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Post by Sunflower on Feb 24, 2011 11:10:42 GMT -5
How about a different look at appreciating the fans to lighten up the mood a little bit? I remember watching Gaga (I think it was Gaga but could have been Taylor Swift - LOL! IKR) and she kept saying 'I LOVE my fans, I LOVE my fans...' and all I could think was OF COURSE, you love your fans. You don't know shit about your fans except that they LOVE YOU. In a roundabout way, that's the most narcissistic thing. LOL!
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Post by CanadianFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:11:22 GMT -5
Kittykay I have to, in good conscience, post so that you don't take all the heat for this feeling. After Adam's twitter rant, I contacted AO and requested they cancel my order for the live DVD, t-shirt and map. I informed them that I was tired of supporting an artist who regularly criticized the extreme fans on twitter and, proportionally spent very little time mentioning his extremely loyal, generous fanbase. This makes the whole fanbase look bad and then it gets posted on blogs where nonfans make fun of the entire fanbase. I suspect that most people who follow Adam on twitter are not fans and will tweet WHATEVER they feel like tweeting. Adam's yelling at them will be totally ineffective. Sorry, but Kittykay is not alone in her feelings. At least one other fan, who has spent tons of money on Adam and has donated to both his charities, feels the same.
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Post by 4Ms on Feb 24, 2011 11:11:35 GMT -5
Here is the T shirt for charity. $9 seems too little to me. Does anyone have the Adam tweets being discussed?? I am guessing that they take into account how much the material costs/how much it takes to pay whoever is making the shirts when they determine how much to donate to charity. In a perfect world 100% would be donated, but sometimes that's just not feasible. I'm no expert but to me 9 dollars is pretty good (beter than nothing) when I see some for charity products only donating a few cents on the dollar or whatnot. *shrugs* Like I said, better than nothing and better than some stars who don't do this stuff anyways. I do agree they are ugly though. God, let someone with some design experience or originality or whatever take over the fan merch stuff. I am sure bc he is s busy it's the last thing on his mind, but since merch can be a big $$ maker it would be advantageous for him to get some unique and quality products that people would actually want to pay those high fees for--and not just the fans who will buy anything. It would interest me to know the actual costs of producing and marketing the T shirt. However, I think the perception of this gesture is important and $20 for charity out of $29 would look much better. It's only my free opinion, take it for what it's worth.
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Post by kanadiebonttell on Feb 24, 2011 11:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by lynne on Feb 24, 2011 11:14:55 GMT -5
((((((((kittykay)))))) Honestly, I am amazed at how often Adam does remember to thank the fans compared to most artists. And I will say that when he thanks us in interviews, I feel he genuinely means it it, and that it is heartfelt compared to the way those kinds of thanks come across from other artists. I don't expect anything from Adam on a personal level. I support him in any way I can because I love how he entertains me, and he entertains me on every level... His music, his interviews, his fashion sense, his model poses, all of it makes my life more fun and joyful. I supported CharityWater because it is a good cause and because of Adam, a double whammy. I throw my money his way so that the powers that be will know what I want in the way of entertainment as a consumer. And I feel good about making my statement that way because I can, and that empowers me as well. When Adam succeeds, it is rewarding to me because Adam as an entertainer is a cause I back. And so I will have his back, because it takes a large, active fan base to get labels to keep investing in artists financially, and I want more Adam in my life. Honestly, I can see from my own son, who is currently putting out a single in March and finishing up a CD, doing interviews, deciding about cover art and music videos and meeting with his label, that even doing these things at his small level is overwhelming and that it takes over his life. He is busy every second of every day. He rarely finds time to communicate with his own real family, let alone his family of fans, and he only has a handful of them to manage as opposed to Adam. I have learned, as a parent, not to expect much from my own grown children even though they owe me everything, LOL. They are busy doing their lives and fulfilling their own dreams. Anytime and any way they add to my life is a blessing I 'll take and consciously enjoy, but I work at not demanding anything from them, because then they wouldn't enjoy giving it as much to me. I will continue to support their efforts, and my reward will be the joy I feel with them when they succeed and whatever tidbits of their lives they happen to throw my way, LOL. In the meantime, the main focus of my life will be about continuing to try to fulfill my own dreams. I mention this because that is somewhat my attitude about Adam. Although I don't feel a bit motherly towards Adam, as I have previously mentioned, LOL! I guess the way I follow him as a fan is somewhat similar to what I have just expressed. I don't need to hear Adam thank me, though I am always touched when he does. And I guess I'm fairly pragmatic. As far as the merch, in the end, although Adam is an artist, Adam and company are a business; it is about making money as well as making art. Although I do agree with many about the fugly Tshirts, ;D ;D ;D
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Post by lynneville on Feb 24, 2011 11:15:00 GMT -5
AMW!!!!!!!!!! Get it, girl!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by aspen on Feb 24, 2011 11:17:51 GMT -5
