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Post by tigerlily on Apr 1, 2012 0:18:15 GMT -5
When a group of us were discussing/debating the merits of BTIKM on Twitter w that Buffalo PD, she let a couple comments slip that we're very telling. She was trying to explain why they were underwhelmed bt BTIKM and she said, "We were expecting magical things from Adam." This, in addition to the comments TK said to fans last fall (not knowing they were fans) about the buzz on Adam's album indicated it was good. VERY GOOD. And the PDs were expecting to be blown away. Then RCA balked and went with the "safe" first single and from what Buffalo PD said, they were expecting so much more. I think it suffered from it not living up to THEIR (unfair) expectations. THIS is why I think that NCOE as again the "safer" choice, that is not Adam's song, (though yes, he will make it his own), w Dr. Luke production, etc. runs more of a risk of becoming BTIKM2. "Safe" just doesn't work well for Adam and I think the PDs were reacting to that and "punished" BTIKM in the process. This is why I think "Cuckoo" is the better choice. I love the song NCOE, it's fun, beautiful and catchy, but rather bland thematically. Whereas "Cuckoo" has sass, humor and attitude and is uniquely Adam. From what she said (and she said repeatedly she was a fan of his), they want to be blown away. So to really do that, the "safe" choice could prove very difficult, IMO. IMO, NCOE is a hundred times better for CHR play than BTIKM. All four of these songs are a hundred times better than BTIKM! If WWFM wasn't too safe, why would NCOE be too safe? This really isn't about a safe song. It is about having an uptempo song with several catchy hooks scattered throughout the song. That is something that BTIKM never had. BTIKM is not the pop single WWFM was and all four of these single choices are a better fit for CHR than the first single. IMO, BTIKM was the riskiest song of all with its slow tempo, high parts, and the fact that it lacked truly great hooks. I also feel that the four songs up for the next single are much safer bets than BTIKM ever was. I'm good with any of the four!  |
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Post by whatfun on Apr 1, 2012 0:21:37 GMT -5
When a group of us were discussing/debating the merits of BTIKM on Twitter w that Buffalo PD, she let a couple comments slip that we're very telling. She was trying to explain why they were underwhelmed bt BTIKM and she said, "We were expecting magical things from Adam." This, in addition to the comments TK said to fans last fall (not knowing they were fans) about the buzz on Adam's album indicated it was good. VERY GOOD. And the PDs were expecting to be blown away. Then RCA balked and went with the "safe" first single and from what Buffalo PD said, they were expecting so much more. I think it suffered from it not living up to THEIR (unfair) expectations. THIS is why I think that NCOE as again the "safer" choice, that is not Adam's song, (though yes, he will make it his own), w Dr. Luke production, etc. runs more of a risk of becoming BTIKM2. "Safe" just doesn't work well for Adam and I think the PDs were reacting to that and "punished" BTIKM in the process. This is why I think "Cuckoo" is the better choice. I love the song NCOE, it's fun, beautiful and catchy, but rather bland thematically. Whereas "Cuckoo" has sass, humor and attitude and is uniquely Adam. From what she said (and she said repeatedly she was a fan of his), they want to be blown away. So to really do that, the "safe" choice could prove very difficult, IMO. Didn't that Buffalo PD turn out to be a hardcore Archie stan? I'm not sure that I would take her at her word or blatant Kris worshipper Toby either, frankly. It tweaks my bullshit meter that the PDs/DJs giving these "opinions" and setting the bar so ridiculously high for Adam are some of the few that are personally invested in other Idols themselves. Most radio personnel aren't. It reminds me so strongly of the constant Idol bubble argument when Adam achieves something that it's not enough, that because of "all his hype" he should have achieved more. It always seems like sour grapes to me. |
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Post by whatfun on Apr 1, 2012 0:30:22 GMT -5
IMO, BTIKM was the riskiest song of all with its slow tempo, high parts, and the fact that it lacked truly great hooks That's an interesting thought, I think most fans assume that in addition to the reasons Adam has told us about choosing BTIKM (for its focus on vocals, something with emotion, something that stylistically bridges the two era) that RCA considered it safe. But that is just an assumption, mostly from what we know about RCA usually playing it safe (although they didn't with FYE) and I think a UK blogger who referred to it that way. But maybe for the reasons you listed RCA considered it a risk themselves, but something they thought necessary with their full rollout strategy whatever that is. I have no idea, but it's thought provoking. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Apr 1, 2012 0:30:46 GMT -5
