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Post by rihannsu on Feb 24, 2011 10:22:33 GMT -5
I have an unpopular opinion and hope you guys can help. I want you to point out flaws in my thought process because I don't want to feel this way. I am feeling unappreciated as A fan. One of the things that has endeared me to Adam is his realness. He is losing that IMO. It started with the creation of ALF. It offered us nothing new outside paid M&G, just quick money. The latest is Charity:Water. Adam's acknowledgement felt like A kid who's mother made him write A thank you note. Lane's follow up on ALF was "Mom" making A better thank you. He went on "The Talk" and seemed to not even know how much was raised or much about the charity. He was briefed (probably by "Mom") for the later interviews. It would have been nice if Adam had made A gesture to donate. Putting the last $10,000 in when the fans had it to $280,000 on his birthday. I was already feeling this when Adam felt the need to scold his fanbase once again. He then tried to make nice after the temper tantrum, felt like "Mom" again. Then yesterday offering A shirt about Charity:Water that is overpriced with only A small portion going to the charity. It felt like taking advantage of the generous nature of the fans. It would have been nice to say we designed this shirt as A memento, all proceeds go to Charity:Water. Look at the the comments - I am not alone on this one. Adam tweeting pictures with celebrities just made that feeling worse. I feel this is happening because the people in Adam's life that have kept him grounded are all benefiting from Adam's success. Can Monte, Allison, Lee and Scarlett hold the diva behavior in place when they are reaping the rewards of being in Adam's circle? Neil can always bring Adam back to reality, but is halfway around the world. This is my first time around as A fangirl and maybe this is natural. I still feel Adam has the most phenomenal voice I have heard in my lifetime, but unless something changes I won't feel the fan investment I once did. I will buy the album, but not actively request on radio,buy CD's to randomly leave where they can be found or barter with my teens to place Adam's music on facebook. I know I am not alone. I feel the core fanbase eroding. I want to have the passion back. I stepped away from fandom for A few days after the spanking this week. I had a travel day yesterday and spent the whole day driving with Adam's music. Still feeling hurt. The vast majority of us have done nothing but support Adam in every way possible. To lump all fans in with the few "Cray" is as bad as others lumping all "gays" together. Adam was no less talented in 2005 than in 2011. The difference is us! Warning! I took a long time typing this so god knows it's probably going to come at the end of pile-up and if so I apologize but this hits a button for me on the whole fan expectation and entitlement thing so I'm gonna post it anyway. I think the flaw in your thought process is all about expecting something outside of Adam's art and entertainment in return for being a fan. FAN doesn't equal FRIEND. It's not enough that he has thanked and defended his fans in pretty much EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW EVER just because he hasn't done it enough on twitter? The charity:water campaign lest you forgot was to redirect whatever gifting energy the fans were looking to expend for his birthday and you are implying there is requirement for him to satisfy some arbitrary level of acknowledgement in order to justify a birthday gift? He should have made a visible donation to the charity???? So he should give himself a largely visible Birthday gift, cue accusations of narcissism. How can you twist pictures with other celebs into diva behavior, I don't even know how to figure that one out. Being a fan of an artist is NOT about some kind of relationship with that person. It doesn't give you the right to demand things of them. If that's what being a fan is to you then good luck finding any artist that can give up their lives to trying to please the fans. There will never be a way to satisfy the demand. We are FANS not friends. As much as we would like to be his friend and as much as HE would like to be OUR friend it just isn't possible. Just because technology allows us to communicate more directly doesn't mean that we should get a say in his everyday life or that he has to met some arbitrary level of response. His fan smack down was delivered specifically to fans who were hating on people. Why would you be offended by that if you are not one of those fans? Why on earth would what he says to those fans affect you. Why would a comment like that on twitter erase the countless times he has thanked and defended his fans. Makes NO sense to ME. Underappreciated as a fan - since when did being appreciated become a requirement. How is any artist supposed to determine what level of response will keep a fan feeling appreciated. Being a fan is supposed to be about what you get from the artist's ART not what you get from them as a person. Yes, we love Adam as a person and I personally am a fan of Adam the person but I don't make the mistake of thinking that I can have any kind of direct relationship with