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Post by toramenor on Oct 4, 2020 12:15:34 GMT -5
Lenson's comments make no sense. Using his logic, a carpenter shouldn't play the piano, or a math teacher shouldn't paint landscape paintings, or an accountant shouldn't do singing gigs on the side. Anyone should have the chance to prove their talents at something. The best creativity often comes from people outside the realm of a certain skill. And as for Adam, he has worked in theater for quite a while, both upfront as a performer and behind the scenes helping create sets and costumes, etc. He's certainly worthy of trying his hand at creating a musical. And if Lenson thinks "pop stars" are often given special treatment for opportunities, well, join the club. Famous people get all sorts of "ins" due to their fame and fortune. It's just a fact of life. I hope the collaborative project that Adam is working on becomes successful. In the meantime, he is getting valuable experience and is working with others who are recognizing his talent talent. All good. Yeah, I hate that kind of thinking, and it's not just in the arts. You see it everywhere: "must have 10 years experience for entry-level position"??? How the heck do you get experience if you don't do the job? And how do you get the job if you have no experience? There are always people in every company, industry, profession, who are welcoming to "newcomers" and there are always people, like that Lenson guy, who try to put them down and discourage them. I mean, I doubt Adam Lambert will ever even see his comments and he didn't call Lambert out specifically (which shows that at least it's not even about Lambert for him), but this kind of attitude is not really helpful and I doubt it would help his cause of getting musical theatre to be considered more seriously. I honestly don't see how excluding any group of people, pop stars or any others, can be helpful or beneficial to musical theatre. So, even if his goal of keeping musical theatre "pure" (whatever that means to him) was accomplished, he'd still be left with an ailing art form, and probably worse off, because it's natural that pop stars with big names draw a lot of audiences, who otherwise wouldn't have gone to watch a show... I do think that there are some cases when the name is more important to producers than actual talent (like hiring a famous actor who isn't a very good singer for the lead role, or similar stuff) and I too do not want to see that kind of thing happen, but this whole idea of "only certain people should be allowed in our circle" is distasteful - art is about exploring different perspectives and it should be accessible to everyone who wants to participate.
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Post by Jablea on Oct 4, 2020 12:23:55 GMT -5
I'm just reminded of the time Adam said they should have put some real singers into Les Miserables instead of actors singing. He got into some hot water himself.
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Post by cleopatra on Oct 4, 2020 12:30:04 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Oliver might not wish to engage with Glamberts the way Javi did. He has deleted any IG post referencing Adam and only seems to post pubic types of pics on his public account. He has another private IG account where I imagine more personal things are posted. Adam follows him there. I'm sorry, but that's a rather amusing typo. LOL I have no knowledge of Oliver and his social media posting habits, but IMO having a public and a private account is a good way to go under the circumstances. It would not hurt my feelings one bit if Oliver does not engage the fandom, if he and Adam are or become seriously involved.
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Post by mszue on Oct 4, 2020 12:38:21 GMT -5
I'm just reminded of the time Adam said they should have put some real singers into Les Miserables instead of actors singing. He got into some hot water himself. Jablea...I was just thinking along the same lines. The fact is that many, many MT stars are barely known outside of the theatre and it is galling for those who make it their life. Adam made the jump...but it is also the fact that he was never a full on alumni yet, in theatre, and did abandon the genre. He is extraordinarily talented...that we all agree on...but he was only 26/7 when he essentially jumped ship for American Idol and the pop world. Wouldn't it be rich though if his greatest lifetime successes turned out to be in Theatre...where he started? I am really excited to see what, if anything, comes of this collaboration. Talent will always find a way to surface. I wonder if some of the resentment comes from the success of Kinky Boots...that was a phenomenal success by a pop star, Cindi Lauper...and it swept the Tony's. That had to hurt.
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Post by svca on Oct 4, 2020 12:42:28 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Oliver might not wish to engage with Glamberts the way Javi did. He has deleted any IG post referencing Adam and only seems to post pubic types of pics on his public account. He has another private IG account where I imagine more personal things are posted. Adam follows him there. I'm sorry, but that's a rather amusing typo. LOL I have no knowledge of Oliver and his social media posting habits, but IMO having a public and a private account is a good way to go under the circumstances. It would not hurt my feelings one bit if Oliver does not engage the fandom, if he and Adam are or become seriously involved. I agree with this...I always thought Javi's engagement of the fans was pandering...and some of fans' comments made me cringe.
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Post by cleopatra on Oct 4, 2020 12:44:52 GMT -5
I'm just reminded of the time Adam said they should have put some real singers into Les Miserables instead of actors singing. He got into some hot water himself. I don't think Adam's issue was a blanket condemnation of movie stars getting that kind of opportunity over bona fide musical theatre actors; it was that he believed most of those actors just did not have the vocal ability to perform the songs the way they needed to be performed. For him, with his extensive vocal training and musical theatre background, it negatively affected his enjoyment of the film. I'm sure it didn't help that he probably has tons of lesser-known friends and acquaintances who could have knocked those roles out of the park both singing and acting-wise, but I don't recall him saying movie stars, by their very definition, did not have the right to be considered for the cast.
