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Post by evergreen on Dec 24, 2011 0:08:08 GMT -5
I was talking with my sister about yesterday's roller coaster ride. Her response was pfftt - she's currently reading Keith Richards' autobiography. ;)That sort of puts it in perspective, doesn't it? At least from a "big picture" entertainment industry view. It's just that we are so invested in Adam - we care about him so much - that it really is like having one of our own (family, children, whatever) going through a really hard time and not being able to do much, if anything, to help. And we know that, as Savvy said, these are two men, not boys. Pretty capable men, at that. But still... when our grown children or those close to us suffer, we still worry, right? I don't do twitter, so haven't seen what the response has been in general. Hope Adam's seen lots of love there. I must add - great posts by those ahead of me. What a super group here.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 0:08:53 GMT -5
Without knowing what the law is I would call the situation yesterday like a bar brawl between friends or brothers rather than a domestic violence situation.
I think to be a domestic violence situation there has to be an aggressor and a victim and as far as we know they were both equally aggressors and neither was a victim.
Also, I don't think it can be compared to a situation where one partner is female. In most societies men gay or straight are brought up never to hit women and would not retaliate physically if a women hit them first. Adam doesn't see Sauli as a woman and Sauli doesn't see Adam as a woman so the same rules just don't apply.
Sorry if I'm repeating what someone has already said. I'm also a slow processor but have been thinking about this all day.
I'm not sure if the level of violence was enough to justify them spending the night in jail but then I wasn't there to see what happened If a women slaps her mans face because she found he had been cheating on her should she spend the night in jail? From what Adam said in his tweet they did not strike each other so what happened doesn't even sound as bad as that.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Dec 24, 2011 0:11:17 GMT -5
Stardust, Skylar, Bridget, Alison and NoAngel, Ksha518 and all the other "slow processors" I'm with you, thanks for your words, this gate is the toughest one for me, and it takes a little time to pass through.
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Post by ladyoz on Dec 24, 2011 0:20:26 GMT -5
I've linked a video about Finland and where Santa comes from :
Adam did say he wanted to Go to Lapland to meet Santa (beware not your typical Christmas tale) but interesting and very well produced - :D
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Dec 24, 2011 0:35:00 GMT -5
Gah. A push is now considered domestic abuse?
[eyerolls wryly]
Ok, maybe my POV is different than others, but lord know my husband and I have had some massively doozy arguments over the years. Not that often, but when they occurred, they were of the shouting in each other's faces variety, and - yes - there was sometimes pushing involved. No one has ever thrown a punch, but there sure has been physical contact. Frankly, both of us give as good as we get. And after we're all yelled out, and one if not both of us admit that maybe we've been a stubborn bonehead....we hug and make up.
I've known that idjot since I was was a teenager and have been married to him longer than I'm comfortable thinking about. We drive each other nuts, but we've lasted through both hard times and wonderful times. A few angry shoves haven't killed us, and I doubt it will Adam and Sauli either.
ETA: Look, I know different people have different sensitivities about this topic. But frankly, people who ridgidly state that "any physical contact = abuse" (ex Levin) just piss me off.
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Post by stardust on Dec 24, 2011 0:57:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 1:07:03 GMT -5
Without knowing what the law is I would call the situation yesterday like a bar brawl between friends or brothers rather than a domestic violence situation. I think to be a domestic violence situation there has to be an aggressor and a victim and as far as we know they were both equally aggressors and neither was a victim.Also, I don't think it can be compared to a situation where one partner is female. In most societies men gay or straight are brought up never to hit women and would not retaliate physically if a women hit them first. Adam doesn't see Sauli as a woman and Sauli doesn't see Adam as a woman so the same rules just don't apply. Sorry if I'm repeating what someone has already said. I'm also a slow processor but have been thinking about this all day. I'm not sure if the level of violence was enough to justify them spending the night in jail but then I wasn't there to see what happened If a women slaps her mans face because she found he had been cheating on her should she spend the night in jail? From what Adam said in his tweet they did not strike each other so what happened doesn't even sound as bad as that. This is exactly what I think about the whole situation. There are too many unknowns, I think, for a judgement to be made about violence, domestic or otherwise. |
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Post by scotia on Dec 24, 2011 1:32:58 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed reading all the posts here the last couple of days. I didn't get on the board until maybe noon yesterday and when I read the initial coverage on p. 1 before we knew more about what had happened, my heart sank. It brought back the AMA feelings only worse. I had to leave for several hours to run errands and felt better when I got back and read some of the updates. I know, for myself personally, I am waaaay too invested in Adam and Sauli as a couple. This is something I need to work on as one of my first thoughts was about oh, no, what if they break up  I am hoping maybe Adam had a chance to meet Sauli's dad and sisters earlier in the week before the 'incident' happened, so that the actual holiday gathering will go better...in that they had a chance to make a favorable first impression of Adam before anything negative happened. I did feel bad when I read somewhere in all the coverage (and don't even remember the source or know if it is true that Sauli's sister was crying....it sounded like maybe she was there at DTM). I could be totally wrong though. Late last night I did get a huge laugh from the lyrics to the re-written FYE...it just totally cracked me up! I wonder if anyone sent them to Adam....I think he and Sauli may think they were funny also. Well, I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and thank you for the wonderful posts, pictures and info that are on this fantastic board all year round  I think the thread is dead now...I always am reading late at night and the new thread is usually up by then.... |
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Post by skylar on Dec 24, 2011 3:03:57 GMT -5
Stardust, Skylar, Bridget, Alison and NoAngel, Ksha518 and all the other "slow processors" I'm with you, thanks for your words, this gate is the toughest one for me, and it takes a little time to pass through. Respect for all manner of processing. Amazing to care this much and to be aware that I care this much. Sirens, muses, and pop-ish rock gods, you can't live with them, can't live without them ; ) I'm really not big on any part of the human pain and suffering requirement of this grand experiment called life; mild, severe, conscious, unconscious, karmic, whatever. Bring back that good ol childlike bliss in eden/ elysian fields (with Adam softly singing) option. peace and love (the non-corny kind) to all processors : ) |
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Post by JazzRocks on Dec 24, 2011 9:44:11 GMT -5
Gah. A push is now considered domestic abuse? [eyerolls wryly] Ok, maybe my POV is different than others, but lord know my husband and I have had some massively doozy arguments over the years. Not that often, but when they occurred, they were of the shouting in each other's faces variety, and - yes - there was sometimes pushing involved. No one has ever thrown a punch, but there sure has been physical contact. Frankly, both of us give as good as we get. And after we're all yelled out, and one if not both of us admit that maybe we've been a stubborn bonehead....we hug and make up. I've known that idjot since I was was a teenager and have been married to him longer than I'm comfortable thinking about. We drive each other nuts, but we've lasted through both hard times and wonderful times. A few angry shoves haven't killed us, and I doubt it will Adam and Sauli either. ETA: Look, I know different people have different sensitivities about this topic. But frankly, people who ridgidly state that "any physical contact = abuse" (ex Levin) just piss me off. I never get to read the end of threads til the next morning so everything is (literally) yesterday's news by then. So in a nutshell I just wanna say I'm in your corner on this HSM. Especially the last line. |
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