him and I don't require any response from him. If I am going to stop being a fan of him as a person it would be because of the way he treats the people he personally knows not the way he treats his fanbase. Or if he was mean to fans in face to face interaction but not some online fanclub. Adam has said that twitter is where he communicates directly but he has never used it for just conversational interactions. He has used it to address rumors or things fans are doing. He tends to focus on the positive so I see no reason to think his follow up tweet with a positive message was somehow prompted by his mom. As for the merchandise. I will never understand how simply offering merchandise for sale can be construed as ripping people off or taking advantage of fans. NO ONE is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy ANYTHING. If a fan cannot control the buying impulse this is not the artist's problem. Bono talked about this during the last U2 release cycle when fans were complaining that there were 5 different version of the album available. Bono talked about the fact that they were trying to offer as many options as possible at different price points so that people could choose what level they wanted. The plain album was at a reasonable price to make it more accessible and there were varying levels of extras so that it wasn't just a huge jump in price to some super deluxe package. Yet there were loud complaints from fans who felt that they had to buy everything. Bono stated then that there is only a very very small percentage of fans who are completists and feel they need to own everything, unfortunately due to the internet they are also the most vocal. It is unfair to the majority to cater to just those who scream the loudest. If you don't like the charity:water shirt you don't have to buy it. It's not the end of the world if you don't have everything Adam puts out. If you do buy it you get the benefit of supporting Adam financially as well as donating to charity. Where is the negative in that. If the design doesn't satisfy then don't buy it. No design is going to satisfy everyone. I'm perfectly happy with many of the shirts that a lot of fans are ridiculing. If I'm wearing one of those shirts are they going to jeer at me for being fashion stupid? When the paid website went up they didn't shut down the free one so it is still available to anyone who doesn't want to pay. If you don't like the paid one I'm sure you could complain to customer service and maybe even get your money back. But all of these things are EXTRAS. Adam's main focus is his art as it should be. I for one don't want him wasting time haunting his website I want him to live his life and make music and give live performances. THAT is where his focus should be, NOT on trying to satisfy every fans level of appreciation meter. |
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Post by babie on Feb 24, 2011 10:22:56 GMT -5
posted by babie I really really really hope that Adam does not fall into the trap of making artistic decisions based on what the crazies might do with it. You are implying here that the whole Tommy interaction was a mistake because of what a few crazy people are twisting it into. If artists worried about that then the majority of the great works of art would never have been created. Believe me that is a slippery slope you do not want Adam going down. Given Adam's largely heterosexual audience and Adam's insistence on being authentically sexual on stage I think he is doing way more positive good for the advancement of gay rights than a lot of other things out there. The positive affects more than outweigh the negatives of a few crazies that are going to find something to be crazy about no matter what he does. I would never trade the value of Adam's visibility for the dubious safety of trying not to trigger the cray cray.Also if you think the fantasy started with kissing Tommy you slipped in your research. The nutjobs have been there before and will be long after and they don't begin and end with Adam either. They are nutjobs and they don't need and excuse to be cray cray. I also hope you understood from the other day that the majority of "shippers" don't truly believe the stuff and its only the very vocal few who have lost touch with reality. Thanks for your reply. Lets be clear here: Are you one of the shippers is that why it touched a nerve? Are you suggesting that Adam kissing hetrosexual Tommy has not created confusion then you are naive? Who spoke about visibility based on what? You can be critical of this research for all you want but its all clear to see what's going on here. I said very clearly 'some'? So what are you going on about gay rights. I am all for it if not I would not be a fan otherwise. The only thing I got from your post is that you want Adam to continue his shows as the way they are. After six months of 'the crazies' as you call them cant get enough. I say NO The music must be the focus as I said in my post and nothing else and I stick by my views. I love Adam's music and his personality. I will speak my mind when I need to. I am sure Adam is concerned about this problem thats why he twitted it. As a fan I am really scared for him. Regards Babie. |
