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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 25, 2011 18:11:56 GMT -5

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Post by jamie on Oct 25, 2011 18:11:56 GMT -5

Saw this article on how a recording artist makes money and the different break downs w/ itunes, spotify, youtube ect and thought the numbers peeps might fing it useful. :-*

www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-new-economics-of-the-music-industry-20111025?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

Basically after all is said and done...most atist don't make much anymore from selling records and it comes down to touring to make the big bucks. Good thing our guy excels at this.

A decade ago, this disparity in payments was a huge point of contention between artists and the labels they worked for. That's still true today, but artists are far more likely to throw up their hands and say, "Who gives a crap? Let's just make a pile from touring." Says Grier: "The questions you're having are not all that relevant to the band. 'How many records are we going to sell? Pfpfpfpft. We just want to play the songs.'"

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 26, 2011 19:48:21 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 19:48:21 GMT -5

For comparison purposes:

The hits prediction of Kelly Clarkson’s 5th studio album, Stronger, is in:

19/RCA first-season American Idol winner Kelly Clarkson’s Stronger is off to a nice start, with estimates in the 155-165k range, off from her previous first-week sales of 255k for the March 2009 album, All I Ever Wanted.

ETA: Her estimate has been raised by 10,000!

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JazzRocks Member The Crazy Train is Ready to Roll! Posts: 4,280 Location:	10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 27, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by JazzRocks on Oct 27, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5 That's pretty good. Only @35% drop (taking the higher sales estimate). If Adam sells @126k should be the same, no? Not that I'm expecting sales that high unfortunately. At least KC did MUCH better than Cook.

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 27, 2011 10:58:26 GMT -5

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Oct 27, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5 JazzRocks said:

That's pretty good. Only @35% drop (taking the higher sales estimate). If Adam sells @126k should be the same, no? Not that I'm expecting sales that high unfortunately.

At least KC did MUCH better than Cook.

Yesterday I posted I would expect Adam to do 150K and would be disappointed with anything less. However, in retropsect, I think anything over 100K would be good. Over 150K will be great. It will surely tell us the size of his dedicated fanbase. Of course, if the first single "explodes in November" then 150K could be realistic.

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 28, 2011 7:58:18 GMT -5

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Post by JazzRocks on Oct 28, 2011 7:58:18 GMT -5

Oct 27, 2011 10:58:26 GMT -5 @mys*&@^#r50 said:

Oct 27, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5 JazzRocks said:

That's pretty good. Only @35% drop (taking the higher sales estimate). If Adam sells @126k should be the same, no? Not that I'm expecting sales that high unfortunately.

At least KC did MUCH better than Cook.

Yesterday I posted I would expect Adam to do 150K and would be disappointed with anything less. However, in retropsect, I think anything over 100K would be good. Over 150K will be great. It will surely tell us the size of his dedicated fanbase. Of course, if the first single "explodes in November" then 150K could be realistic.

I've been apprehensive about Adam's sales ever since the Cook debacle. Do you really think A can sell more than twice what Cook sold? I have no idea what A's hardcore fanbase is but I have seen (here & on twitter) some peeps dropping away in frustration. Course that doesn't mean they won't buy the album when it's (finally) released.

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 28, 2011 9:29:24 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 9:29:24 GMT -5

Oh gosh, yes!
I don't think David ever picked up a radio, outside of Idol, following.
His best selling single was his coronation song and it is 500,000 behind WWFM. True his album went platinum, but it did it almost immediately, by Feb. So that was his Idol fanbase. And basically, his genre is not popular anymore. Poor guy, he was at the end of the grunge rocker boom and I don't think it's coming back. I'm not using David's sales for comparison purposes for Adam at all.

ETA: Oh and his single just bombed!

ETA AGAIN!
Was just reading the numbers' thread at MJ's. Looks like Kelly's projected sales and even Cold Play's (Wow!) are 60% of their last album's opening week. 60% puts them at exactly what "experts" say most 2nd albums come in at.
Soooo. if we use that as a guide for Adam, 118.8K would be expected sales.

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 28, 2011 15:15:11 GMT -5

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Post by JazzRocks on Oct 28, 2011 15:15:11 GMT -5

Oh myspenser, you're making me feel soooo good!

