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Post by SusieFierce on Apr 10, 2012 9:30:28 GMT -5
CLARIFICATION: I NEVER mentioned anything about a political statement. That is not what I meant at all. "People's defenses" can be anything. It can be resistance to pop music, male pop stars, guys who wear excessive jewelry (me, guilty – that is something I would have eye-rolled and dismissed him at on my first viewing had he not totally blown me away with his performance – yes, totally prejudicial on my part, but it used to be soooo not my taste, but I got the hell over it in a blink of an eye after I saw him perform ONCE).
Other arbitrary (but no less real) reasons people will dismiss: makeup, American Idol association, OTT fashion, just general fabulousness that people are not used to. Look how many WGWGs have won Idol? People gravitate to safe, but aren't excited or dazzled by it. ALL of these are reasons people resist that have nothing to do with his sexuality, which is yet another reason for them to resist.
People often don't even realize they're doing it. They decide they don't like him "for some reason." How often do we see "I don't really like Adam Lambert, but his new song is really good." Well, really, if anyone has paid any attention, there is really very little not to like. But they have made this decision that they don't like him based on an immediate assessment they are not aware of.
I totally know I would not have likely gravitated to him as an artist based on initial presentation. It wasn't until he blew my mind with his performance did I snap out of my usual "Meh..." feeling about music in general (at the time) pay attention.
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Post by lynneville on Apr 10, 2012 9:32:27 GMT -5
Does anyone ever release two singles at the same time to two different station formats?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 9:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 9:33:51 GMT -5
I am totally with you, aralid and Susie! And I'm with all of you. Getting a little hammered on twitter for not embracing the (supposedly) appointed single but I don't do Group Speak. ^^^^^^ I'm with you ladies. ^^^^^^ I understand the reasoning behind NCOE, if that is the choice. Obviously if it is the choice I hope RCA is right and it is a huge hit. I sincerely hope we are not going to spend the day setting up and knocking down straw men by hammering anyone who favors one of the other tunes with the old "I want Adam to be successful" meme. I'm sorry, but -- duh. That is what we all want. There are different values being expressed here about success, how to get there, and what it looks like. Remember the wolf in sheep's clothing? That is the argument behind NCOE. Heathcliff said a great thing last night and that is that Adam appeals to people who are secure with their shit. He said men, actually, but I also believe it applies to women also. I personally do not believe people who are insecure will be fooled by Adam in sheep's clothing. I believe they will still be afraid. Consequences? Unknown at this point. Hopefully whatever song they choose will kick ass so hard that it will somehow reach enough "secure with their shit" people to expand Adam's fan base the way we all want, and sell tons of albums and a tour. That is what we all want. This entire discussion reminds me of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail when they build the Trojan Rabbit and roll it up to the French fort. Atop discussion begins at 1:55.  P.S. Loved your post sugaree! Wish I knew the answer. |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 10, 2012 9:34:00 GMT -5
IMO, NCOE may be a great "radio ready" single but it will not sell the album. It won't sound like the rest of the album. It's not "Crazy shit" Adam. I listened to KIIS LA for a straight 75 minutes while driving last night and there is NO common thread with what they are playing. ZERO! NADA! But, most of the songs were very unique! There were at least 4 that did not sound Pop friendly or KIIS friendly and they were from new artists, getting played! Will people who like NCOE even like Trespasing or Cuckoo or Shady? That's why what Susie wrote last night is like a GOLDEN post for me. We talk about "branding" all the time. Trespassing, Cuckoo, Chokehold, are all Adam's brand. NCOE is not. I am resigned to NCOE being the next single, but no matter how many it sells or how high it charts, I will never be happy that RCA did not choose songs that were Adam's mission statement for this album And people can talk about WWFM until they turn blue. What Adam needed in 2009 and what Adam needs now could not be more different. A Pop hit, especially a mega hit, almost always helps an album. A series of mega hits will keep an album selling for a long period of time and will help with recouping expenses. If Adam doesn't have at least one hit on CHR this era, we will be looking at an entirely different situation for the tour to support the album. We will also be looking at an entirely different situation for the next era. There will be less buzz, less promo opportunities, and fewer magazines and TV shows that are interested in featuring Adam. The writers and producers that Adam worked with this era will not be available to him for era three. No one cares about a "mission statement", but hardcore stans! It's a Pop album and this is Pop music. It's music to enjoy and dance to. Cuckoo is a silly dance song, NCOE is a dance song. Dr. Luke produced many of these songs and Pop writers are the first names listed on most of these songs. They are fun, Pop songs. NCOE fits as much as Cuckoo or any other song on this album. |
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Post by lifetraveler on Apr 10, 2012 9:39:26 GMT -5
