his case, I'm wondering what. Any ideas? Just how do you work out he isn't popular? And Britney Spears is popular, will she be a legend?
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Post by elaevans on Oct 30, 2018 20:46:54 GMT -5
True but I have problem with him touring with Queen. He's doing amazing job but it's not creative, he's not Freddie;) it's more about money. If you want to be Queen without Freddie write new songs with Adam, but oops he can't compose... They have their own reasons for not writing music together but you can be sure it's nothing to do with not being able to compose. Do you seriously imagine Brian, Roger, Spike and Adam couldn't work together to compose music, he wouldn't need to play an instrument for that, have you seen the way Queen wrote some of their music? If not I suggest you take a stroll through YouTube, you'll see their songwriting process is nothing like you seem to be imagining. And writing oops while trying to pretend you aren't a troll doesn't really cut it!! yes, I've seen their songwriting process but Roger, Brian, Freddie, John- all composers. It's different process to create a song among people who can play instruments.
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Post by relaxingoceanfront on Oct 30, 2018 20:50:33 GMT -5
Cher has already had a 50 yr career. Barbara Streisand, Toni Bennett, Bette Midler. None wrote their own songs. If you are arguing he's not a better writer because he plays no instrument, possibly. If you are arguing he can't be successful unless he writes, not true. However he doesn't seem interested in just choosing demo songs, so not sure what you are even saying anymore. He's doing it his way, even if that means he's not meeting up to your legend standards. I'm not talking about being successful I'm talking about being a legend. Adam deserves it but somehow he isn't even popular. His lyrics - not so great, but he always is a co-writer so maybe not his fault? Something doesn't work in his case, I'm wondering what. Any ideas? Why does he have to be a legend? Have you ever thought about what kind of personal sacrifice comes for these legends? I think anyone would be crazy to want that, personally. Successful is more than adequate for me. And I think he'd say 'thank you for your input, Wanda'
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Post by 4EverAdam on Oct 30, 2018 20:50:53 GMT -5
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Post by blackqueen65 on Oct 30, 2018 20:53:53 GMT -5
They have their own reasons for not writing music together but you can be sure it's nothing to do with not being able to compose. Do you seriously imagine Brian, Roger, Spike and Adam couldn't work together to compose music, he wouldn't need to play an instrument for that, have you seen the way Queen wrote some of their music? If not I suggest you take a stroll through YouTube, you'll see their songwriting process is nothing like you seem to be imagining. And writing oops while trying to pretend you aren't a troll doesn't really cut it!! yes, I've seen their songwriting process but Roger, Brian, Freddie, John- all composers. It's different process to create a song among people who can play instruments. If you've seen their process you'll have noticed Freddie didn't always play when in the studio, they came in with a vague concept, a few lyrics on a bit of paper, he mimed what he wanted Rog to do, asked Brian to do a bit more of a riff here and there, sang a few lines, played around with the melody a bit more, all done by just saying what he was going for, no reason Adam couldn't do that, just because he doesn't play piano etc doesn't mean he has no ear for what sound he wants. Lyrics don't require an instrument, no reason he can't do those at all. Hence you have four people, three who play and write music/lyrics and one who can write lyrics and say what he likes/doesn't like regarding the music. That was Queen's process and it could apply to Queen +, if they wanted it which they obviously don't at the moment. They're all happy just playing live and going off in between to do their own thing and it works.
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Post by elaevans on Oct 30, 2018 20:55:22 GMT -5
I'm not talking about being successful I'm talking about being a legend. Adam deserves it but somehow he isn't even popular. His lyrics - not so great, but he always is a co-writer so maybe not his fault? Something doesn't work in his case, I'm wondering what. Any ideas? Why does he have to be a legend? Have you ever thought about what kind of personal sacrifice comes for these legends? I think anyone would be crazy to want that, personally. Successful is more than adequate for me. And I think he'd say 'thank you for your input, Wanda' fine by me.
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Post by blackqueen65 on Oct 30, 2018 20:59:34 GMT -5
I'm not talking about being successful I'm talking about being a legend. Adam deserves it but somehow he isn't even popular. His lyrics - not so great, but he always is a co-writer so maybe not his fault? Something doesn't work in his case, I'm wondering what. Any ideas? Why does he have to be a legend? Have you ever thought about what kind of personal sacrifice comes for these legends? I think anyone would be crazy to want that, personally. Successful is more than adequate for me. And I think he'd say 'thank you for your input, Wanda' I agree with that, it comes at a high price and in a lot of cases didn't seem to make them particularly happy. Adam has a great balance at the moment, he's successful and gets enough press attention when he's out at events etc but he can still do normal things without being accosted by paparazzi at every turn.
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Post by elaevans on Oct 30, 2018 21:00:52 GMT -5
yes, I've seen their songwriting process but Roger, Brian, Freddie, John- all composers. It's different process to create a song among people who can play instruments. If you've seen their process you'll have noticed Freddie didn't always play when in the studio, they came in with a vague concept, a few lyrics on a bit of paper, he mimed what he wanted Rog to do, asked Brian to do a bit more of a riff here and there, sang a few lines, played around with the melody a bit more, all done by just saying what he was going for, no reason Adam couldn't do that, just because he doesn't play piano etc doesn't mean he has no ear for what sound he wants. Lyrics don't require an instrument, no reason he can't do those at all. Hence you have four people, three who play and write music/lyrics and one who can write lyrics and say what he likes/doesn't like regarding the music. That was Queen's process and it could apply to Queen +, if they wanted it which they obviously don't at the moment. They're all happy just playing live and going off in between to do their own thing and it works. can you play? Of course he could write great lyrics without instruments but somehow he didn't.
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Post by blackqueen65 on Oct 30, 2018 21:04:38 GMT -5
If you've seen their process you'll have noticed Freddie didn't always play when in the studio, they came in with a vague concept, a few lyrics on a bit of paper, he mimed what he wanted Rog to do, asked Brian to do a bit more of a riff here and there, sang a few lines, played around with the melody a bit more, all done by just saying what he was going for, no reason Adam couldn't do that, just because he doesn't play piano etc doesn't mean he has no ear for what sound he wants. Lyrics don't require an instrument, no reason he can't do those at all. Hence you have four people, three who play and write music/lyrics and one who can write lyrics and say what he likes/doesn't like regarding the music. That was Queen's process and it could apply to Queen +, if they wanted it which they obviously don't at the moment. They're all happy just playing live and going off in between to do their own thing and it works. can you play? No but I don't think that matters, they don't need my input.
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