posted by babie I really really really hope that Adam does not fall into the trap of making artistic decisions based on what the crazies might do with it. You are implying here that the whole Tommy interaction was a mistake because of what a few crazy people are twisting it into. If artists worried about that then the majority of the great works of art would never have been created. Believe me that is a slippery slope you do not want Adam going down. Given Adam's largely heterosexual audience and Adam's insistence on being authentically sexual on stage I think he is doing way more positive good for the advancement of gay rights than a lot of other things out there. The positive affects more than outweigh the negatives of a few crazies that are going to find something to be crazy about no matter what he does. I would never trade the value of Adam's visibility for the dubious safety of trying not to trigger the cray cray. Also if you think the fantasy started with kissing Tommy you slipped in your research. The nutjobs have been there before and will be long after and they don't begin and end with Adam either. They are nutjobs and they don't need and excuse to be cray cray. I also hope you understood from the other day that the majority of "shippers" don't truly believe the stuff and its only the very vocal few who have lost touch with reality. I agree with much of what you say, don't disagree with any of it. There is no way someone out of the public eye, let alone in it, can please everyone. This whole Tommy business is so absurd. It was fun, it was FYE, I love Tommy, but it wasn't HIM nor Adam who is at fault for the crazies. People grab hold of some small tidbit and blow it into epic proportions no matter if it is a sound bite from a politician, a verse of the Bible, or an onstage kiss. In spite of being very much a people person I am realistic enough to admit a decent percentage of them are idiots whose power of rational thought is limited. There is no other way to explain all the craziness that goes on in the world. I adore Adam and think he is mature enough to evaluate what he has learned this past year and apply it. He is not one to play it safe, so if he wants to cause a little trouble, a la the Tommy kiss, he will, or he may just decide to play it straight, not that kind of straight, and be more the singer than the showman. Whatever he chooses, his fans will have to stay with him or not. About Adam changing: of course, he's changed, but that is not a bad thing. We would all like to get a personal thank you note from Adam, but really, let's be real. I always remember something my sister said, from Ann Landers I think, that says, "A gift is not a gift if you expect something in return." We give to Adam's charities to honor him, but also because it makes us feel good. He prods us to do things we should have been doing all along. It's a little ludicrous to me to have hurt feelings over the lack of a spontaneous thank you when many of our own children never send thank you's. In a perfect world, Adam would have no faults. In reality, sorry but I really feel this way, he comes pretty darn close to perfection, but we have to remember that just because so much of our time and attention is focused on him, does not mean he has the time to return the favor all the time. Bottom line, he didn't put himself up for sainthood and neither should we. He's a man, a hot, kind, smart, silly, talented man, but a man, not Mother Theresa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 11:20:02 GMT -5
I have an unpopular opinion and hope you guys can help. I want you to point out flaws in my thought process because I don't want to feel this way. Well, ooookay. I will. I will point out . . . another way to look at some things.I am feeling unappreciated as A fan . . . . The latest is Charity:Water. I don't feel unappreciated as a fan. I don't feel Adam owes me anything because I don't know him and I'm not personally doing him any favors. He provides art, entertainment, ideas, personality, and "pretty," which I, as a pop cultural consumer, enjoy. Also, happily, because of my fandom, I've happened upon this place, which is an enjoyable outlet for my desire to think and share about said art, entertainment, ideas, etc.
I gave to Charity: Water because I wanted to. With charity, I believe the reward is always and only how it makes you feel as a human to try to do good. Making it about Adam rather than the charity is not something Adam did.Then yesterday offering A shirt about Charity:Water that is overpriced with only A small portion going to the charity. It felt like taking advantage of the generous nature of the fans. It would have been nice to say we designed this shirt as A memento, all proceeds go to Charity:Water. Look at the the comments - I am not alone on this one. Adam tweeting pictures with celebrities just made that feeling worse. I don't buy shirts. No one has to and shouldn't if they don't think it's a good deal.I feel this is happening because the people in Adam's life that have kept him grounded are all benefiting from Adam's success. Can Monte, Allison, Lee and Scarlett hold the diva behavior in place when they are reaping the rewards of being in Adam's circle? Neil can always bring Adam back to reality, but is halfway around the world. I am not part of nor have any stake in Adam Lambert's actual personal life/family. This is my first time around as A fangirl and maybe this is natural. I still feel Adam has the most phenomenal voice I have heard in my lifetime, but unless something changes I won't feel the fan investment I once did. Only because you asked for feedback - with love, perhaps that is a good thing?I will buy the album, but not actively request on radio,buy CD's to randomly leave where they can be found or barter with my teens to place Adam's music on facebook. Ditto. Still feeling hurt. People I don't personally know - stars, celebrities, etc. don't have the power to hurt me. Adam Lambert is not my friend, my family, nor is he a politician or other figure who wields power over my life. The vast majority of us have done nothing but support Adam in every way possible. To lump all fans in with the few "Cray" is as bad as others lumping all "gays" together. I have not supported him in every possible way. Just the ways I've wanted to, chosen to, and enjoyed. Lumping fans together, which I don't think he did, is also not like lumping gays together because only one group is a minority whose civil rights aren't protected in much of the world.Adam was no less talented in 2005 than in 2011. The difference is us! "Us"? I do not feel this way at all. The difference is that Adam Lambert took chances, worked extremely hard, improved his craft, and put himself out there in many ways so that people could hear/see if they liked him. I did. I did not personally ferret him out of the LA club scene. (Though I'm not on the same wavelength with you on much, I do think you put yourself out here pretty fearlessly with your thoughts.)
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Post by thespindleshay on Feb 24, 2011 11:20:03 GMT -5
Not going to try and argue anyone out of the way they feel, but my thought is that if you are feeling unappreciated as a fan then perhaps you are overinvested and should back away from fandom guilt-free.
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Post by stampsgal on Feb 24, 2011 11:20:34 GMT -5
To change the subject for a minute! I am going to see Rock of Ages tomorrow!!!! I'll let you all know which part I think would be perfect for Adam! LOL! ;D Have a grand time! Waiting for your comments! And amen spindleshay!Sit back, relax and enjoy...no typing required... Mash-up fan vidBowie and Adam www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHu1Y6h_aTo&feature=player_embedded
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