I guess I always think of Cook as one of the most popular winners ever and (as you said) his first album was a big initial seller. I never knew much about his single sales. Apparently the large Idol fanbase he had has eroded badly. I don't THINK that has happened to Adam - yet.

And yes I do know that the Idol fanbase is not the answer. He has to move far beyond that. But it should help with first week sales and that's why I was surprised about Cooks low numbers.

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Post by stardust on Oct 31, 2011 11:16:40 GMT -5

Idol Chatter

Idol Airplay

TW/LW

1 1 Kelly Clarkson, Mr. Know It All (11187) (#13 AC, #5 Hot AC, #16 Top 40)

2 2 Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson, Don't You Wanna Stay (3909) (#9 AC)

3 3 Brad Paisley/Carrie Underwood,, Remind Me (3701)

4 4 Daughtry, Crawling Back To You (3689) (#12 Hot AC)

5 5 Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (2113)

6 7 Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (1535)

64 64 Adam Lambert, If I Had You (136)

content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2011/10/kelly-clarkson-goes-top-five-at-hot-ac/1

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10.1.11 - 10.31.11 October Numbers Oct 31, 2011 19:14:11 GMT -5

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Post by rihannsu on Oct 31, 2011 19:14:11 GMT -5

I was looking through what is posted in the record book section and couldn't find album sales. I did find one chart in one of the numbers threads that was through week 53 of rounded soundscan numbers but couldn't find where anyone had collected the actual numbers. I decided to go through the pulse threads as best I could and compile as much of the actual figures as I could. Where the gap was only one week between hard numbers it was possible to fill back. Some places the gap in leaked charts is larger and I just left in rounded numbers. I put an * next to actual hard numbers once I got into the point where there were more gaps. Anything that couldn't be extrapolated from surrounding figures I left the rounded numbers. Later I tagged the info that was from RCAEd's posts some of which are also rounded figures especially later when he started getting flack for giving us numbers. I threw in AL and GNL when I hit those figures.

Could someone take a look and see what maybe should be added to the Record Book section so that we keep a comprehensive record in one spot rather than having to look through numbers thread?