To me it goes down to a matter of trust. Do I trust RCA to make this decision or not? Well, I don't trust RCA much to be honest, but I still trust them more than I trust myself to know what a good single is. I don't have the data RCA has, the experience working with radio, or the inside information from PDs. It's easy to be a sideline judge, but this is not my profession. I would be pissed if someone without any education or experience in organizational psychology (my profession) started giving me advice how to handle one of my clients. In fact, it has happened and I was beyond pissed. It doesn't mean RCA always makes the *right* decisions. This is a very hard decision to make. But I still trust them to have more information and experience than I do about these things. (and they definitely have Adam's best interests at heart, too, to recoup their investment) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 9:40:45 GMT -5
IMO, NCOE may be a great "radio ready" single but it will not sell the album. It won't sound like the rest of the album. It's not "Crazy shit" Adam. I listened to KIIS LA for a straight 75 minutes while driving last night and there is NO common thread with what they are playing. ZERO! NADA! But, most of the songs were very unique! There were at least 4 that did not sound Pop friendly or KIIS friendly and they were from new artists, getting played! Will people who like NCOE even like Trespasing or Cuckoo or Shady? That's why what Susie wrote last night is like a GOLDEN post for me. We talk about "branding" all the time. Trespassing, Cuckoo, Chokehold, are all Adam's brand. NCOE is not. I am resigned to NCOE being the next single, but no matter how many it sells or how high it charts, I will never be happy that RCA did not choose songs that were Adam's mission statement for this album And people can talk about WWFM until they turn blue. What Adam needed in 2009 and what Adam needs now could not be more different. A Pop hit, especially a mega hit, almost always helps an album. A series of mega hits will keep an album selling for a long period of time and will help with recouping expenses. If Adam doesn't have at least one hit on CHR this era, we will be looking at an entirely different situation for the tour to support the album. We will also be looking at an entirely different situation for the next era. There will be less buzz, less promo opportunities, and fewer magazines and TV shows that are interested in featuring Adam. The writers and producers that Adam worked with this era will not be available to him for era three. No one cares about a "mission statement", but hardcore stans! It's a Pop album and this is Pop music. It's music to enjoy and dance to. Cuckoo is a silly dance song, NCOE is a dance song. Dr. Luke produced many of these songs and Pop writers are the first names listed on most of these songs. They are fun, Pop songs. NCOE fits as much as Cuckoo or any other song on this album. I just don't agree that Cuckoo or Trespassing will not hit Pop hard! RCA chose wrong once, I am just not impressed. If Adam's singles are going to fail, I'd like it to be on him, not on the suits picking the wrong single (BTIKM.) Maybe that sounds harsh and maybe it reveals more about my personality than Adam's or RCA's. But if it's my name, I would want it to be my choice. RCA doesn't get the criticism for the tepid reception to BTIKM. Adam does. |
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Post by lifetraveler on Apr 10, 2012 9:42:36 GMT -5
And I gotta go work now too, but I agree with Q3 that whatever single they choose, RCA should get off their butts and announce it/send it to radio soon.
To me, that is FAR more important and consequential than what single it is (since all four can be good options in my unqualified opinion).
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Post by bullsfan on Apr 10, 2012 9:44:35 GMT -5
I get that Daughtry's music is no longer "in," but I have even noticed a shift on my HAC (WTMX) which used to play him all the time. Kelly is the only former Idol who is getting any real attention from this station right now. And that is definitely something that has changed in the past year and a half. I just feel like (in Chicago anyway) being a person off AI is a huge roadblock. There are different rules for these people---you have to have just the right song and a ton of label push. Luckily, I think Adam will have both.
Regarding trusting RCA, that is a tricky thing. But, Adam has just come off a 18 city radio tour. If the label doesn't have a pretty good indication of which song will work best ( at this point in time) then they never will.
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Post by SusieFierce on Apr 10, 2012 9:45:23 GMT -5
I agree frecklesexual, but only Kelly, of late, appears to be "cool" with radio. Daughtry is getting no love this era at all. If you aren't Kelly (or Carrie) radio just doesn't really want you. I agree that Adam can break that barrier with the right song. But it is going to have to be just the right song. This doesn't mean it is necessarily his best song, or most interesting song. But he iis going to have to play along with the radio game. I do think NCOE can be that song. And, after all the time Adam and his people have spent with radio over the past month they should know just what will work and what radio will play. All I can say is I REALLY hope so. The thing that I am most resistant about NCOE about is that I dread that PDs – after whatever they said while he was touring – will balk and turnaround and not play the song and make up some BS reason why. (I don't worry too much about the markets where he will be doing radio concerts, because they'll have their own reasons for spinning it.) If I could get a blood oath from the King Lord God Grand PooBah of the PDs swearing on his children's life they will spin a song that totally deserves play (which has never been requisite from my years of radio listening ...), I will be totally down with NCOE. I think, like mys*&@^#r said, the more unique sounding songs have more of a chance of authentically catching fire than the one that was created in an effort to target radio. And the reason it doesn't sound like Adam to me, is it's not about anything. ALL his songs, even from way, way back have always had a theme, a message, an attitude. NCOE is a fun, very catchy song that he can sing the hell out of, but it's not about anything really. |
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