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Post by Jablea on Oct 8, 2011 13:31:32 GMT -5
I want to quote these again because there are some really good points. The music business is and has always been cut throat. Lots of people are losing out including the UK remixer and yes even Monte. Here we have a Citizen Vein album put out and Monte is getting zilch credit. He's the one who had the vision, who searched out the talent, who set up the gigs, who had the contacts for the inexpensive recording. I'm not a Monte follower but based on his putting together Citizen Vein and his latest album I don't think that he wants to be known as a session guitarist, he wants to be a little more central to the core of the music put out. It must be as galling for him to have this put out as an Adam album as it is for Adam. Both of them would probably have preferred to have it put out as Citizen Vein or double billed as Monte/Album. Sorry, but if Monte was being blindsided and screwed as much as Adam why wouldn't he immediately publicly denounce? From where If he had nothing at all to do with the whole thing, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by extricating himself from the whole situation. I'm not saying he is or isn't involved, but keeping quiet if he has absolutely nothing to hide is a little confusing, IMO. And the ASCAP screencaps at the beginning of the thread prove that he is getting credit, as is Adam, but the question lies in did either of them sanction this release? Adam stated very clearly in his tweet that he did not. adamlambert Adam Lambert Beg For Mercy project is same as 'Take One'. some songs I worked on 5 yrs ago and never finished. This release comes as a surprise to me... Not that difficult, really. As Q3's clarified in her post Adam is a bit confused too. Beg for Mercy is NOT the same as Take One or Take Two. These are not session songs but Citizen Vein songs. There are some similiarities in that it is the same guy putting them out but two different kettles of fish. Monte isn't in the same boat as Adam as Adam isn't being accused of doing anything wrong, while at the moment Monte is. Which of the two projects should Monte deny? Defending your honor is done a whole different way than defending your vision. |
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Post by 4Ms on Oct 8, 2011 13:31:49 GMT -5
Guys....CLEARLY THE RUSSIAN MAFIA IS BEHIND THIS AND WE NEED TO STFU BEFORE THEY HUNT US DOWN AND EXTERMINATE US ALL. Wut? Did you get one of those DM's from Monte, too??? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 13:32:21 GMT -5
Someone earlier this morning said "another piercing." Hasn't that hole always been there? |
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 8, 2011 13:34:20 GMT -5
What's up with Monte sending threatning DMs to some Adam fans? >:( >:( >:( This situation is getting more and more suspicious.......  Is Monte going on a rant or something? How did you find out about this? Someone at FYE c/p the threatning DM that Monte sent to an Adam fan. >:( >:( |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 8, 2011 13:34:44 GMT -5
There is no rule that Adam had to sign over the rights to pre-Idol songs he wrote to be on Idol. There is also not rule that you cannot have an independent album prior to being on Idol. Lee DeWyze had two indie albums on sale while he was on Idol, Kris had one, etc.
The only rule is that you cannot have an active recording contract when you audition for and participate in Idol.
The CV master recordings are owned by Malcolm Welsford who funded production of the album.
The songs are owned by the songwriters -- Adam and Monte. They would almost certainly had to contract for release of these songs for this recording before the sessions happened.
Somehow these recordings were not released in 2009 and 2010 -- the last two times they were promoted as coming soon. Now they are back with an Amazon listing from a record label that is basically unknown -- Colwel Platinum. [Is this Rufftown AKA Rough Town AKA Coldwater Records?]
