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Post by kathleenpf on Oct 12, 2011 17:09:14 GMT -5
I think this above all is what bothers me. The opportunistic way BFM is being marketed just seems WRONG. Welsford's whole approach IS sleazy. Anything for a buck, indeed. So true! If it had been released last fall or winter, there is a 75% chance I would have bought it. But I can not get the unethical way they are using Adam's name and using Adam's promo from the real album. Just because you can do it, doesn't you should do it. TBH, I don't know if I would buy it even if it was done above board. The Citizen Vein stuff is just not my cup of tea. AT ALL (lol) I'm very happy Adam moved away from this sound. Well, correction, I do like Crawl Thru Fire but that's not part of this, right? And mostly, I just like the performance. Adam can make me like anything LIVE. But, lots of people do like CV and they should have just been up front about and probably would have sold a lot more. I don't get the need for slimy tactics. Maybe Welsford just can't help himself. :  |
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Post by 4Ms on Oct 12, 2011 17:13:29 GMT -5
 The Beg For Mercy site uses Adam's words about Adam #2 in a misleading way to imply that he hinting lyrics from Beg For Mercy:  Monte cites this misleading Beg For Mercy site in a positive way. From a purely artistic standpoint, I must admit that I am proud of this music, after finally hearing clips of these songs again as of last week (hearing finished for the first time here: http://adamlambertalbum.com). I still think they’re great songs years later. There is a lot of heart and soul and positive energy that went into this at the time, which I cannot deny. I have always composed and performed music because I love doing so and because I have a true passion for it. It’s in my blood. And when we recorded these songs at the time, we hoped anything we did would be as big as it could possibly be; no limitations. And I’d imagine that would still come through in this music. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 12, 2011 17:16:03 GMT -5
I think everyone can agree that the labeling and timing is slimy. Actually, Q3, here's a legal question.How can Malcolm Welsford LEGALLY label Beg for Mercy an "Adam Lambert" album and NOT "Citizen Vein" or, at least "Adam Lambert/Monte Pittman??". If Monte has half credit, how can he be legally erased from the cover?? Over half of the sleeze factor of this release is the name on the cover. I'll even take this one step further. How, LEGALLY, does setting up a website called "adamlambertalbum" not be considered a deceptive business tactic? As I recall, 19's contract essentially TRADEMARKS anything an American Idol does for the length of their current contract, which Adam is still under. I don't remember the original language, but I think it covered their image, their name, and whole batch of other stuff. I would think that RCA and 19's lawyers could go to town on this. Not because of any disputes to the rights of the original master recording. But to the use of Adam's image and name to promote it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 17:16:32 GMT -5
The site has added a disclaimer now - "ummm, these don't actually refer to BFM," basically (after how many days)? It so disingenously presents as all "Adam-friendly."
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Post by smokeyvera on Oct 12, 2011 17:17:34 GMT -5
I think there are another considerations in stocking the cd's at stores. Q3 said if a cd didn't sell, it is shipped and then the next time an album comes, consideration may not be given to stock it. So if the bastard album is stocked and languishes, the stores may not stock adam's real album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 17:17:47 GMT -5
Good question!
Of course, the reason it says Adam Lambert on it is because it will get media attention this way and it will be listed under Adam's name at places like Amazon and i-Tunes. The ironic part is, that if it said Citizen Vein on it, probably more of Adam's fans would actually buy the thing! :-/
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Post by durberville on Oct 12, 2011 17:18:02 GMT -5
Monte has stated his facts about these bastard songs and how he has no control over them or their release date. He thinks they are good and for us to decided for ourselves if we want to buy them. I am disappointed that Monte didn't address the timing of this bastard album's release and this slug guy quoting Adam's tweets for his NEW album and connecting then to his bastard album. Monte said he is proud of the songs and wants us to listen to it and decide if we'll buy it and support the artist involved. Monte chose not to address how all this affects Adam and his new music. I have to say I'm disappointed. JMHO  THIS! He is totally promoting the album and makes no reference to the nefarious means by which it's being sold. ...and I'll just  about Dadbert. |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 12, 2011 17:18:12 GMT -5
I think this above all is what bothers me. The opportunistic way BFM is being marketed just seems WRONG. Welsford's whole approach IS sleazy. Anything for a buck, indeed. So true! If it had been released last fall or winter, there is a 75% chance I would have bought it. But I can not get the unethical way they are using Adam's name and using Adam's promo from the real album. Just because you can do it, doesn't you should do it. Without the unethical marketing -- I would have bought this album. I have not been silent about wanting this old music released. But with the despical way it has been marketed, I cannot buy it. But I also will not steal it or promote priracy. Just because these bastards are doing something wrong, does not justify me doing something wrong too. To quote the wise woman known as mys*&@^#r50, "Just because you can do it, doesn't you should do it." What an f'ing mess!! Well, I will just have to distract myself with the NEW REAL SINGLE! |
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Post by Buderschnookie on Oct 12, 2011 17:18:15 GMT -5
Why on earth would Ebert spin this? I just feel as if everyone has decided to let whatever happened go- let us as fans move on, and that was Eber's nudge. If Adam joins in with a que sera-ish tweet we'll know. If he says nothing more I will still suspect. It's just a feeling I got, that's all. |
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Post by 8toinfinity on Oct 12, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
My last comment, I promise ;D Aside from Adam's negativity on the BFM project, from an ethical standpoint I can't purchase it. If they marketed it as CV, featuring Adam Lambert and quit trying to make it seem like this is his new project, I might consider buying it but under the current circumstances, NO WAY Jose. I will not reward slimy creeps. I agree. It's the sleazy use of Adam's name and the timing that are so irritating. As is, I'm going to buy this when:  P.S. - I wish Monte had said something about discussing it with Adam and that they are on the same page or something. I always felt good about Monte. As Irish 1139 said: "He always seemed to be soothing and above the fray on the tour. I always felt like Adam had confidence in Monte above all others." Really hope this all gets ironed out. |
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