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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 10:05:16 GMT -5
I don't recall Adam saying anything about his suit. Didn't his 2 tweets just say something about forgiveness and design and art? :-/
NVM: I guess he did,
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@jenepherre not at all... But just cuz he's (was) an asshole, that means I can't wear his gorgeous clothes?
But, to quote someone from yesterday, wish I could remember who it was.... there's a big difference from doing an action that actually hurt living things, ie: Michael Vick, Nazis. As opposed to having an opinion (albeit an unpopular one) about something and having a drunken diahrea of the mouth episode, like Galliano.
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Post by murly on Oct 1, 2011 10:08:54 GMT -5
Very good post about the Galliano situation, cassie. I don't feel the same way Adam does about this, but I don't wear designer clothes anyway. It doesn't impact me. I wasn't a fan of Mel Gibson's even before his rants, I'm not a football fan so I wouldn't have been cheering for Michael Vick anyway, and while I enjoyed Michael Richards' performance as part of the Seinfeld ensemble, I haven't thought about him since that show ended except when he said those horrible things at that club. But what if there was something I was really passionate about, and someone involved in that made offensive remarks? Could I give whatever-it-is up? I don't know. I just know it's easier to take a stand against something that you don't care about anyway, so judging someone else's stand seems presumptuous.
And the bottom line is--we know Adam is not an anti-Semite. We know he doesn't encourage hatred in the world. We know he would never, ever endorse the remarks that Galliano made. He just loves the guy's clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 10:18:12 GMT -5
Greetings all! I don't post much but lurk regularly. Thanks for keeping me entertained and informed in all things Adam. Just wanted to share my " it's a small Adam world" moment : I went to a Kings of Leon concert last night and the opening band was.....the Sheepdogs! Project Runway didn't seem to have affected their style, still in jeans and Tshirts with long shaggy hair.  Hi, Kim! Ha, ha! That's funny but I had a feeling they were a plaid shirt and jeans kind of band! |
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 1, 2011 10:26:32 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the Galliano debate. I have a slightly different take on the issue... When we are drunk or high, are we more of our authentic selves? Does it bring out our true personality? What IS our authentic self? Is it how we think or how we choose to act and speak? Yesterday, I wrote a post about how our personalities and perspectives develop in the brain, and what effort it takes to change those early conditionings. adamtopia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=daily&thread=505&page=11#98675 If we are raised in an environment where certain people, certain religions, certain ideas are denegrated, our brain picks up those attitudes and is shaped by them. When we become independent thinking adults, we may examine them and determine to reject them. We may speak and act without the prejudice we learned. But, those prejudices that were imprinted in our youth may still exist in our neural pathways. When we are under the influence of some substance, our rational, higher level thinking processes may be dulled or suppressed, and those early brain patterns may emerge. We say and do things we would never say or do if we were in our "right" minds. Are we being "authentic"? Or, is the way we normally choose to live our lives, who we choose to be, more real? I don't want it to seem like I am excusing the ugly statements Galliano made when he was roaring drunk. Maybe they ARE his true feelings. But, maybe, they are the scripts he learned at a young age, that he has consciously chosen to abandon, but that reared their ugly head when his higher thinking processes were anesthetized. (A very good argument for not getting roaring drunk or high.) Galliano issued a statement apologizing for his behavior and taking responsibility for it. He is seeking help with his addiction. He says, "In all my work my inspiration has been to unite people of every race, creed, religion and sexuality by celebrating their cultural and ethnic diversity through fashion. That remains my guiding light. “Anti-semitism and racism have no part in our society. I unreservedly apologise for my behaviour in causing any offence.” Was his statement sincere or just an attempt to regain favor? I don't have any way of knowing. But, I concede the possibility that he may hold those more loving beliefs despite early, ugly conditioning to the contrary. Just thinking. This is exactly the point. Also, at this point in time we do not have a way to know what Galliano will do going forward but he did not escape punishment as many celebrities do. He faced his charges in court and has sought treatment. At this point in time I feel there is substantial reason to give him benefit of the doubt and allow him to move forward. I believe I did read at some point that his parent were very anti-semetic but I'm not sure about that. To contrast to the Mel Gibson situation Gibson's father is a well known and very outspoken Nazi sympathizer. I am quite sure his upbringing conditioned that pattern of thinking. But Gibson has not squarely faced the accusations against him and has made every attempt to weasel away and excuse his behavior using his alcoholism as an excuse to avoid paying for his mistakes. This is a totally different situation than that of Galliano. But in both of these cases there is in my mind a difference between what you may already own of these artists work and what you choose to support in the future. I own many Mel Gibson DVD's and he was a favorite of mine. I still enjoy many of those performances because they were great and his behavior today does not change that for me. However I have chosen not to pay to see any future Mel Gibson movies. Adam was questioned about wearing his Galliano suit which he bought long before the controversy happened. He is speaking from the perspective of being judged for wearing an item of clothing as if it is an endorsement of the designer. Galliano did not give him the suit and he is not wearing it in terms of publicity for Galliano. Just because many celebrities do endorsements doesn't mean he is. In this case I think the fact that Adam has not been wearing fashion for the sake of endorsement supports his position. If he wasn't a celebrity how many people would even notice that was a Galliano suit or care? This is a case of Adam still being Adam and wearing clothes because he likes them not because of who made them or what they may represent. We actually had precedent for Adam feeling this way when he was questioned about fur. His answer was that he didn't kill it. That was a very unpopular view and probably much more of a potential hot topic than Galliano but he didn't shy away from it. He well understand that he may loose fans because of this and he still refuses to cowtow to prevailing opinion. I admire that. His is his own person and leaves it up to us whether to stick with him or not. ETA: I do not think that supporting Adam as an artist means that I agree with absolutely everything he says or does, so why would him wearing a Galliano suit mean he agrees with everything Galliano says or does. |
