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Post by 4Ms on Nov 29, 2011 16:47:37 GMT -5
I swear, at times I feel like I am the only person still buying hard copy books. The weird thing is (don't throw stones), that at times I think so many people are NOT buying books that they are starting to look down at people who do have them! I've had one person look at my book-cluttered house who then actually sniffed and said "You know, my house is so much neater since I got rid of the books and got a Kindle". (The temptation to kick their ass out of my home at that moment was extremely high) Books are not clutter they are friends Yes, books are friends. My books are very friendly with the cobwebs and dust bunnies. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Alison on Nov 29, 2011 16:52:12 GMT -5
[pulls out chapf's smiley...] ME!! ME!!! I only buy "real" books, too!!! And they are spilling out from every bookshelf in the house! Me too! Me too!! And I don't care if I don't have enough space , I love even the smell of the paper! I want to touch it, to feel it lol! Gelly, I love the smell of books too! A lot of people do, according to the fragrance maker for the CB I Hate Perfume line. I have been tempted to buy his most popular fragrance called "In the Library" www.cbihateperfume.com/in-the-library.html
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Post by wonderstruck on Nov 29, 2011 16:55:34 GMT -5
Bleah, Chunkey, I'm with you, I totally dl illegally too and TBH I think it's a little idealistic to expect our generation not to dl illegally, as long as it's so damn easy and has no real negative consequences. I of course know it's not ethical, etc etc and I do try to buy to support the artist. But I think the whole illegal downloading at this point is kind of a lost battle, if we are going to have a discussion about the state of the music industry in general (and NOT what I personally do with Adam songs - I never dl them for free). I'm not much older than your generation and I personally think it's a total cop-out to say it's "just what we do" when it comes to illegal downloading. When I was a teen shoplifting was all the rage.... no harm no foul teens said, stores can afford it....etc. it was stealing plain and simple. and so is illegal downloading. and there are negative consequences, look at the music industry today. it's in the shitter because of illegal downloading. Music is selling a fraction of what it did just five years ago. That costs people their jobs, their futures, their dreams. also, if you wouldn't download Adam's songs for free, why would you do it to other artists? Adam isn't any better or different just because you happen to stan him IMO. sadly you're right. People have become desensitized to illegal downloading. They don't see it as a crime but it is. I wish they would crack down. I think the music industry would love to stop illegal downloading. The model of tour/merch was always in place as a means for the ARTIST to make money. They never made much off the sale of albums. that was the record companies money for the most part. Now it's become necessary for the labels to dip into the touring to make back their money on the artists because even though albums aren't selling they still cost the same or more to produce and distribute. They don't get recorded, pressed and shipped for free. It is all just an opinion and it's cool to see varying ones but the fact is illegal downloading is no different than if you went to walmart and stuck a CD in your purse and walked out without paying for it. P.S. I'd love to see Adam perform with Queen at the Olympics. that's be awesome
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Post by gelly14 on Nov 29, 2011 16:56:49 GMT -5
Me too! Me too!! And I don't care if I don't have enough space , I love even the smell of the paper! I want to touch it, to feel it lol! Gelly, I love the smell of books too! A lot of people do, according to the fragrance maker for the CB I Hate Perfume line. I have been tempted to buy his most popular fragrance called "In the Library" www.cbihateperfume.com/in-the-library.htmlOMG I can't believe it hahaha thank you for this link! :D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 16:57:08 GMT -5
sugaree, you raised an interesting point about used books. The sale of used books is actually protected by copyright law, which aims to balance the rights of "content creators" with the dissemination of information. There is a "first sale" doctrine which entitles the creator to royalties only for the first sale of each physical copy. After that, the owner of that copy can dispose of it freely.
This has no impact on the content of the book, just its physical manifestation. It doesn't mean you can scan the book and put it on the Internet without permission. It just means you can sell your one copy, or give it to Uncle Ned. The music industry fought "First Sale" for years. Some may remember Garth Brooks crusading against it.
evergreen, I agree that I would have bought a download of the Queen performance in a minute! I really don't understand what's so hard about it. There is a mint of money being left on the table by not taking advantage of the technology. Imagine what you could do. For example, if Adam had a concert photographer, he could sell downloads of photos from every concert. That way, you could get great photos of YOUR concert, and get them put on everything from t-shirts to coffee mugs to calendars. It would be so easy to do these days.
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Post by pjd on Nov 29, 2011 16:58:24 GMT -5
I still buy my very favorite authors (that I know I will be re-reading for years to come) in hardback. This is similar to my buying every legitamate offering from Adam- often both physical copies AND digital!
My "paperback" purchases are split between actual real books and ebooks. I would prefer to buy these as ebooks - they are mostly silly romances that I read for light, escapist reading - but when the ebook costs the same $7.99 as the paperback I tend to buy the paperback just because I am annoyed. If I thought that the author was getting more money for the ebook, I would probably buy it - but I suspect that the publisher or distributor is making the extra profit. It just plain HAS to be cheaper to publish an ebook - no printing costs, no buying paper, no binding, no shipping, no physical stock to keep in stores - yet is costs me exactly the same - or sometimes a whole 50 cents to 1 dollar less? I do buy ebooks from less well known authors for less - often those books aren't even available as print copies.
I think the whole ebook market is still shaking out. One big problem for me is that if I already own a hardback copy that I probably paid around $20 but I want to take it with me on vacation to reread - do I really shell out another $7.99 - $9.99 to buy the same book again?