When a group of us were discussing/debating the merits of BTIKM on Twitter w that Buffalo PD, she let a couple comments slip that we're very telling. She was trying to explain why they were underwhelmed bt BTIKM and she said, "We were expecting magical things from Adam." This, in addition to the comments TK said to fans last fall (not knowing they were fans) about the buzz on Adam's album indicated it was good. VERY GOOD. And the PDs were expecting to be blown away. Then RCA balked and went with the "safe" first single and from what Buffalo PD said, they were expecting so much more. I think it suffered from it not living up to THEIR (unfair) expectations. THIS is why I think that NCOE as again the "safer" choice, that is not Adam's song, (though yes, he will make it his own), w Dr. Luke production, etc. runs more of a risk of becoming BTIKM2. "Safe" just doesn't work well for Adam and I think the PDs were reacting to that and "punished" BTIKM in the process. This is why I think "Cuckoo" is the better choice. I love the song NCOE, it's fun, beautiful and catchy, but rather bland thematically. Whereas "Cuckoo" has sass, humor and attitude and is uniquely Adam. From what she said (and she said repeatedly she was a fan of his), they want to be blown away. So to really do that, the "safe" choice could prove very difficult, IMO. IMO, NCOE is a hundred times better for CHR play than BTIKM. All four of these songs are a hundred times better than BTIKM! If WWFM wasn't too safe, why would NCOE be too safe? This really isn't about a safe song. It is about having an uptempo song with several catchy hooks scattered throughout the song. That is something that BTIKM never had. BTIKM is not the pop single WWFM was and all four of these single choices are a better fit for CHR than the first single. IMO, BTIKM was the riskiest song of all with its slow tempo, high parts, and the fact that it lacked truly great hooks. I also feel that the four songs up for the next single are much safer bets than BTIKM ever was. I'm good with any of the four! But WWFM was an extremely safe choice. And it worked. However, the theory didn't work a second time - w BTIKM. When you line up WWFM, BTIKM and NCOE, you will get three "safe" choices. None written by Adam, so he gets further from establishing his own sound. He will have had five singles (seven if you count Fever and Sleepwalker) and none were written by him - and he is a very good songwriter. I think it's time for them to let him fly under his own merits. |
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Post by houselady on Apr 1, 2012 0:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by SusieFierce on Apr 1, 2012 0:42:36 GMT -5
When a group of us were discussing/debating the merits of BTIKM on Twitter w that Buffalo PD, she let a couple comments slip that we're very telling. She was trying to explain why they were underwhelmed bt BTIKM and she said, "We were expecting magical things from Adam." This, in addition to the comments TK said to fans last fall (not knowing they were fans) about the buzz on Adam's album indicated it was good. VERY GOOD. And the PDs were expecting to be blown away. Then RCA balked and went with the "safe" first single and from what Buffalo PD said, they were expecting so much more. I think it suffered from it not living up to THEIR (unfair) expectations. THIS is why I think that NCOE as again the "safer" choice, that is not Adam's song, (though yes, he will make it his own), w Dr. Luke production, etc. runs more of a risk of becoming BTIKM2. "Safe" just doesn't work well for Adam and I think the PDs were reacting to that and "punished" BTIKM in the process. This is why I think "Cuckoo" is the better choice. I love the song NCOE, it's fun, beautiful and catchy, but rather bland thematically. Whereas "Cuckoo" has sass, humor and attitude and is uniquely Adam. From what she said (and she said repeatedly she was a fan of his), they want to be blown away. So to really do that, the "safe" choice could prove very difficult, IMO. Didn't that Buffalo PD turn out to be a hardcore Archie stan? I'm not sure that I would take her at her word or blatant Kris worshipper Toby either, frankly. It tweaks my bullshit meter that the PDs/DJs giving these "opinions" and setting the bar so ridiculously high for Adam are some of the few that are personally invested in other Idols themselves. Most radio personnel aren't. It reminds me so strongly of the constant Idol bubble argument when Adam achieves something that it's not enough, that because of "all his hype" he should have achieved more. It always seems like sour grapes to me. Whether she likes Archie or not is irrelevant, IMO. A lot of people like different artists for different reasons. And still, being a PD is her job. Its not like she's spinning Archie every day. I have followed her since that day and she's never tweeted anything about Archie ever. I felt that comment particularly telling because it didn't come out until the discussion got very heated. I don't think she really meant to divulge that. And yes, it is indicative of the unfair bar that has been set so high for him. I have no use for TK either, but when he told Merry that info last October, he had absolutely no clue they were Adam fans, so what would he have to gain by telling them that? |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 1, 2012 0:45:43 GMT -5