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 1, 2011 10:27:35 GMT -5
Greetings all! I don't post much but lurk regularly. Thanks for keeping me entertained and informed in all things Adam. Just wanted to share my " it's a small Adam world" moment : I went to a Kings of Leon concert last night and the opening band was.....the Sheepdogs! Project Runway didn't seem to have affected their style, still in jeans and Tshirts with long shaggy hair. Were they any good? |
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Post by adamrocks on Oct 1, 2011 10:28:24 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the Galliano debate. I have a slightly different take on the issue... When we are drunk or high, are we more of our authentic selves? Does it bring out our true personality? What IS our authentic self? Is it how we think or how we choose to act and speak? Yesterday, I wrote a post about how our personalities and perspectives develop in the brain, and what effort it takes to change those early conditionings. adamtopia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=daily&thread=505&page=11#98675 If we are raised in an environment where certain people, certain religions, certain ideas are denegrated, our brain picks up those attitudes and is shaped by them. When we become independent thinking adults, we may examine them and determine to reject them. We may speak and act without the prejudice we learned. But, those prejudices that were imprinted in our youth may still exist in our neural pathways. When we are under the influence of some substance, our rational, higher level thinking processes may be dulled or suppressed, and those early brain patterns may emerge. We say and do things we would never say or do if we were in our "right" minds. Are we being "authentic"? Or, is the way we normally choose to live our lives, who we choose to be, more real? I don't want it to seem like I am excusing the ugly statements Galliano made when he was roaring drunk. Maybe they ARE his true feelings. But, maybe, they are the scripts he learned at a young age, that he has consciously chosen to abandon, but that reared their ugly head when his higher thinking processes were anesthetized. (A very good argument for not getting roaring drunk or high.) Galliano issued a statement apologizing for his behavior and taking responsibility for it. He is seeking help with his addiction. He says, "In all my work my inspiration has been to unite people of every race, creed, religion and sexuality by celebrating their cultural and ethnic diversity through fashion. That remains my guiding light. “Anti-semitism and racism have no part in our society. I unreservedly apologise for my behaviour in causing any offence.” Was his statement sincere or just an attempt to regain favor? I don't have any way of knowing. But, I concede the possibility that he may hold those more loving beliefs despite early, ugly conditioning to the contrary. Just thinking. I just want to say I appreciate your thought provoking post along with posts of other talented writers and thinkers here. I truly love the diversity of our members here at Atopia.  Of course....I love our more 'shallow' side, too! ;D |
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Post by stampsgal on Oct 1, 2011 10:42:55 GMT -5
Greetings all! I don't post much but lurk regularly. Thanks for keeping me entertained and informed in all things Adam. Just wanted to share my " it's a small Adam world" moment : I went to a Kings of Leon concert last night and the opening band was.....the Sheepdogs! Project Runway didn't seem to have affected their style, still in jeans and Tshirts with long shaggy hair. HI KIM!!! Whatever they wore was probably was better than the designs from Project Runway. Rather than hip they looked hippyish. Saw Enrique E. interviewed on ET Canada show and he always wears his t-shirt, jeans and baseball cap. If the music is good I listen!!TV news clip last night was talking about the Kings of Leon concert in Vancouver and the Sheepdogs opened there for them as well. WERE they any good? Did you like their music? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 10:48:09 GMT -5
Again I want to say I am glowing with all the nice remarks about the essay.  Great morning. It IS very interesting to see all the different perspectives about art. Craazylady, I can't imagine growing up in an artist's community and that really must be so different. My dad was an IBM engineer and couldn't/can't imagine how anyone can live outside a cubicle (and I live in a cubicle, just look on at artists in amazement). For me, I can't separate the artist and his art. I can see that others disagree and that is OK. But for me, I used to love Mel Gibson. Braveheart was one of my favorite movies of all time, and I loved Lethal Weapon and Mad Max, but now I can't stand the sight of him and I never want to see him again. As for Galliano ... I don't have a personal stake like that. I don't do fashion .... my favorite designer is LL Bean. LOL. But I WAS disappointed that Adam defended him after I learned what Galliano did. Adam's reasons seemed shallow to me. If there was deeper meaning in those tweets, I just don't see it. Some of you are beautiful souls and extrapolated deeper meaning about the power of forgiveness to heal, but I think that says more about you than it does about Adam in this particular instance. Personally, I can't buy into the "I only hate Jews and endorse genocide when I'm drunk" defense. |
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Post by aralid on Oct 1, 2011 10:48:31 GMT -5
I have to say, that found Adams tweets about Galliano ok and I think cassie made a good point. Am I right, that Galliano has never done something like that before this incident and after his detox?
If yes, for me it is time to give him second chance, especially him as a designer. But this is just my oppinion.
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Post by wal on Oct 1, 2011 10:56:47 GMT -5
Glimpse of Adam Lambert in X Factor US promo that just aired in Japan. @1:20
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