I had the same problem with re-buying music from Vinyl to tape to CD to digital and there are still a few vinyl albums that I still haven't re-purchased. A few have been copied to MP3 with one of those record players that plugs into a USB port and rips them. Is it OK to do that? Would it be any "worse" for me to find "free" downloads of those songs and use those rather than rip them myself? How many times do I have to buy the same material?
Not expecting answers, but these are all issues with "content" in this new digital age.
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Nov 29, 2011 17:01:09 GMT -5
Bleah, Chunkey, I'm with you, I totally dl illegally too and TBH I think it's a little idealistic to expect our generation not to dl illegally, as long as it's so damn easy and has no real negative consequences. I of course know it's not ethical, etc etc and I do try to buy to support the artist. But I think the whole illegal downloading at this point is kind of a lost battle, if we are going to have a discussion about the state of the music industry in general (and NOT what I personally do with Adam songs - I never dl them for free). I'm not much older than your generation and I personally think it's a total cop-out to say it's "just what we do" when it comes to illegal downloading. When I was a teen shoplifting was all the rage.... no harm no foul teens said, stores can afford it....etc. it was stealing plain and simple. and so is illegal downloading. and there are negative consequences, look at the music industry today. it's in the shitter because of illegal downloading. Music is selling a fraction of what it did just five years ago. That costs people their jobs, their futures, their dreams. also, if you wouldn't download Adam's songs for free, why would you do it to other artists? Adam isn't any better or different just because you happen to stan him IMO. sadly you're right. People have become desensitized to illegal downloading. They don't see it as a crime but it is. I wish they would crack down. I think the music industry would love to stop illegal downloading. The model of tour/merch was always in place as a means for the ARTIST to make money. They never made much off the sale of albums. that was the record companies money for the most part. Now it's become necessary for the labels to dip into the touring to make back their money on the artists because even though albums aren't selling they still cost the same or more to produce and distribute. They don't get recorded, pressed and shipped for free. It is all just an opinion and it's cool to see varying ones but the fact is illegal downloading is no different than if you went to walmart and stuck a CD in your purse and walked out without paying for it. P.S. I'd love to see Adam perform with Queen at the Olympics. that's be awesome I don't think ANYONE said that just because it's what people do makes it RIGHT. Of course it doesn't. Duh. Unfortunately illegal downloading HAS become the norm whether you like it or not or whether it's ethical or not. It just has. To state that is not a cop out, it's simply a FACT. The pandora's box has been opened and cannot be closed again imo. Understanding that reality does not mean we don't realize that it's not an ethical thing to do.
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Post by evergreen on Nov 29, 2011 17:12:13 GMT -5
One of the things that puzzles me about Viacom taking down the videos of the Adam/Queen performance is that it would make sense if there were plans to distribute it for sale. However, if there are no such plans, it is priceless free promo for everyone involved. I'm sure many who saw it looked for Adam in other places, and both old and new Queen fans visited their site as well.
If MTV wanted us to just see it at their site, they could have made it much easier to find there. Did they take down the performances of other artists? I didn't check on that at all.
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Post by midwifespal on Nov 29, 2011 17:13:05 GMT -5
Me too! Me too!! And I don't care if I don't have enough space , I love even the smell of the paper! I want to touch it, to feel it lol! Gelly, I love the smell of books too! A lot of people do, according to the fragrance maker for the CB I Hate Perfume line. I have been tempted to buy his most popular fragrance called "In the Library" www.cbihateperfume.com/in-the-library.htmlFear no more, help is at hand! Yes--It actually exists explicitly for your kindle! ;D smellofbooks.com/LOL reminds me of the ridiculous "page turning" sound some of these book-apps make, like that's what you're missing... As a (wannabe) writer, I totally share in the worry of the "content providers." I had to move on from my last steady writing gig--restaurant reviewing--because so many people were providing theoretically competitive content online for free that my editors had to switch to essentially volunteer labor. And Amazon has totally killed the industry--first used book stores, and now the big box bookstores, too. Frankly, I'm all for the rise of the Kindle--it's the last hope of the book industry, as far as I can tell! Even highly successful authors with six-figure advances are doing pitifully judging by the standards of people with corresponding degrees of fame/success in other fields, say TV. Think about it: a book takes years to write--lets say it gets bought for $200,000 (a truly extravagant sum by most publishing standards)--split that over 4 years, give at least 15% to the agent, use some of what's left to cover expenses such as research and promotion, subtract the benefits the come with most salaried jobs, and you've got a pretty piddling amount left to play with. And because it generally comes in a lump sum it's taxed at a higher rate, too. Not a very good deal. And that's the extraordinary success story we're talking about. Similar deal in the music industry--Nonotme's list makes a whole lot of sense. You can be pretty damn well known and pretty damn successful and still need to tour like mad to get by. ETA: other topic, but illegality on its own has close to no impact on an action's moral worth, as far as I'm concerned. I don't have nearly enough respect for our so-called legal system (cough gay-marriage cough) for that to carry any real weight with me. Which isn't to say that it's a totally innocent thing to do--I don't think it is--but I still don't see why it's any worse than mix-tapes, watching you-tubes, sharing a CD, or, as someone mentioned earlier, re-gifting a read book. We all have our little economies, and most of them are at least somewhat sensible. Plus, like a couple of people have pointed out, there are also up-sides for the artist. Not a proponent, but we're all little criminals in one way or another
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Post by seoulmate on Nov 29, 2011 17:13:26 GMT -5
Forgot to say BIG WELCOME to kitty!!! One of my favorite movies is UP, and I just found a gif of Ellie popping up and saying "Hi". So, here's a big "Hi" for you, kitty!
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