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Post by Jablea on Oct 8, 2011 13:35:42 GMT -5
Yeah....could you share with us how you became an Adam fan? We love hearing how newbies here found Adam!  Really? I mean... I'm an older straight guy - so I'm a bit closeted about my fandom in real life. I'd probably look really weird and creepy at a Lambert show but... I've followed on Twitter and have a google news alert set up. True story - I lost a bet with my niece and she (knowing that I really didn't like anything on idol and wouldn't give any of their contestants a chance) played me the whole record. When she could stop gloating and teasing me over what she played (I finally told her to shut up) I found that I actually thought the record was really well written and produced and ultimately I admitted that Adam's just got a great voice. This was about a year ago. Imma thinking you might know (ie be involved with) some stuff about the music biz anduh thatsa why your niece wanted you to listen? |
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Post by stardust on Oct 8, 2011 13:39:04 GMT -5
Could Monte/Lisa/other asshats involved have done this dirty deed for the express purpose of forcing Adam to buy them out? Evidently in this case, friendship and loyalty to Adam mean shit and the $$$$$$ mean everything. :-/ Or..... Monte decided 1. Adam would never release the CV songs if he could help it. 2. Adam was not going to be part of a band, but remain a solo artist. 3. Adam was not going to go rock and would not use his songs on the album. 4. He needed to stop touring and stay home because of 4 kids. 5. His album was selling 6. Maybe he didn't need Adam anymore. |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 8, 2011 13:41:57 GMT -5
What I don't understand is when Adam becomes the huge star we all expect him to be, why would Monte jeopardize hurting their relationship? Also, it's difficult for me to believe/understand how anyone would have such a lack of integrity because their spouse planted "seeds" in their head. Wouldn't show much integrity to begin with. Of course, I could be naive and I never had kids let alone five. Also, if Monty didn't get any money/royalties for the album, what's the point? Both Monty and Adam should get royalties for the release and sale of the CV songs -- they wrote them. The Take One demo recordings are different -- Adam and Monte were paid as session artists and have no royalty agreement. [Based on the lawsuits currently in court, no one involved with Take One got any money -- looks like Rene Moore (head of Rufftown Records and many other gray businesses) kept all the money.] |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 8, 2011 13:43:37 GMT -5
Someone earlier this morning said "another piercing." Hasn't that hole always been there? Not a new piercing. He just does not always wear something there. |
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Post by Jablea on Oct 8, 2011 13:47:28 GMT -5
Now they are back with an Amazon listing from a record label that is basically unknown -- Colwel Platinum. [Is this Rufftown AKA Rough Town AKA Coldwater Records?] Registrant Contact: Colwel Platinum Entertainment Inc Malcolm Welsford () Fax: 200 West 54th St. Suite 7K New York, NY 10019 US COLWEL PLATINUM ENTERTAINMENT INC Att Allen Arrow Esq 111 West 57Th Street Ste 1120 New York, NY 10019 Phone: (212)245-4580 (phones for the lawyer Allen Arrow) Fax: (212)956-6471 Incorporated: 08/2011; Entertainment, Night clubs, comedy clubs, and general forms of social entertainment ------------------------- Posted: Sun., Apr. 25, 1993, 11:00pm PT Arrow to join N.Y. firm By Variety Staff Veteran entertainment attorney Allen H. Arrow announced Friday that he has ended his partnership with West Coast attorneys Jerry Edelstein and Peter Laird to join forces with longstanding Gotham-based law firm Shukat, Hafer & Weber. Arrow is expected to continue handling many of the clients he represented at his previous firm. These include Art Garfunkel, Patti Labelle, Marvin Hamlisch, Bill Lowery, new Broadway musical "Tango Passion" (Mel Howard Prods.) and the north American interests of Shinko Music Group (Japan), Gallo Group (South Africa) and Siegel Group (Germany). "I'm extremely warmed by the expressions of support and loyalty from all of the clients I've been dealing with in the past several years," Arrow said. Arrow is moving into the midtown Manhattan offices currently occupied by Peter Shukat and his partners, Jeff Hafer and Dorothy Weber. Their client roster includes the estates of John Lennon and Miles Davis, Relativity Records, Lenny Kravitz, UB40, Al Dimeola and Academy Award-winning composer Alan Menken. Shukat and partner Gordon Meltzer also run an artist management firm thaT handles Dimeola, Vikki Carr and Kenny Garrett. Contact Variety Staff at news@variety.com |
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