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Post by cassie on Feb 26, 2011 1:20:10 GMT -5
OMG, I just listened again, and I get what he's saying...it's NOT note for note, but it is similar...but the beginning instrumentals and electronica noises give it a whole different vibe to me. Hmmmm.... Shame on you, hoopla. Just as I am getting ready to sleep you pose this musical challenge. Made me haul out my paper and pen and sit down at the piano. Yes the first few notes are similar. Transposing them so that they are in the same relative key, (the vids are not) in the opening phrase to Mad World and Broken Open: " All a(round"), is the same note as " Bro(ken)"; "(fa) miliar faces" is the same two notes as " Pieces"; " Worn out" the same note as " Break"; "(spa) ces" is the same two notes as "into me". (I diagrammed it all out with notes and words lining up, but the formatting didn't show up in the preview.) So, yes, the same progression of notes appears in both opening phrases. HOWEVER, the harmonies and the basic keys are different. Mad World is in the key of C minor and Broken Open is in the key of F major. The difference between the minor and major key makes for a totally different mood to the pieces. So, I think this author is blowing smoke. |
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Post by hoopla1 on Feb 26, 2011 1:39:48 GMT -5
OMG, I just listened again, and I get what he's saying...it's NOT note for note, but it is similar...but the beginning instrumentals and electronica noises give it a whole different vibe to me. Hmmmm.... Shame on you, hoopla. Just as I am getting ready to sleep you pose this musical challenge. Made me haul out my paper and pen and sit down at the piano. Yes the first few notes are similar. Transposing them so that they are in the same relative key, (the vids are not) in the opening phrase to Mad World and Broken Open: " All a(round"), is the same note as " Bro(ken)"; "(fa) miliar faces" is the same two notes as " Pieces"; " Worn out" the same note as " Break"; "(spa) ces" is the same two notes as "into me". (I diagrammed it all out with notes and words lining up, but the formatting didn't show up in the preview.) So, yes, the same progression of notes appears in both opening phrases. HOWEVER, the harmonies and the basic keys are different. Mad World is in the key of C minor and Broken Open is in the key of F major. The difference between the minor and major key makes for a totally different mood to the pieces. So, I think this author is blowing smoke. Thanks, Cassie!! I'm so glad you took the trouble to do that! I could hear the similarities when he started singing (couldn't during the opening instrumental notes), but the vibe of the song is so different...I think he's blowing smoke too. And I def don't think Adam deliberately copied it, and I KNOW his fans aren't "dumb." Have you read that piece yet? It really is good. And SAVVY, I saw you laughing at me. I am soooo tired! |
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Post by readon on Feb 26, 2011 1:40:58 GMT -5
OMG, I just listened again, and I get what he's saying...it's NOT note for note, but it is similar...but the beginning instrumentals and electronica noises give it a whole different vibe to me. Hmmmm.... Shame on you, hoopla. Just as I am getting ready to sleep you pose this musical challenge. Made me haul out my paper and pen and sit down at the piano. Yes the first few notes are similar. Transposing them so that they are in the same relative key, (the vids are not) in the opening phrase to Mad World and Broken Open: " All a(round"), is the same note as " Bro(ken)"; "(fa) miliar faces" is the same two notes as " Pieces"; " Worn out" the same note as " Break"; "(spa) ces" is the same two notes as "into me". (I diagrammed it all out with notes and words lining up, but the formatting didn't show up in the preview.) So, yes, the same progression of notes appears in both opening phrases. HOWEVER, the harmonies and the basic keys are different. Mad World is in the key of C minor and Broken Open is in the key of F major. The difference between the minor and major key makes for a totally different mood to the pieces. So, I think this author is blowing smoke. Yeah, I know I was going to bed, whatever.... Thanks Cassie for decoding Mad World/Broken Open. I just has this image of you sitting at the piano and comparing the two songs. And that led me to Dr. Cockroach in Monsters vs. Aliens. Yep, I should def go to bed now, but here's my sleep deprived ravings. |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 1:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Feb 26, 2011 2:00:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Cassie!! I'm so glad you took the trouble to do that! I could hear the similarities when he started singing (couldn't during the opening instrumental notes), but the vibe of the song is so different...I think he's blowing smoke too. And I def don't think Adam deliberately copied it, and I KNOW his fans aren't "dumb." Have you read that piece yet? It really is good. Haven't read the piece yet. As I said, I WAS going to bed. Like others, I thought I would tackle it tomorrow --- well later today. As for blowing smoke, I don't think artists generally purposely plagiarize others' songs. But, it can happen subconsciously. Some phrases and chords just come to you and sound right. I remember Paul McCartney saying he woke up one morning and the entire song, Yesterday, just appeared in his head and wrote itself. He was worried that it was actually a song he had heard previously, and that it was not his original. On the other hand, George Harrison's My Sweet Lord has the same melody line and chording/harmony as the Chiffon's He's So Fine. (He lost the law suit, too, I think.) And Tik Tok and the Katy Perry song have almost identical melody lines and harmonies, plus very similar backing tracks. But, Mad World and Broken Open only resemble each other on the surface, with a progression of notes in the first musical phrase. Little else is similar. As I said, the major and minor key differences are unmistakable. The chords/harmonies are different. The bridges of the two songs are completely different. Heck, there are only twelve notes possible in an octave scale - and in any key, most of the time, only seven of them are used in a song. The possibilities of one song melody approximating another for a phrase are pretty great. And there are some very common chord progressions in pop music, too. I think this was posted some time back, but, it is a riot. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I |
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Post by irish1139 on Feb 26, 2011 3:11:22 GMT -5
I think you have to be a music major to find Broken Open resembling Mad World in any way. I have listened to both of them twice, and they sound totally different. Couldn't find anything similar. Adam is a genius, but is he that brilliant? A lay person would never put those two songs together and announce that they sound alike.
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Post by Zinnia on Feb 26, 2011 3:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by JazzRocks on Feb 26, 2011 11:10:19 GMT -5
Testing.
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* AL Nov. 5th, 2011