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Post by glamtealady on Feb 24, 2011 10:24:17 GMT -5
I have an unpopular opinion and hope you guys can help. I want you to point out flaws in my thought process because I don't want to feel this way. I am feeling unappreciated as A fan. One of the things that has endeared me to Adam is his realness. He is losing that IMO. It started with the creation of ALF. It offered us nothing new outside paid M&G, just quick money. The latest is Charity:Water. Adam's acknowledgement felt like A kid who's mother made him write A thank you note. Lane's follow up on ALF was "Mom" making A better thank you. He went on "The Talk" and seemed to not even know how much was raised or much about the charity. He was briefed (probably by "Mom") for the later interviews. It would have been nice if Adam had made A gesture to donate. Putting the last $10,000 in when the fans had it to $280,000 on his birthday. I was already feeling this when Adam felt the need to scold his fanbase once again. He then tried to make nice after the temper tantrum, felt like "Mom" again. Then yesterday offering A shirt about Charity:Water that is overpriced with only A small portion going to the charity. It felt like taking advantage of the generous nature of the fans. It would have been nice to say we designed this shirt as A memento, all proceeds go to Charity:Water. Look at the the comments - I am not alone on this one. Adam tweeting pictures with celebrities just made that feeling worse. I feel this is happening because the people in Adam's life that have kept him grounded are all benefiting from Adam's success. Can Monte, Allison, Lee and Scarlett hold the diva behavior in place when they are reaping the rewards of being in Adam's circle? Neil can always bring Adam back to reality, but is halfway around the world. This is my first time around as A fangirl and maybe this is natural. I still feel Adam has the most phenomenal voice I have heard in my lifetime, but unless something changes I won't feel the fan investment I once did. I will buy the album, but not actively request on radio,buy CD's to randomly leave where they can be found or barter with my teens to place Adam's music on facebook. I know I am not alone. I feel the core fanbase eroding. I want to have the passion back. I stepped away from fandom for A few days after the spanking this week. I had a travel day yesterday and spent the whole day driving with Adam's music. Still feeling hurt. The vast majority of us have done nothing but support Adam in every way possible. To lump all fans in with the few "Cray" is as bad as others lumping all "gays" together. Adam was no less talented in 2005 than in 2011. The difference is us! I was feeling this way for a while then I started putting on my positive Adam hat and taking another look at it. I am sure there is alot going on in Adam's life and I am glad there are people in his life to give him a kick and remind him to say thank you. Also with the tweet about NZ, Neil tweeted about the Red Cross the same time as Adam so I think Neil had to tell him about the earth quake and to tweet out about the Charity. I am glad he has Mom,Dad, Amy and Neil to keep his feet on the ground and they do remind him to do the right thing. No blowing smoke from them. As for his friends I think they are very talented and would not of known who they where without Adam. I do not think we would have had GNT without the Zodiac show, Lee let Adam experiment with ideas and styles and taught him to be himself. I don't think they are using him he let us know about them because they are talented and we see this. I love Scarletts voice and have her EP from last year which I listen to all the time and can not wait for this new album which we would not have because of the way record companies work today. I hope this puts a more positive light on all this. I do think he is doing the best he can and does thank us alot for our support. |
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Post by wonderstruck on Feb 24, 2011 10:25:43 GMT -5
All I can say to this is --whataya want from him? He's human, not perfect, and in the end he is trying to have a viable music career and can't possibly please everyone all the time or else his fans will keep demanding more and more from him and it will never stop. I think one needs to remember he is not "yours" so to speak and as fans we have no claim on him. IMO he's already a hell of a lot more likeable than most pop stars. Your feelings are valid and I am not dismissing them but...all I can say is....entitlement is not sexy. ymmv What is entitled about not wanting to be yelled out via twitter? (I am not an Adommy shipper and was tweeting hate to no one. I would say that applies to 99.9% of the fanbase) Did no one else here feel A little gouged that the fan club is selling A shirt commemorating the Charity event for a profit?  