QueeenAl
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Post by QueeenAl on Dec 23, 2011 21:54:44 GMT -5
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Post by virg1877 on Dec 23, 2011 21:59:39 GMT -5
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QueeenAl
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Fell so hard for this man, will never get up.
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Post by QueeenAl on Dec 23, 2011 22:04:01 GMT -5
seoulmate is offline right now , but no prob, I take them ;-) ETA: and keep them save for her for later o/c
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Post by virg1877 on Dec 23, 2011 22:04:48 GMT -5
Is that you around :15 in the vid? If it is, then it looks like Finland's having a heatwave! Everyone's wearing T-shirts! Yes, I'm on Adam's left side Always a heatwave when Adam is around ... and wearing the same clothes we was wearing from the night before
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Post by mayumi on Dec 23, 2011 22:05:33 GMT -5
Hi Virg: beautiful pics, thanks! I also know you - from another board that I have been part of only for a short time. I like it here so much better and have met many who are now a big part of my life. You were so kind to get me and my niece and nephew tickets at the Borgata and alerted me about the wrist bands so we were able to get to the very front with you. That was my first GNT and a memorable one, thanks to you. I hope to see you again during one of the concerts.
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Post by virg1877 on Dec 23, 2011 22:13:01 GMT -5
Hi Virg: beautiful pics, thanks! I also know you - from another board that I have been part of only for a short time. I like it here so much better and have met many who are now a big part of my life. You were so kind to get me and my niece and nephew tickets at the Borgata and alerted me about the wrist bands so we were able to get to the very front with you. That was my first GNT and a memorable one, thanks to you. I hope to see you again during one of the concerts. Mayumi HELLO my friend/glambertine sista! I was soo happy to meet you at the Borgata!
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NoAngel
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Post by NoAngel on Dec 23, 2011 22:18:03 GMT -5
*****************SCROLL, PLEASE, IF YOU ARE SICK OF IT/ME (UNDERSTANDABLE)******* Harvey Levin made lots of assumptions about what actually happened between Adam and Sauli, but when his cast-mates finally called him out on exaggerating the DEGREE of whatever it was that happened, Harvey said that even a push can (and does) land people in jail sometimes, particularly in domestic partner situations. Whatever it was, it wasn't just a "scuffle," really, because of the context. Neither Adam nor Sauli is a pap taunting the other. They're not strangers who ended up in a bar fight - not even two guy friends who in a bad moment ended up in a pushing match. They're a couple, they're LOVERS. And even a push IS "cross[ing] the line." You have to compare them to other couples, other LOVERS. That was Harvey's point, I thought, and I THINK I agree (but I don't know for sure because Adam and Harvey share some perspective that I do not). SKYLAR, Yesterday you wrote something that really, really stuck with me: "Few of us have had to deal with the heightened level of insecurities and relationship fears that seem to be an unavoidable part of growing up gay in the U.S." I too often look at Adam Lambert as some amazing, glorious man who has beautifully, and unbelievably, managed to emerge UNSCATHED from growing up gay in the U.S. It's a very powerful and emotional thought for me. And it is absolutely not fair to Adam who, of course, IS beautifully . . . human. Adam is so honest. To me, it was signficant he said "no punches, no injuries, no charges" . . . but not, "no violence." He's deep. Listen, I sense the desire to move on to the music, and I will. I am just the world's SLOWEST processor of my feelings, though, and I've had to figure out why I still have so many about this while clearly not everyone does. I mean, I can't pretend Adam hasn't been a passionate (obsessive) interest of mine for two years now and I F-LOVE him EVEN more than ever right now because goddamn if he didn't, with his very first song, take us, as he promised he would, right into something deep, personal, and dark. And human and fascinating and, to me, a little heart-breaking. I mean, DAMN, from that sleepy, sexy, perfect couple in my mind Sauli picture to . . . what's this gate called, anyway? Are you all "whacking the mole"? (That sounds bad.) Bridget, thank you for this post. So much of what you say resonates with me, and I too am a slow processor of feelings. This "gate" has been the toughest one so far for me, for reasons that are much more about me than they are about Adam. I recognize that, and I'll find a way to reconcile myself to a slightly different reality. Ultimately it's a good thing. Pedestals are for statues, not people.
