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Post by shev66 on Nov 29, 2011 16:33:52 GMT -5
I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high)  ME!! ME!!! I only buy "real" books, too!!! And they are spilling out from every bookshelf in the house! LOL..I buy both...my shelves are overflowing with "real" books and my Kindle is overloaded with e-books !...I never seem to have time to read much anymore ;D |
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Post by evergreen on Nov 29, 2011 16:34:45 GMT -5
Sort of OT, but I would be super happy to buy a cd, dvd or download of the Adam/Queen performance, and I'm sure a few thousand others would, too. It's a shame all the suits can't figure out a way to do this. With today's technology, a first class edited version could have been available within hours, perhaps from MTV, but what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 16:34:55 GMT -5
I have spoken with people who run used book stores who say the bottom has fallen out even of the used book market. One said, "I cannot sell a book at any price." Not even a dollar......Being a writer is a labor of love anyway, but even love has its limits. I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high) Books are not clutter  they are friends  |
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Post by gelly14 on Nov 29, 2011 16:36:41 GMT -5
I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high) ME!! ME!!! I only buy "real" books, too!!! And they are spilling out from every bookshelf in the house! Me too! Me too!! And I don't care if I don't have enough space , I love even the smell of the paper! I want to touch it, to feel it lol! |
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Post by lifetraveler on Nov 29, 2011 16:37:05 GMT -5
Bleah, Chunkey, I'm with you, I totally dl illegally too and TBH I think it's a little idealistic to expect our generation not to dl illegally, as long as it's so damn easy and has no real negative consequences. I of course know it's not ethical, etc etc and I do try to buy to support the artist. But I think the whole illegal downloading at this point is kind of a lost battle, if we are going to have a discussion about the state of the music industry in general (and NOT what I personally do with Adam songs - I never dl them for free).
I'm a big believer that, outside of super important ethical decisions that are very damaging for the soul (e.g. killing someone) people will do whatever they are incentivized/dis-incentivized to do. If you want them to not dl songs illegally, crack down on it. Put protection on cds that you can borrow from the library so that you can't upload the music to iTunes. Prosecute en masse. Etc etc.
Truth is, I'm not sure at this point the music industry wants to do this, because it has already shifted to a model where tours and merch are the primary money makers, and those can actually benefit from illegal dl-ing. There were a couple of artists I discovered through illegal downloading, whose music I would have never bought, but once the music got me interested, I went to see them in concert. So money for the artist that otherwise they wouldn't have gotten from me.
Just an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 16:37:06 GMT -5
I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high) Clearly the only solution to this conundrum is to NEVER EVER READ. , that IS the solution being adopted by most people. I really do wonder about the future of the book. I definitely think that hard copy books will, in the very near future, be collectibles, akin to vinyl records, rather than something people just routinely buy. The thing is that the book industry shot itself in the foot years ago, when it fired all the jobbers and put all of its faith in big-box stores. Anyone remember those racks of paperbacks at the drugstores, full of all types of books? Those were stocked by jobbers, who made it their business to know their customers. In which stores did romances sell? In which stores did westerns sell? Mysteries? Crime stories? Historicals? Current events? Cover designers made the books look lurid and interesting, an impulse purchase, and priced the books cheap enough that it worked. They built several generations of readers who bought a book a week. Then threw it all away. They made it work to find a book. It was interesting what you wrote about it being "technically illegal" to make copies. It is more than "technically illegal." For example, if someone made a bunch of Xerox copies of one of my books, say for a college class, you would see how that was not quite OK, right? But no one thinks anything of it for music or e-books. Digital files are perceived as having a value approaching zero. P.S. I have a ridiculous number of hard copy books. My house looks like a used book store! |
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Post by pjd on Nov 29, 2011 16:37:20 GMT -5
SusieFierceITA to your whole post!!!!! We had Björk  Charlotte Church performed in Salt Lake City too. I was currious, so I did a little looking around (only a little - this isn't complete!) The Canadians seem to have kept it to all Canadians as far as I can tell. The Italians obviously aren't as concerned - Turino included Yoko Ono, Peter Gabriel & Ricky Martin! Australia didn't have that many solo acts - mostly big group things. The Marching Band with 2000 members (for year 2000) was 1000 Australians and 1000 from other countries. I didn't go any further back, but there have been a lot of orchestras and I doubt they ban their non-native members from being part of it. |
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Post by 4Ms on Nov 29, 2011 16:42:46 GMT -5
