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Post by savvy92 on Oct 1, 2011 10:57:11 GMT -5
Oh yes thanks 4msrmyn...I do remember about the long time highschool friendship etc. Great to refresh on some of these "older" videos, if a year or two is now older in the world of Adam. I am more curious about Danielle now-a-days.[/b]
If and when she has driven or picked up Adam she seems to be driving pretty nice big Suv's etc. Just curious what she did for a living, and gelly thought she might be a nanny. Pretty amazing nanny wages..unless they rented/borrowed cars those nights.
edit: Oh I forgot I was going to add one of my fav memories from Danielle, is the story about the mom's wondering about Adam hanging out in the girl's dressing rooms during the plays. And the girls responding by saying something like..."oh don't worry it is only Adam!". First of all, I don’t know how to delete parts of a post without finding myself inside the box with the previous post, whole thing showing up. A friend of mine had been a nanny for a surgeon in Miami before I met her. She was 32 and new to the country from England. He had 2 kids, neither babies at the end of her tenure, and she would get them off to school and spend most of the day at his country club, go pick up the kids, and have them until bedtime, 9pm at latest, 5 days a week. They also bought her a new Mazda something or another, in her name, to shuttle the kids. Salary in 1996: $ 42,000 yr She was offered $60,000 by an asswipe movie star you would all know but turned it down because his reputation preceded him Some nannys do very well. |
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Post by kim on Oct 1, 2011 11:02:11 GMT -5
Re: the Sheepdogs - they looked and sounded like your basic bar band. Not bad but nothing special ( to me) Definate rock sound. No plaid, actually a couple of them had button up shirts, rolled up sleeves, you know the style. No items from Project Runway -that stuff was ghastly!
PS Stampsgal - Hi! Lunch sometime soon?
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 1, 2011 11:04:55 GMT -5
I have to say, that found Adams tweets about Galliano ok and I think cassie made a good point. Am I right, that Galliano has never done something like that before this incident and after his detox? If yes, for me it is time to give him second chance, especially him as a designer. But this is just my oppinion. Well, there hasn't been much time to assess Galliano as the court decision was just handed down this past month I think and since he doesn't have a job right now the question of whether or not to buy his clothes is not really answerable because unless he gets another job any Galliano you buy is not going to be putting money into his pocket because you'd be buying from a reseller. |
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Post by carrieb on Oct 1, 2011 11:23:03 GMT -5
In re the Galliano tweets, I do not agree with Adam at this time. At this time, I see no reason to believe Galliano has "changed" because I have yet to see proof of it. I need the proof of contrition and change over time, Adam does not seem to.
I believe the differences between Adam and me may lie in our differing world views or beliefs about human nature. Adam sees the world and people in a much more positive and optimistic light than I do. He believes that people can and will change if they "see the light" or if only given a chance and he is quick to forgive and (truly sometimes I think) forget.
Although people who know me IRL consider me quite optimistic, my greatest optimism is reserved for situations in which I believe the odds are in favor of a good outcome. For situations in which the best possible outcome is unlikely, I might still choose to be optimistic, but I will be much more guarded and have a damn good Plan B in place. I believe that while people are capable of change, that most people invest tremendous amounts of psychic capital in maintaining the status quo and actively avoid or refuse change if it forces them out of their comfort zones, inconveniences them, decreases some form of pleasure in their lives, causes them to lose esteem in the eyes of others, or simply costs them money. I think that it requires not only tremendous energy to change, but the continuous will to want to do so and usually that impetus to will comes from a benefit to oneself, rather than because of righteousness.
In other words, I think that change is possible, but not probable, while Adam seems to think that change is not only probable, but easily and quickly probable.
So Adam is much more quick to trust that someone will change and to trust that a verbal assurance of change is enough, while I have a "Show me" attitude. "Show me your character over time" is what I'd say to Galliano while Adam might say, "I trust you to do better immediately because you said you would, so show me your clothes now."
Or in the story of the scorpion and the frog, I have a feeling Adam would be the frog, shocked that the scorpion stung him, while I'd be saying, "Ribbittt. Beat it, scorpion. You've stung before, you'll sting again. Beat it." And I wouldn't turn my back as the scorpion went away.
Just like I wanted to smack Adam upside the head for trusting Perez Hilton. I am sure though that Adam has made other choices to trust someone who has previously been hurtful and it's worked out and he chooses to remember those positive outcomes much more than he remembers the negative outcomes, (possibly because he's had more positive outcomes than negative in his life).
I don't think my way is better or worse than Adam's, just different and is probably a result not only of personalities but of life experiences and deciding what's effective in our own lives.
So the only issue I'd have with Adam in re Galliano is if he continued to support him after another example of anti-Semitism. Then, I'd start to wonder if Adam's desire for cool clothes was more important than his principles. For right now, I'm more than willing to chalk it up to different world views about the likelihood of the perfectibility of human nature.
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Post by stampsgal on Oct 1, 2011 11:26:37 GMT -5
[quote author=savvy92pf board=daily thread=506 post=98905 time=1317484631
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A friend of mine had been a nanny for a surgeon in Miami before I met her. She was 32 and new to the country from England. He had 2 kids, neither babies at the end of her tenure, and she would get them off to school and spend most of the day at his country club, go pick up the kids, and have them until bedtime, 9pm at latest, 5 days a week. They also bought her a new Mazda something or another, in her name, to shuttle the kids.
Salary in 1996: $ 42,000 yr
She was offered $60,000 by an asswipe movie star you would all know but turned it down because his reputation preceded him
Some nannys do very well.[/quote]
You are right! I should not box my thinking in like that.... The more well to do, have that ability to provide such an income.