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Post by melliemom on Oct 4, 2020 12:54:43 GMT -5
I'm just reminded of the time Adam said they should have put some real singers into Les Miserables instead of actors singing. He got into some hot water himself. I don't think Adam's issue was a blanket condemnation of movie stars getting that kind of opportunity over bona fide musical theatre actors; it was that he believed most of those actors just did not have the vocal ability to perform the songs the way they needed to be performed. For him, with his extensive vocal training and musical theatre background, it negatively affected his enjoyment of the film. I'm sure it didn't help that he probably has tons of lesser-known friends and acquaintances who could have knocked those roles out of the park both singing and acting-wise, but I don't recall him saying movie stars, by their very definition, did not have the right to be considered for the cast. IMHO,Adam was 100 percent right about the voices in Les Miserables.The acting was fine ,but the vocals ruined the movie for me,to the point that I had to leave the theatre in the middle of the film..The musical comes alive because of the music and the talent of the singers... THe emotion had to be delivered by singers capable of singing the score. It hurt to listen to the cast.If the actors also had great voices no complaint. I think some are comparing apples to oranges.. Adam is just starting out thinking about his future musical.. while the film was finished and out for all to judge.I'm off to listen once again to the dynamic and epic 'Live Around the World'.Personally would love to see tons of streaming for our guys.
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Post by girldrummer on Oct 4, 2020 13:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember that version of Les Miz that was chock full of big stars who were not necessarily singers. I remember the director/producer or whoever saying that the cast choices were done on purpose. In this production they were not looking for top-quality singers. They were looking for other qualities in the actors. So they gave themselves a pass from the get-go. But Adam was having none of it. He felt that a musical should have really good singers. I'm pretty much in agreement with him. But the definition of a "good" singer is pretty broad. We all now great singers that we love who are not technically good singes. Depends on the roles they are playing.
Adam has ALL the qualities required to be a star in musical theater. Hope he gets the chance if he really wants it. He's got years ahead of him to diversify and try lots of things.
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Post by toramenor on Oct 4, 2020 13:22:24 GMT -5
I don't think Adam's issue was a blanket condemnation of movie stars getting that kind of opportunity over bona fide musical theatre actors; it was that he believed most of those actors just did not have the vocal ability to perform the songs the way they needed to be performed. For him, with his extensive vocal training and musical theatre background, it negatively affected his enjoyment of the film. I'm sure it didn't help that he probably has tons of lesser-known friends and acquaintances who could have knocked those roles out of the park both singing and acting-wise, but I don't recall him saying movie stars, by their very definition, did not have the right to be considered for the cast. IMHO,Adam was 100 percent right about the voices in Les Miserables.The acting was fine ,but the vocals ruined the movie for me,to the point that I had to leave the theatre in the middle of the film..The musical comes alive because of the music and the talent of the singers... THe emotion had to be delivered by singers capable of singing the score. It hurt to listen to the cast.If the actors also had great voices no complaint. I think some are comparing apples to oranges.. Adam is just starting out thinking about his future musical.. while the film was finished and out for all to judge.I'm off to listen once again to the dynamic and epic 'Live Around the World'.Personally would love to see tons of streaming for our guys. Yeah, for me too, musicals are first and foremost about singing ability. If the singers can't deliver the songs and the emotions behind the songs, no amount of great scenery or costumes or big names is going to make me enjoy them. Whether we're talking movie musicals, animated musicals or stage productions, the music and the singing has to be great. That's just my opinion. Everybody has their preferences. I'm sure some people loved Val Kilmer in The Ten Commandments, lol. But, on the flip side, there are probably some musicals that would never be made without some big name attached to the production.
In this case, of course, the discussion was about writing a musical, and who "should get the opportunity" to write musicals - an absurd question, in my opinion, because if Cyndi Lauper, or Adam Lambert, or whichever pop star, want to get involved in writing a musical, they should all have the chance to do that. And then we'll see the results. I have no doubt that Adam has a lot to contribute, but we really don't know anything at this point about the amount of his involvement: if he is part of writing the book or any of the songs, if he was helping with developing the story or just a specific character, or providing any other ideas... so the entire "debate" about it is sooo premature. Let's all wait and see what and if anything comes of it and then we can discuss whether we like it or not. (I'm sure I'll like it if Adam is involved, lol.)
Yes, off to listen to Live Around the World - and Velvet! I am not ready to stop listening to Velvet, it's such a good album. I know everyone is probably more interested in LATW right now, and it's so amazing, so well done, but I just love the Velvet songs so much. It's definitely my favourite Adam Lambert album.
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Post by bamafan on Oct 4, 2020 13:34:49 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Oliver might not wish to engage with Glamberts the way Javi did. He has deleted any IG post referencing Adam and only seems to post pubic types of pics on his public account. He has another private IG account where I imagine more personal things are posted. Adam follows him there. I'm sorry, but that's a rather amusing typo. LOL I have no knowledge of Oliver and his social media posting habits, but IMO having a public and a private account is a good way to go under the circumstances. It would not hurt my feelings one bit if Oliver does not engage the fandom, if he and Adam are or become seriously involved. Ooops! lol That wasn't even wishful thinking in this case.
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