If you weren't doing that then you shouldn't take his comments personally. He was specifically speaking to THOSE fans. I wanted to comment on your original post. I felt the paid M&Gs were crap. It irked me beyond belief but I didn't feel that was Adam's decision as much as his managements decision. I thought the calendar was way overpriced and I refused to buy one because of that. Again, Adam isn't the sole decision maker for those types of things. I'm sure he's involved but he has a business manager to run that aspect of things, I assume. as for the rest of what you're feeling I honestly don't see what you see. On charity:water: We have no way of knowing whether he donated privately and IMO it was probably wise to not donated directly on the link provided as there are enough computer ninja's who could likely hack into that system and get his information if they set their minds to it. Adam was on a television and radio interview tour when the charity:water goal was reached. He tweeted his amazement when they reached 260K on his birthday. I have never done those things and I still feel like an invested fan. I don't request on radio, I'd never buy a CD and randomly leave it somewhere and I'd never try to get someone in my life ot post Adam's music on their facebook. Degrees of fandom vary and if you're no longer comfortable with the amount of investment you had at one time I think that's okay and probably a good thing. What gives you this impression? twitter? the fanclub? I'm curious. can you elaborate? Adam will piss you off again...that's what passion does. It's fire and it burns so be careful what you wish for  I sincerely don't understand what Adam has done that could hurt you or any other fan. Personal investment is a dangerous monster. Adam lives his life and really, outside the music, it has nothing to do with us. and adam acknowledged that the majority of the fans are loyal, loving, supportive and SANE. That's why he put fans in quotes to clarify that he doesn't think these people are truly fans.... The difference is Adam. Adam works his ass off to give us the best of himelf every time he steps on stage. We each have the choice to accept him as he is or to move on. I accept that Adam is who he is and sometimes he'll say or do something I might not agree with (pot smoking anyone? LOL) but I'm a fan of him as an artist and an admirer of him as a person because he is, IMO, so sweet and down to earth and really loves and appreciates this whole beautiful journey that he's on. |
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Post by kathleenpf on Feb 24, 2011 10:27:00 GMT -5
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I guess I am lucky in a way as I have not experienced the need to be acknowledged or appreciated by Adam. I just feel happy that he exists in a public eye and quite selfishly - I want him to continue be an artist so I can be entertained... I would do anything in my means to support him in that.Came out of lurkdom to say YES to this! Don't even have anything to add... Okay, well maybe I do :  . In recent interviews, Adam HAS said his fans are amazing. Then he goes on twitter and responds to a FEW nuts that are harassing his friends, followed by a final tweet saying he owes the MAJORITY of his fans the world. What am I missing? Was he not fast enough with his appreciation? I really don't understand this. Honestly, he doesn't owe my anything. I buy his music because I love his voice. I watch his interviews, videos etc... cuz' I like listening to him talk and I like looking at his face. I won't buy the butt-ugly t-shirt because, yeah it's horrid... MY decisions, MY money. I really don't see what the problem is. |
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Post by pjd on Feb 24, 2011 10:27:04 GMT -5
What is entitled about not wanting to be yelled out via twitter? (I am not an Adommy shipper and was tweeting hate to no one. I would say that applies to 99.9% of the fanbase) The only way Adam could possibly have directed his "rant" on twitter to ONLY the fans who deserved it would be to @ reply directly to them which would be REWARDING them for their behavior. There was also a LOT of crap happening outside of twitter on the many, many fan boards. The only way to address each of those would be to post on each. I doubt Adam is personally checking all the twitter @ replies and reading the fan boards, but I bet there are people around him who do. I have no clue if those are official people or just Lane, Leila, Eber and others keeping tabs on what is going on. The crap had been building for a while - there was a major outbreak a day or two before his rant, but there have been other outbreaks in the last few weeks. I think it was finally decided that he was going to have to say something as the problem wasn't just going away on its own. A number of fans have been driven away from the online fandom with all this crap. I think addressing it on twitter was the ONLY way he could address it at all and he probably thought long and hard about it since it could have easily been picked up by the press and used to further the "Glamberts are insane" meme we have seen/heard many times. All of us who were NOT involved in any of the negativity or excessively personal comments on his private life were NOT the focus of that rant. I am no more offended by that than I am by that idiot Larry Flick saying Adam's fans are ugly, unloved and unsexy - I know that isn't me so I'm not going to be concerned about it. Did no one else here feel A little gouged that the fan club is selling A shirt commemorating the Charity event for a profit? I don't feel "gouged" because I am not going to buy it. It is very easy to vote with your money - if it bothers you, don't buy it. I do not think Adam has anything to do with the day-to-day running of ALF and probably isn't even aware of the t-shirt offer. (I can't imagine he would have approved such a boring design!) I suspect that Adam's life is insanely busy. He is certainly trying to regain touch with family and friends (which I think is very important) but he is also thinking about Adam #2, he had appearances and Grammy stuff to deal with, I would be shocked if he isn't having some meetings/phonecalls/whetever with 19 and RCA about #2, Aftermath, PR, etc. and we have NO IDEA what else he has on his plate. I think he will be trying to keep #2 more secret than #1 (not that HE announced much about #1 as he was working on it) and i think producers/co-writers/etc will be asked NOT to tweet/blog/talk about their work. Just because he/they aren't telling us what he is doing doesn't mean he is not busy. The ALF website is one tiny little part of his concern and I suspect he doesn't even think about it most of the time. |
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Post by melliemom on Feb 24, 2011 10:28:53 GMT -5
All I can say to this is --whataya want from him? He's human, not perfect, and in the end he is trying to have a viable music career and can't possibly please everyone all the time or else his fans will keep demanding more and more from him and it will never stop. I think one needs to remember he is not "yours" so to speak and as fans we have no claim on him. IMO he's already a hell of a lot more likeable than most pop stars. Your feelings are valid and I am not dismissing them but...all I can say is....entitlement is not sexy. ymmv What is entitled about not wanting to be yelled out via twitter? (I am not an Adommy shipper and was tweeting hate to no one. I would say that applies to 99.9% of the fanbase) Did no one else here feel A little gouged that the fan club is selling A shirt commemorating the Charity event for a profit? [/quote Well I understand what you are saying,but whether one buys this shirt or not is totally up to each person. I don't feel gouged because I won't buy it, Doesn't appeal to me. Adam Inc,is not nearly that expansive with merchandise. I remember when many of us were requesting that he please have stuff for us to buy,especially after the first few concerts.If he comes out with everything imaginable to buy like some other stars,i.e. Bieber with nail polish,dolls.etc.I might raise an eyebrow. Again I have freedom of choice.. Adam, Inc. can put it all out there if he chooses and I will pick and choose. As far as being insulted by Adam's tweet ,I thought it was direct,timely and important. I was happy that he showed that some things were just unacceptable . Did I take it personally ,No I wasn't part of the insanity. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Feb 24, 2011 10:43:26 GMT -5
I have an unpopular opinion and hope you guys can help. I want you to point out flaws in my thought process because I don't want to feel this way. I am feeling unappreciated as A fan. One of the things that has endeared me to Adam is his realness. He is losing that IMO. It started with the creation of ALF. It offered us nothing new outside paid M&G, just quick money. The latest is Charity:Water. Adam's acknowledgement felt like A kid who's mother made him write A thank you note. Lane's follow up on ALF was "Mom" making A better thank you. He went on "The Talk" and seemed to not even know how much was raised or much about the charity. He was briefed (probably by "Mom") for the later interviews. It would have been nice if Adam had made A gesture to donate. Putting the last $10,000 in when the fans had it to $280,000 on his birthday. I was already feeling this when Adam felt the need to scold his fanbase once again. He then tried to make nice after the temper tantrum, felt like "Mom" again. Then yesterday offering A shirt about Charity:Water that is overpriced with only A small portion going to the charity. It felt like taking advantage of the generous nature of the fans. It would have been nice to say we designed this shirt as A memento, all proceeds go to Charity:Water. Look at the the comments - I am not alone on this one. Adam tweeting pictures with celebrities just made that feeling worse. I feel this is happening because the people in Adam's life that have kept him grounded are all benefiting from Adam's success. Can Monte, Allison, Lee and Scarlett hold the diva behavior in place when they are reaping the rewards of being in Adam's circle? Neil can always bring Adam back to reality, but is halfway around the world. This is my first time around as A fangirl and maybe this is natural. I still feel Adam has the most phenomenal voice I have heard in my lifetime, but unless something changes I won't feel the fan investment I once did. I will buy the album, but not actively request on radio,buy CD's to randomly leave where they can be found or barter with my teens to place Adam's music on facebook. I know I am not alone. I feel the core fanbase eroding. I want to have the passion back. I stepped away from fandom for A few days after the spanking this week. I had a travel day yesterday