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Post by 8toinfinity on Oct 1, 2011 11:40:20 GMT -5
 MR. OCTOBERTurned my calendar BEFORE I had my coffee and stoked up ATOP this morning. If you knew me, you'd know that's a BIG DEAL!!  (not a morning person, need my coffee and alone time to wake up)  |
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Post by stampsgal on Oct 1, 2011 11:45:58 GMT -5
Re: the Sheepdogs - they looked and sounded like your basic bar band. Not bad but nothing special ( to me) Definate rock sound. No plaid, actually a couple of them had button up shirts, rolled up sleeves, you know the style. No items from Project Runway -that stuff was ghastly! PS Stampsgal - Hi! Lunch sometime soon? pmed you |
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Post by aurora on Oct 1, 2011 11:56:18 GMT -5
Adam Lambert & Sauli Koskinen - I Am Your Man
Lataaja: y0116jp, 1.10.2011
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 1, 2011 11:57:43 GMT -5
<snip> For the record, (and I don't want this to overshadow the original point) the essay was written before Adam's Galliano tweets, and while it may have some bearing on his ability to overlook Galliano's racism, I wanted to put it out there that I totally disagree with Adam on this issue. Let me know if no one wants to rehash the Galliano issue again and I'll delete my comment. I was very disappointed in Adam's willing to forgive Galliano for his racist remarks in order to wear his favorite suite/clothes. As a grandchild of Holocaust survivors I felt a bit nauseated. Then I started thinking more about this issue and realized that I did the same. I bought drugs made by Bayer (manufacturers of Cyclon B the gas that was used to kill one side of my family in Auschwitz) , I drove a BMW (a company who used Jewish slave workers and was responsible for their death), There are a lot of Mercedes cars in Israel (they built the gas chambers used in Nazi death camps); anyone drove a car made by Ford? another company who's founder was very antisemitic and the list goes on and on.... So I chose to use the "art"/product of a very racist company even murderous company which is much worse then using a non influential one hater's suite.... I don't know about you but I decided that I cannot judge what seemed to me at the beginning a very "spoiled child" like tweet deciding to wear the clothes he liked even though the person who made them is antisemitic and a racist. Also, this tweet opened a very interesting discussion about the subject of where our ethical borders lie.... Hmmm..... Well as the daughter of a mother who still will not buy any known German product (let's just say that BWM was not a car, even used, that would have been allowed to enter our driveway), and who LITERALLY freaked out when I was asked to speak out at a German scientific conference, its safe to say there's still a lot of sensitivity. My mother lost close cousins to the death camps, including a 12-year old who got all the way to America and was then SENT BACK for not having the correct paperwork. He died at Belsen. My father-in-law and his immediate family were the ONLY survivors of his entire town. And the reason they lived is because that town was on the Russian-Polish border, at one point in time Russia had control, and his family was sent as dissidents to SIBERIA during that time frame. By the time they escaped Siberia, all the rest of his family and everyone else they knew had been shipped to Auschwitz and gassed. All their property taken over by the non-Jewish neighbors. Even after the war, anyone who even looked Jewish could be taken off a passenger train and shot without anyone protesting (happened right in front of my FIL, sitting just a few seats back). Truthfully, I *DON'T* think Adam comprehends this. He doesn't look Jewish. He didn't go to Hebrew School. I'm willing to bet he doesn't know anyone with [involuntary] tattooed numbers on their arm. Yes, Adam has been discriminated against, but not for being Jewish. In my opinion, he identifies with being Jewish, but he himself has grown up too far removed from vicious anti-Semitism to truly understand it. Or to understand other's reaction to it. (And I'm definitely lumping Neil in here too). As someone who has had a gun held to my head, and watched the rest of my family held at gunpoint for no other reason that one group of people didn't like my family's country of origin, I am intimately aware that most Americans JUST DON'T GET the level of hostility that occurs so frequently in this world over "us versus them". Antisemitism is scary. Being (IMO) flippantly able to forgive someone for it b/c you like their clothes feels asinine. I don't know if that's what Adam meant, but that's what he said on Twitter. Now if Adam had said that Galliano had abjectly apologized and THAT's why he was advocating forgiveness, that would be slightly different. But Twitter's 140 character limit didn't state that. |
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Post by gelly14 on Oct 1, 2011 12:11:57 GMT -5
I don't recall Adam saying anything about his suit. Didn't his 2 tweets just say something about forgiveness and design and art? :-/
NVM: I guess he did,adamlambertAdam Lambert @jenepherre not at all... But just cuz he's (was) an asshole, that means I can't wear his gorgeous clothes? But, to quote someone from yesterday, wish I could remember who it was.... there's a big difference from doing an action that actually hurt living things, ie: Michael Vick, Nazis. As opposed to having an opinion (albeit an unpopular one) about something and having a drunken diahrea of the mouth episode, like Galliano. I understood his tweets exactly like you said. For me Adam retweeted first the tweet from Johnny Weir and then talked about forgiveness and loving the art. I took his tweets as a continuance from his retweet. We, the fans, started talking about the Galliano suit. As for me I'm not as articulate as you guys, just wanted to state my POV. I'm a fan of Salvador Dali's art. I know he was an arrogant asshole, supported at least 2 horrible regimes, Franco's and Ceausescu. Last year when I was in London I spent one hour in front of a painting of his, at Tate modern. Would I buy his art if I had the millions of dollars? I certainly would. |
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