re: illegal downloading Putting the moral question aside for a moment, I just wanted to say that Aralid, I am most impressed by your directness and honesty here, which seems to me, in the moment, to outweigh any other considerations! I really appreciate your posting your point of view and your gutsiness in expressing it. Personally, while I don't feel all that strongly about it, I don't download music illegally that is legally available for purchase elsewhere (no not even BFM  ). My tumble into this Adam fandom has reinforced this policy--I want to actively support him, and feel I owe other artists the same even if I care less about their success. But then, I can easily afford to do so, which I agree puts me in a very different position from those who can't, and I do think social norms are relevant here--if a whole section of society (mostly younger people) have grown accustomed to downloading in this way, the new norm may shift the moral weight of the act in some way. And then, of course, if I'm honest about it, I've done the equivalent to illegal downloading without a second thought many many times in my life. If a friend gives me a "mix-tape," or burns me a CD of some music he or she likes, both of which have happened many times, I don't, of course, then go out and buy each of those songs again on i-tunes. I don't even consider doing it, and don't give a second thought to the legal status of the "shared" music. This is partly what I mean by moral norms--mix-tapes are an excepted form of music sharing in a way that I suspect illicit downloading is for a whole generation of less-rule-bound, less wealthy music listeners. (Nonotme's interesting info applies here as well.) None of which is really intended to argue for one side or another in this debate--I just think that it's good to be completely honest about the ways in which we all participate in one way or another in the sharing culture. For that matter, a large percentage of the music we enjoy on youtube is equally "illegal," in that it is a violation of copyright laws intended to protect the intellectual property and economic interest of artists. Do I really stand on so much higher ground simply because, instead of illegally downloading a song, I regularly listen to it on youtube? I don't think so. Similarly, when those of us who do not, for example, have cable, watch a show live-streamed on ustream, or via a later youtube, we are "stealing" what we could have legally purchased with a cable package. We all do things like this all the time without a moment's guilt. It's helpful to remember this when evaluating the actions of others. That all having been said, I certainly hope as many people as can buy Trespassing do buy Trespassing, and think the gifting thread is an excellent idea. Totally different topic: I'm cringing horribly for poor Adam at all this marriage talk in the media. I for one didn't interpret his comments to RS so literally at all. He said as recently as the EQ awards that he thinks he's "too young" to be thinking about marriage in any concrete way. I just assumed he meant that now that he's more mature, and in a serious relationship, and marriage is something he could easily imagine himself wanting in the future (unlike when he was younger and couldn't imagine it), he can't legally do it. Geez, it's just been a year! Hubby and I were together for 13 years before we finally tied the knot ;D! I hope Adam can just shrug off all the silly hyperventilating by press and to some extent fans, too (certainly not thinking of anyone in particular here). I'm confident he can. More than anything, of course, I hope that when it comes time that Adam really does actively plan to get married, this retrograde-ass country will have grown up a little and will let him!! I agree with most of what you say, although I did download BFM. I don't feel particularly guilty about it. I don't feel compelled to mail Adam a check for the royalties, for instance. I rationalize that I've purchased enough CDs, DVDs, concert tickets and other merch to make up for it. Aralid, I, too, appreciate your candor. While you may not now be able to contribute financially the way you would like, you are contributing in other ways. Sharing your love of Adam's music with others is a priceless contribution. Adam needs you and your generation, if he's going to have a long career. MWP, ITA with your comments Adam & marriage. |
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Post by nonotme on Nov 29, 2011 16:43:20 GMT -5
I feel like starting with STEP 1: Acquire critical thinking skills, the ability to gather and synthesize knowledge, and the ability to reshape that knowledge into verbal form for a specific audience within set parameters. STEP 2: Start Microsoft Word. LOL.
Exactly!!
And, Juniemoon, I think your avi proves my (non-contested) point that Adam is more than an "auditory content provider," even if record companies sort of think that way about their artists.
Now I'm off to a meeting with several 20-something and 30-something year old volunteers who are helping me develop a non-profit educational program. They probably illegally download music, and are killing bookstores by reading on electronic devices, but I love them dearly because they are giving so freely of their time and talents. Darn this complicated world!
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Post by durberville on Nov 29, 2011 16:46:00 GMT -5
I have spoken with people who run used book stores who say the bottom has fallen out even of the used book market. One said, "I cannot sell a book at any price." Not even a dollar......Being a writer is a labor of love anyway, but even love has its limits. I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high) Hah! I was sitting in an airport lounge surrounded by a multitude of kindle reading passengers and could literally feel the condescension as I pulled out my hard-cover book. >:( Felt like a freakin' dinosaur! (*caresses her books lovingly and sighs*) |
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). My tumble into this Adam fandom has reinforced this policy--I want to actively support him, and feel I owe other artists the same even if I care less about their success. But then, I can easily afford to do so, which I agree puts me in a very different position from those who can't, and I do think social norms are relevant here--if a whole section of society (mostly younger people) have grown accustomed to downloading in this way, the new norm may shift the moral weight of the act in some way. 