and spent the whole day driving with Adam's music. Still feeling hurt. The vast majority of us have done nothing but support Adam in every way possible. To lump all fans in with the few "Cray" is as bad as others lumping all "gays" together. Adam was no less talented in 2005 than in 2011. The difference is us! All I can say to this is --whataya want from him? He's human, not perfect, and in the end he is trying to have a viable music career and can't possibly please everyone all the time or else his fans will keep demanding more and more from him and it will never stop. I think one needs to remember he is not "yours" so to speak and as fans we have no claim on him. IMO he's already a hell of a lot more likeable than most pop stars. Your feelings are valid and I am not dismissing them but...all I can say is....entitlement is not sexy. ymmv I agree and I'm sorry you are feeling that way kittykay and I understand it's a feeling, but I hope you try to see it from another angle. Adam who has endured tremendous pressure these past couple of years with a grace I've never witnessed in my life. And agonizing about HOW he conveys his appreciation (when he has said it repeatedly) is only going to bring you pain. It's like me getting upset because I didn't like the inflection my nephews give when they say "Thank you" for their Christmas presents. What would be the point? It would be taking the gesture of giving and receiving a gift and making it some kind of test of their graciousness. I don't see any of his round "not keeping him grounded." Monte's trying to make his own music while being home after six months and raising four kids. Lee and Scarlett have a newborn. Adam is a grown man with exceptional self-awareness. He doesn't need a babysitter to monitor his behavior. Adam has been working for two solid years with MAYBE a total of about 40 days off (before December) and that's including weekends, while traveling around the globe. He deserves to just be without people analyzing and questioning his every word and gesture. He gets enough of that from the world. I feel it's the ultimate affront if he now starts getting it from those who are supposed to love and support him. |
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Post by annietoo on Feb 24, 2011 10:45:11 GMT -5
I have an unpopular opinion and hope you guys can help. I want you to point out flaws in my thought process because I don't want to feel this way. I am feeling unappreciated as A fan. One of the things that has endeared me to Adam is his realness. He is losing that IMO. It started with the creation of ALF. It offered us nothing new outside paid M&G, just quick money. The latest is Charity:Water. Adam's acknowledgement felt like A kid who's mother made him write A thank you note. Lane's follow up on ALF was "Mom" making A better thank you. He went on "The Talk" and seemed to not even know how much was raised or much about the charity. He was briefed (probably by "Mom") for the later interviews. It would have been nice if Adam had made A gesture to donate. Putting the last $10,000 in when the fans had it to $280,000 on his birthday. I was already feeling this when Adam felt the need to scold his fanbase once again. He then tried to make nice after the temper tantrum, felt like "Mom" again. Then yesterday offering A shirt about Charity:Water that is overpriced with only A small portion going to the charity. It felt like taking advantage of the generous nature of the fans. It would have been nice to say we designed this shirt as A memento, all proceeds go to Charity:Water. Look at the the comments - I am not alone on this one. Adam tweeting pictures with celebrities just made that feeling worse. I feel this is happening because the people in Adam's life that have kept him grounded are all benefiting from Adam's success. Can Monte, Allison, Lee and Scarlett hold the diva behavior in place when they are reaping the rewards of being in Adam's circle? Neil can always bring Adam back to reality, but is halfway around the world. This is my first time around as A fangirl and maybe this is natural. I still feel Adam has the most phenomenal voice I have heard in my lifetime, but unless something changes I won't feel the fan investment I once did. I will buy the album, but not actively request on radio,buy CD's to randomly leave where they can be found or barter with my teens to place Adam's music on facebook. I know I am not alone. I feel the core fanbase eroding. I want to have the passion back. I stepped away from fandom for A few days after the spanking this week. I had a travel day yesterday and spent the whole day driving with Adam's music. Still feeling hurt. The vast majority of us have done nothing but support Adam in every way possible. To lump all fans in with the few "Cray" is as bad as others lumping all "gays" together. Adam was no less talented in 2005 than in 2011. The difference is us! Wow, I don't even know what to say here. I very rarely get into these discussions and mostly just read posters opinions and decide whether I agree or not and move on. But somehow I just have to respond to this post. This is one of the most entitled comments I have ever read. I love Adam forever but all I ever expect from him is good music