IMO, NCOE is a hundred times better for CHR play than BTIKM. All four of these songs are a hundred times better than BTIKM! If WWFM wasn't too safe, why would NCOE be too safe? This really isn't about a safe song. It is about having an uptempo song with several catchy hooks scattered throughout the song. That is something that BTIKM never had. BTIKM is not the pop single WWFM was and all four of these single choices are a better fit for CHR than the first single. IMO, BTIKM was the riskiest song of all with its slow tempo, high parts, and the fact that it lacked truly great hooks. I also feel that the four songs up for the next single are much safer bets than BTIKM ever was. I'm good with any of the four! But WWFM was an extremely safe choice. And it worked. However, the theory didn't work a second time - w BTIKM. When you line up WWFM, BTIKM and NCOE, you will get three "safe" choices. None written by Adam, so he gets further from establishing his own sound. He will have had five singles (seven if you count Fever and Sleepwalker) and none were written by him - and he is a very good songwriter. I think it's time for them to let him fly under his own merits. I think it is time for a hit song!!! On TK...is he a PD or just a DJ? IMO, he isn't really the best judge of what song is an instant hit! TK is still raving about that boring new single by NAL. If that single moved any slower, it would fall off the planet! I don't trust Toby or his biased opinions. |
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Post by whatfun on Apr 1, 2012 1:33:00 GMT -5
Didn't that Buffalo PD turn out to be a hardcore Archie stan? I'm not sure that I would take her at her word or blatant Kris worshipper Toby either, frankly. It tweaks my bullshit meter that the PDs/DJs giving these "opinions" and setting the bar so ridiculously high for Adam are some of the few that are personally invested in other Idols themselves. Most radio personnel aren't. It reminds me so strongly of the constant Idol bubble argument when Adam achieves something that it's not enough, that because of "all his hype" he should have achieved more. It always seems like sour grapes to me. Whether she likes Archie or not is irrelevant, IMO. A lot of people like different artists for different reasons. And still, being a PD is her job. Its not like she's spinning Archie every day. I have followed her since that day and she's never tweeted anything about Archie ever. I felt that comment particularly telling because it didn't come out until the discussion got very heated. I don't think she really meant to divulge that. And yes, it is indicative of the unfair bar that has been set so high for him. I have no use for TK either, but when he told Merry that info last October, he had absolutely no clue they were Adam fans, so what would he have to gain by telling them that? I thought peeps had actually found some OTT glowing stuff she'd written about Archie not recently but back nearer to his season. And some religious stuff too. When someone crosses that line from finding an Idol contestant interesting or entertaining to actually writing stuff praising him, odds are good they've entered the Idol bubble with all of its post-show "competition" between alums. Heck, the same thing goes for some of the pro-Adam peeps in radio, just wish there were more of em and that they were in positions with more power LOL. And sure Merry and Drowsy didn't come out and say they were Adam fans, but cmon you know they prolly perked up when he first mentioned Adam giving him an inkling who he was talking to. And he's just so manipulative. Srsly his behavior since BTIKM launched has been some of the most passive aggressive shit stirring fanbase baiting and completely unprofessional bullshit I've ever witnessed. I don't trust him an inch, he has had an agenda ever since that post-win interview with Kris where he was a complete douche about Adam. |
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Post by Catzmadam on Apr 1, 2012 2:25:51 GMT -5
Loved, loved, loved the wonderful, wonderful Finnish interview \o/. 22 minutes of Adam saying words = UNF!!!!!
Oh and he ~sangs too! 8-)
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Post by QueeenAl on Apr 1, 2012 3:36:44 GMT -5
Loved, loved, loved the wonderful, wonderful Finnish interview \o/. 22 minutes of Adam saying words = UNF!!!!! Oh and he ~sangs too! 8-) ^^^^ seconded!!! |
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