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Post by iceish on Mar 4, 2012 7:51:04 GMT -5
I liked the demo too. I was just feeling bad that Adam is so proud of his songs and he mentioned he wanted Cuckoo for the first single, everyone who hears it loves it, can't get it out of their heads, but RCA keeps using other songs. exactly, I like NCOE, but don't want it to be the second single. This is what I exactly feel about the Bruno song. I Like the Bruno Demo, but for me, NCOE is not as classic/catchy as It will rain and it's kind of dancey and outdated. Don't know it will fit well with the current chart, it has to change up a lot to fit the chart. We will never know how the public/causal fans react if Adam never have a chance to release his own songs. Why this seems so hard for him while others can??? |
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Post by aralid on Mar 4, 2012 9:46:35 GMT -5
exactly, I like NCOE, but don't want it to be the second single. This is what I exactly feel about the Bruno song. I Like the Bruno Demo, but for me, NCOE is not as classic/catchy as It will rain and it's kind of dancey and outdated. Don't know it will fit well with the current chart, it has to change up a lot to fit the chart. We will never know how the public/causal fans react if Adam never have a chance to release his own songs. Why this seems so hard for him while others can??? What does "fit into the charts" mean? And do we really want that? Adam to fit in? Adam is different and exciting and creative and does not fit in, so why should his songs do? I'm not criticizing you. It is just something I thought about since the BTIKM release. Then everyone said, that is radio-friendly and I had these questions in my head. Is that the right way and the right first single for Adam? It's RCA decision and even if I don't like the decision, I will stand behind it and will tell everyone how much I like the song, request it and vote for it. I really like BTIKM as a song, but not as the first single. A great pop song has not to fit in, it has to stand out in my opinion IMO. I have watched the Queen docu a few weeks ago and remember, that label and management said, that Bohemian Rhapsody is too long, too different, radio won't play it and that they should not release it, but then a DJ heard the song, loved it, took it without permission and played it like crazy in his show and it became an hit. Something that's different and never seen before invokes feelings in people. They love it or hate it, but they want to talk about it. Something like that won't happen to a song or a person that just "fits in". That's why media loves Adam and why people don't even remember the guy who won AI season 8  . Trespassing seems to be a song, that will stand out, and Cuckoo, too, the UK guys, who have heard it, cannot forget it and cannot stop talking about it. That's what Adam needs and if there are songs like that on the album, why should they release NCOE even with a more current production. NCOE does not stand out for me. That decision would be a safe one again. RCA should take risk, because everything else would not be true to Adam. In a perfect world RCA would choose the song, that is true to Adam as an artist. Adam takes risks. And Trespassing and Cuckoo seem to be great pop songs, that also fulfill that. I don't know why I have so hard feelings about this topic :-/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 10:11:33 GMT -5
That's exactly where I am on this. I just feel like Adam is so strong about the message of this album, the theme, and his songs. If he finds he has resitance from radio, I want him to go down fighting with his songs, not someone elses! And imagining how Adam feels about it inside, while on the outside he is singing the praises of his label, well....... talk about having a great employee!!
I honestly think radio wants to play Adam, I really do. I just think the big PDs, like Z, do not think BTIKM is their cup of tea.