and awesome performances. And even then I am sure there will be some music and performances I am not going to like but I don't expect to love every thing he does. He does not owe me one thing after that. It seems that you take personally every thing he does or doesn't do, says or doesn't say and I just don't get that. Adam is a singer and entertainer, I don't know him and he doesn't know me and that is all there is to it. There is so much assumption of Adam's thought processes and his friends motivations going on here that I find it mind boggling. As far as Charity Water is concerned, I gave on Adam's behalf because it is a worthy cause not to get some kind of of acknowledgment from Adam. There are many points to address about this post but I better stop here because I am just getting in a bad mood. |
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Post by rihannsu on Feb 24, 2011 10:47:43 GMT -5
posted by babie I really really really hope that Adam does not fall into the trap of making artistic decisions based on what the crazies might do with it. You are implying here that the whole Tommy interaction was a mistake because of what a few crazy people are twisting it into. If artists worried about that then the majority of the great works of art would never have been created. Believe me that is a slippery slope you do not want Adam going down. Given Adam's largely heterosexual audience and Adam's insistence on being authentically sexual on stage I think he is doing way more positive good for the advancement of gay rights than a lot of other things out there. The positive affects more than outweigh the negatives of a few crazies that are going to find something to be crazy about no matter what he does. I would never trade the value of Adam's visibility for the dubious safety of trying not to trigger the cray cray.Also if you think the fantasy started with kissing Tommy you slipped in your research. The nutjobs have been there before and will be long after and they don't begin and end with Adam either. They are nutjobs and they don't need and excuse to be cray cray. I also hope you understood from the other day that the majority of "shippers" don't truly believe the stuff and its only the very vocal few who have lost touch with reality. Thanks for your reply. Lets be clear here: Are you one of the shippers is that why it touched a nerve? Are you suggesting that Adam kissing hetrosexual Tommy has not created confusion then you are naive? Who spoke about visibility based on what? You can be critical of this research for all you want but its all clear to see what's going on here. I said very clearly 'some'? So what are you going on about gay rights. I am all for it if not I would not be a fan otherwise. The only thing I got from your post is that you want Adam to continue his shows as the way they are. After six months of 'the crazies' as you call them cant get enough. I say NO The music must be the focus as I said in my post and nothing else and I stick by my views. I love Adam's music and his personality. I will speak my mind when I need to. I am sure Adam is concerned about this problem thats why he twitted it. As a fan I am really scared for him. Regards Babie. Am I one of the shippers? Well that's a loaded question. Do you define shippers as the crazies who believe it's true instead of the actual definition of the term? Yes, I read fanfiction, no I have no illusions about what is real. I get tired of the impression that everyone seems to have here that ALL shippers are dellusional nutjobs. That is not the case. Just as many here don't like the implication that ALL Adam's fans are sparkle cows I don't like that this impression remains despite that attempts to properly define the terminology. Contrary to popular belief fanfic authors don't want or intend for the subjects of their fiction to read about it. It is fantasy loosely based on reality. Many, many mainstream books and Hollywood movies are also based on reality as well. I wasn't saying that kissing Tommy didn't create confusion. Confusion can be good. That moment sparked endless discussions and debate and opened peoples minds and hearts. I said if Adam makes creative decisions base on how a crazy person might be confused it is detrimental to his art. I didn't say he had to continue I said there was positive benefit to what he did and he should not make a decision to avoid that based on a few crazy people. Adam was concerned about the hate being directed at his friends and he should be and he addressed it. But if he compromises his art based on the crazies we all loose. All I am saying is that the crazies will be there regardless of what he does and whether or not he kissed Tommy on stage wouldn't have stopped them from finding something to be nuts over and we would have lost all the positive gain that the moment did provide. Hope that answered your questions. |
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. In recent interviews, Adam HAS said his fans are amazing. Then he goes on twitter and responds to a FEW nuts that are harassing his friends, followed by a final tweet saying he owes the MAJORITY of his fans the world. What am I missing? Was he not fast enough with his appreciation? I really don't understand this.