FYE sales
Week 01: -- 03 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 198,466 999 437 198,903
Week 02: 03 22 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 50,999 -74 198,466 249,902
Week 03: 22 27 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 46,429 -9 50,999 296,331
Week 04: 27 26 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 58,584 26 46,429 354,915
Week 05: 26 29 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 61,683 5 58,584 416,598
Week 06: 29 36 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 17,236 -72 61,683 433,834
Week 07: 36 40 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 11,211 -35 17,236 445,045
Week 08: 40 35 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 12,275 9 11,211 457,320
Week 09: 35 21 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 19,618 60 12,275 476,938
Week 10: 21 35 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 15,291 -22 19,618 492,229
Week 11: 35 49 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 13,269 -14 15,291 505,498
Week 12: 49 58 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 13,745 13,269 4 519,243
Week 13: 58 54 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 11,799 13,745 -14 531,042
Week 14: 54 54 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 10,658 11,799 -10 541,700
Week 15: 54 49 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 11,089 10,658 4 552,789
Week 16: 49 71 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 8,672 11,089 -22 561,461
Week 17: 71 71 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 7,807 -10 8,672 569,268
Week 18: 71 65 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 8,258 7,807 6 577,526
Week 19: 65 69 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 9,095 8,258 10 586,621
Week 20: 69 78 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,845 -36 9,095 592,466
Week 21: 78 35 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 12,901 121 5,845 605,367
Week 22: 35 53 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 9,063 -34 12,901 614,430
Week 23: 53 61 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 8499 -7 9063 622,929
Week 24: 61 56 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 9,330 9 8499 632,259
Week 25: 56 56 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 6,544 9,330 -30 638,803
Week 26: 56 62 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 6,547 0 6,544 645,350
Week 27: 62 72 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 6,169 -6 6,547 651,519
Week 28: 72 78 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,301 6,169 -14 656,820
Week 29: 78 116 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,396 5,301 -17 661,216*
Week 30: 116 110 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,182 18 4396 666,398
Week 31: 110 108 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,840 -7 5,182 671,238*
Week 32: 108 100 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,072 6 4,804 676,310*
Week 33: 100 96 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,801 -5 5,072 681,111*
Week 34: 96 95 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,866 1 4,801 685,977
Week 35: 95 99 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,605 -5 4,866 690,582*
Week 36: 99 60 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 7000 51 4,605 698000
Week 37: 60 76 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 6000 -18 7000 703000
Week 38: 76 77 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5000 -9 6000 708000
Week 39: 77 83 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5000 1 5000 714000
Week 40: 83 89 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5000 -5 5000 718568
Week 41: 89 108 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,402 5000 722,970
Week 42: 108 105 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,098 -7 4,402 727,068*
Week 43: 105 118 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,132 1 4,098 731,200*
Week 44: 118 123 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3,426 -17 4,132 734,626
Week 45: 123 158 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3,152 -8 3,426 737,778*
Week 46: 158 166 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,999 -5 3,152 740,777
Week 47: 166 193 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,833 -6 2,999 743,610*
Week 48: 193 187 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,757 -3 2,833 746,367*
Week 49: 187 179 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,810 2 2,757 749,177*
Week 50: 179 173 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3000 -1 2,810 752000
Week 51: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3000 +4 755000
Week 52: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3000 +7 758000
Week 53: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4000 +19 762000
Week 54: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3000 -9 765,196
Week 55: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 4,364 +26 769,560
Week 56: Off Chart 192 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 5,474 25 4,364 775,034*
Week 57: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 7,020 +28 5,474 782054
Week 58: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,950 -58 7016 785,004 (RCAEd)
Week 59: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1867 -37 2950 786,871 (RCAEd)
Week 60: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1,603-14 1867 788,458 (RCAEd)?
Week 61: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1,670 4 1,603 790,128
Week 62: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1,707 2 1,670 791,835 (RCAEd2/3)
Week 63: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2000 794000
Week 64: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 3000 797000
Week 65: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2000 -8 799000 (2/23)
Week 66: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2000 801013
Week 67: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1,701 802,714 (3/9)
Week 68: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 2,058 +21 1,701 804,772 (RCAEd 3/16)
Week 69: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1237 2,058 806,009
Week 70: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 1,525 807,534 (RCAEd 3/30)
?rounded 820,000 (RCAEd 7/7)
?rounded 822,000 (RCAEd 8/3)
?rounded 824,000 (RCAEd 8/17)

Adam Lambert Acoustic Live!
Week 01: --- 126 LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 9,781 9,781
Week 02: 126 167 LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 6,252 -36 9,781 16,559
Week 03: 167 Off LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 1916 -70 6,252 18,475
Week 04: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 834 -56 6,252 19,309 (RCAEd)
Week 05: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 483 -42 834 19,792 (RCAEd)
Week 06: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 362 -25 483 20,154 (RCAEd)
Week 07: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 354 -2 362 20,508
Week 08: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 237 -33 354 20,775(RCAEd 2/3)
Week 09: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! (RCAEd)
Week 10: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! (RCAEd)
Week 11: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! (RCAEd)
Week 12: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 22,106(RCAEd)
Week 13: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 55 22,161(RCAEd)
Week 14: Off 158 LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 3461 +2132 55 25,622 (RCAEd 3/16)
Week 15: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 449 3461 26,071
Week 16: Off Chart LAMBERT*ADAM ACOUSTIC LIVE! 248 449 26,319 (RCAEd 3/30)
?rounded 28,000 (RCAEd 7/7)

Glam Nation Live
Week 01: -- 01 16,853 16,914 ?(sv 61)
Week 02: 01 02 4,356 16,853 21,270
Week 03: 02 03 2,574 4,356 23,844
Week 04: 03 03 1,960 2,574 25,804
Week 05: 03 02 2,021 1,960 27,825 (RCAEd 4/28)
Week 06: 02 ?? 1,579 2,021 29,404
Week 07: ?? ?? 1,603 1,579 31,007 (RCAEd 5/11)
Week ??: 812 34,382 (RCAEd 6/6)
Week ??: 735 35,117
Week ??: 591 35,708 (RCAEd 6/15)
?rounded 37,000 (RCAEd 7/7)
?rounded 39,000 (RCAEd 8/3)
?rounded 40,000 (RCAEd 8/17)
?rounded 41,000 (RCAEd 8/31)

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