If NCOE is big and RCA then feels like they can release Cuckoo or Trespassing, I will get over this. But for right now, I'm just a little bit mad at them.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 4, 2012 11:50:16 GMT -5
exactly, I like NCOE, but don't want it to be the second single. This is what I exactly feel about the Bruno song. I Like the Bruno Demo, but for me, NCOE is not as classic/catchy as It will rain and it's kind of dancey and outdated. Don't know it will fit well with the current chart, it has to change up a lot to fit the chart. We will never know how the public/causal fans react if Adam never have a chance to release his own songs. Why this seems so hard for him while others can??? Adam isn't an established songwriter like others are. Kelly Clarkson's first three singles from this era are not co writes. No one cares that Stronger isn't a song that she doesn't have co writing credits on. It is #1 in several countries and in the US and it is helping her sell 80-100K a month of albums in the middle of the winter. I would rather have something like that than a co write that might struggle on the charts. This really isn't the time to take chances. If they put out another single that does the same as this first one, we could see the album pushed back for a few months. I want them to put out a single that will get significant Pop play, the rest of the details about the song don't matter to me! It doesn't matter who writes the song or who sings/raps on part of it or what the song is about, it just NEEDS to be a Pop hit! Why? They are trying to get a Pop hit? They are trying to get get the best situation possible for this album? They are getting Adam the producers and songwriters he wants, but trying to find him a couple of Pop hits in the process. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 11:52:37 GMT -5
I may be wrong, I'll have to pull out my liner notes, but I don't think Kelly wrote most of the songs on this album, did she? And a co-write with Bonnie is probably really a kickass song. Plus, why Dr Luke again?!  That's part of the point of us talking about RCA playing it too safe. BTIKM is the single they chose, probably not the one Adam preferred to be first. So, so far, playing it safe hasn't exactly worked. |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 4, 2012 11:57:03 GMT -5
I may be wrong, I'll have to pull out my liner notes, but I don't think Kelly wrote most of the songs on this album, did she? And a co-write with Bonnie is probably really a kickass song. Plus, why Dr Luke again?! She had 6 or 7 co writes and she is an experienced songwriter! Don't be surprised when Adam ends up with the same! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 12:03:09 GMT -5
I may be wrong, I'll have to pull out my liner notes, but I don't think Kelly wrote most of the songs on this album, did she? And a co-write with Bonnie is probably really a kickass song. Plus, why Dr Luke again?! She had 6 or 7 co writes and she is an experienced songwriter! Don't be surprised when Adam ends up with the same! Unless they completely change the track list, it looks like 9 out of 12 tracks will be Adam co-writes. For the deluxe, who knows, there could be more? |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 4, 2012 12:12:30 GMT -5
She had 6 or 7 co writes and she is an experienced songwriter! Don't be surprised when Adam ends up with the same! Unless they completely change the track list, it looks like 9 out of 12 tracks will be Adam co-writes. For the deluxe, who knows, there could be more? They could change the track list. They did it to Cook and Kelly. I'm not hoping for things to turn out this way, it's just I won't be surprised if it happens. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 4, 2012 12:23:32 GMT -5
Personally I don't care if the next single is co-written or not, and I'll wait to hear the finished track before making any judgments.
Did we get numbers today? Should be a few songs going recurrent, no?
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 4, 2012 12:28:53 GMT -5
This is what I exactly feel about the Bruno song. I Like the Bruno Demo, but for me, NCOE is not as classic/catchy as It will rain and it's kind of dancey and outdated. Don't know it will fit well with the current chart, it has to change up a lot to fit the chart. We will never know how the public/causal fans react if Adam never have a chance to release his own songs. Why this seems so hard for him while others can??? What does "fit into the charts" mean? And do we really want that? Adam to fit in? Adam is different and exciting and creative and does not fit in, so why should his songs do? I'm not criticizing you. It is just something I thought about since the BTIKM release. Then everyone said, that is radio-friendly and I had these questions in my head. Is that the right way and the right first single for Adam? It's RCA decision and even if I don't like the decision, I will stand behind it and will tell everyone how much I like the song, request it and vote for it. I really like BTIKM as a song, but not as the first single. A great pop song has not to fit in, it has to stand out in my opinion IMO. I have watched the Queen docu a few weeks ago and remember, that label and management said, that Bohemian Rhapsody is too long, too different, radio won't play it and that they should not release it, but then a DJ heard the song, loved it, took it without permission and played it like crazy in his show and it became an hit. Something that's different and never seen before invokes feelings in people. They love it or hate it, but they want to talk about it. Something like that won't happen to a song or a person that just "fits in". That's why media loves Adam and why people don't even remember the guy who won AI season 8 . Trespassing seems to be a song, that will stand out, and Cuckoo, too, the UK guys, who have heard it, cannot forget it and cannot stop talking about it. That's what Adam needs and if there are songs like that on the album, why should they release NCOE even with a more current production. NCOE does not stand out for me. That decision would be a safe one again. RCA should take risk, because everything else would not be true to Adam. In a perfect world RCA would choose the song, that is true to Adam as an artist. Adam takes risks. And Trespassing and Cuckoo seem to be great pop songs, that also fulfill that. I don't know why I have so hard feelings about this topic :-/ That is all. |
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