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Post by Alison on Dec 23, 2011 22:22:43 GMT -5
Bridget, I am certainly not sick of your posts. I am a slow processor too and have been on the same page as you this whole time. Adam is not only my favorite singer/performer but he has become quite important in the way I process many of my thoughts and feelings about culture, politics, relationships, etc. I have grown in many ways since "Mama" because of the example of Adam and my friends at ATOP.
Love to you all.
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Post by reihmer on Dec 23, 2011 22:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by skylar on Dec 23, 2011 22:44:59 GMT -5
*****************SCROLL, PLEASE, IF YOU ARE SICK OF IT/ME (UNDERSTANDABLE)******* Harvey Levin made lots of assumptions about what actually happened between Adam and Sauli, but when his cast-mates finally called him out on exaggerating the DEGREE of whatever it was that happened, Harvey said that even a push can (and does) land people in jail sometimes, particularly in domestic partner situations. Whatever it was, it wasn't just a "scuffle," really, because of the context. Neither Adam nor Sauli is a pap taunting the other. They're not strangers who ended up in a bar fight - not even two guy friends who in a bad moment ended up in a pushing match. They're a couple, they're LOVERS. And even a push IS "cross[ing] the line." You have to compare them to other couples, other LOVERS. That was Harvey's point, I thought, and I THINK I agree (but I don't know for sure because Adam and Harvey share some perspective that I do not). SKYLAR, Yesterday you wrote something that really, really stuck with me: "Few of us have had to deal with the heightened level of insecurities and relationship fears that seem to be an unavoidable part of growing up gay in the U.S." I too often look at Adam Lambert as some amazing, glorious man who has beautifully, and unbelievably, managed to emerge UNSCATHED from growing up gay in the U.S. It's a very powerful and emotional thought for me. And it is absolutely not fair to Adam who, of course, IS beautifully . . . human. Adam is so honest. To me, it was signficant he said "no punches, no injuries, no charges" . . . but not, "no violence." He's deep. Listen, I sense the desire to move on to the music, and I will. I am just the world's SLOWEST processor of my feelings, though, and I've had to figure out why I still have so many about this while clearly not everyone does. I mean, I can't pretend Adam hasn't been a passionate (obsessive) interest of mine for two years now and I F-LOVE him EVEN more than ever right now because goddamn if he didn't, with his very first song, take us, as he promised he would, right into something deep, personal, and dark. And human and fascinating and, to me, a little heart-breaking. I mean, DAMN, from that sleepy, sexy, perfect couple in my mind Sauli picture to . . . what's this gate called, anyway? Are you all "whacking the mole"? (That sounds bad.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FEEL FREE TO SCROLL PAST THIS POST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT Helsinki-Gate and are completely uninterested in psychology. Hi Bridget! Loved your post! Yes, I think about the reasonably normal insecurities I have and I didn't go through near what someone goes through if they are gay, whether closeted or not. Teen years are brutal even when you are not LBGT! First crushes for a gay boy might be on a straight boy they cannot have or let anyone know they like and they are likely not surrounded by a group of boys who include someone who has a crush on them. They must feel incredibly alone. The straight boys are not only not necessarily attracted to them, they are often ridiculing them. So, they must feel unattractive and completely rejected. Even with an incredible mom. There is only so much a mother can do to protect a child. Adam is amazing. He has been brutally and courageously honest in saying that he suffered at times from poor self-image and low self-esteem and that he can be possessive which is linked to the former two. He is human. I'll bet Sauli's older sisters, and most certainly his twin sister, were a large part of Sauli's healthy self confidence. We know nothing of his background, how he "came out", how his father reacted, or what the culture is like in finland for LGBT. I would love to know because I love learning about other cultures. Who knows maybe even sunshine Sauli has some issues we don't know about. People don't usually openly discuss these things like Adam has so courageously done. Fully shedding the past and past fears and insecurities is not easy. It takes an incredible amount of hard work, self honesty, willingness to apologize and try again, and again until you break that new habit and new way of being in. Some studies have shown that it takes 21 times of doing something to make it a habit. That is a lot of "I'm sorry and I'll try harder next time"s. It is easy to get discouraged and give up trying to change something like an automatic jealousy response, possessiveness stemming from insecurities. Also, having open relationships seems to be a lot more common in gay culture which I would think could lead to A LOT more fears and jealousy issues when you are in a monogamous relationship. Learning to successfully self regulate and release strong emotions can make the difference between success and failure in life. If we don't learn then they control us. When he's sober he seems to manage them extremely well, amazingly well.
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