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Post by noreaster on Apr 10, 2012 9:59:12 GMT -5
I don't see it as a political stance, more just taking a stand against trying to be fit into a kinder, gentler WWFM Light Adam box where he isn't being fierce. I love fierce Adam, but YMMV.
Do I remember correctly that NCOE wasn't part of any of the radio promo visits? Wouldn't that be somewhat counterproductive, to go station to station tacitly asking for their feedback on the next single and then come out with a different song completely?
Frankly, as a more casual stan (oxymoron?) the radio promo was all a blur, so maybe the same could be said about Trespassing and Cuckoo?
I'm confused as to why they would do that promo tour with mostly old music (WWFM and BTIKM). All I can think is that the Queen is On, Queen is Off, Queen is on again thing has hosed their planning?
Where's Seoulmate, I need the perfect gif for total befuddlement and I'm sure you have one!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 10:00:15 GMT -5
CLARIFICATION: I NEVER mentioned anything about a political statement. That is not what I meant at all. "People's defenses" can be anything. It can be resistance to pop music, male pop stars, guys who wear excessive jewelry (me, guilty – that is something I would have eye-rolled and dismissed him at on my first viewing had he not totally blown me away with his performance – yes, totally prejudicial on my part, but it used to be soooo not my taste, but I got the hell over it in a blink of an eye after I saw him perform ONCE). Other arbitrary (but no less real) reasons people will dismiss: makeup, American Idol association, OTT fashion, just general fabulousness that people are not used to. Look how many WGWGs have won Idol? People gravitate to safe, but aren't excited or dazzled by it. ALL of these are reasons people resist that have nothing to do with his sexuality, which is yet another reason for them to resist. People often don't even realize they're doing it. They decide they don't like him "for some reason." How often do we see "I don't really like Adam Lambert, but his new song is really good." Well, really, if anyone has paid any attention, there is really very little not to like. But they have made this decision that they don't like him based on an immediate assessment they are not aware of. I totally know I would not have likely gravitated to him as an artist based on initial presentation. It wasn't until he blew my mind with his performance did I snap out of my usual "Meh..." feeling about music in general (at the time) pay attention. Yes, the "eyes rolling up to the top of the head" syndrome. I get that more times then not when I bring up Adam's name. So, in order not to sound too prejudice, the eye-rollers say they don't like his "style" -- wailing -- cuz, heaven forbid, it might be for visual and/or other sub-conscience reasons. Adam has a lot to overcome to be hugely accepted -- like it or not :( |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 10, 2012 10:02:19 GMT -5
I get that Daughtry's music is no longer "in," but I have even noticed a shift on my HAC (WTMX) which used to play him all the time. Kelly is the only former Idol who is getting any real attention from this station right now. And that is definitely something that has changed in the past year and a half. I just feel like (in Chicago anyway) being a person off AI is a huge roadblock. There are different rules for these people---you have to have just the right song and a ton of label push. Luckily, I think Adam will have both. Regarding trusting RCA, that is a tricky thing. But, Adam has just come off a 18 city radio tour. If the label doesn't have a pretty good indication of which song will work best ( at this point in time) then they never will. True! It's all guesswork! I know that RCA has way more information from PDs than any fan, including myself, has!  I agree that even HAC is changing. It has become more like Pop radio over the past few years. However, Daughtry did manage to go to #2 or #3 on the HAC chart with his first single off of his current album. HAC radio still respects him and sees him as an artist that deserves support on their stations. Daughtry's last song is moving faster than BTIKM did, and it is NOT a pop song in any way. I'm surprised at how fast it is moving, because it has such a rock sound! |
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Post by SusieFierce on Apr 10, 2012 10:04:10 GMT -5
tigerlily wrote: my bolding^^^ I so agree with this post. I know there is the thought that Adam must release an in-your-face challenging political stance song to be successful and be played. I just disagree for the reasons mentioned above. Add the fact that Adam was soooo excited that NCOE was being added to the album. We don't know which song is Adam's choice for the next single. We can't justifiably project our feelings onto Adam and make them his feelings. That's not fair to him. 8-) Again, this debate has been taken off track with a red herring "political" interpretation thrown in that was never originally implied. "Cuckoo" is not a political song. "Trespassing" could be interpreted as such because it has broad, compelling lyrics, but it doesn't need to be – it's message can apply to anyone trying to break through with anything. Both are insanely catchy and both have a unique attitude and sound that are powerfully Adam. They have visual language and paint a strong picture and present his brand. NCOE does not, IMO. NCOE is a catchy, (but IMHO thematically bland song). Of course it could totally catch on. God knows "We Found Love" is the same lyric over and over – it does happen. But so many of the major hits right now tell a story, "We Are Young," "Somebody That I Used to Know," all of Adele's songs ... and many of them have caught fire and are from new artists. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 10:05:21 GMT -5
I just don't agree that Cuckoo or Trespassing will not hit Pop hard! RCA chose wrong once, I am just not impressed. If Adam's singles are going to fail, I'd like it to be on him, not on the suits picking the wrong single (BTIKM.) Maybe that sounds harsh and maybe it reveals more about my personality than Adam's or RCA's. But if it's my name, I would want it to be my choice. RCA doesn't get the criticism for the tepid reception to BTIKM. Adam does. RCA also chose right once! How do we know that NCOE is a BTIKM, but not a WWFM. We don't. This just isn't the way it works. Artists don't get to choose what singles to release to radio and stans certainly don't! Why are we talking about a song failing? The next single hasn't even been announced and we already are saying it is going to fail?!  you notice it is a hypothetical. If something with my name on it fails, I would like it to be my choice. That's why I also said it probably reveals more about my personality. Isn't everyone who is talking about NCOE being "radio friendly" saying that they think the others are not? I know artists don't choose their own singles, usually, but I would think RCA might think twice after choosing BTIKM and seeing it go no where. I just do not think that playing it safe is the way Pop is currently going. I agree with Susie, that playing it safe, musically with Adam is not the way to go either. Sorry, I disagree. As a matter of fact, even Adam said it didn't "fit." My comments are making it sound like I don't like NCOE. I do like it. I agree, it is radio friendly. I am just on the "crazy train" that's all. ;D |
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Post by lambo on Apr 10, 2012 10:06:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I disagree. As a matter of fact, even Adam said it didn't "fit." He did?! ??? |
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Post by shadow on Apr 10, 2012 10:07:07 GMT -5
Adamrocks, sent you a pm
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Post by lifetraveler on Apr 10, 2012 10:07:59 GMT -5
I know it was/is my fantasy that Adam would be that next "wow, some totally different" artist that would shake or stir things up. NCOE is not a Poker Face moment, if WWFM was Let's Dance. I understand where you're coming from, that's my fantasy too. Fact is though, Adam is not going to be a big mainstream pop artist AT ALL without radio support, let alone that next "wow, totally different" artist which we all think he should be. If radio wants to play NCOE, let them play that. For me it's a thousand times better than not playing any of his songs at all. |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 10, 2012 10:09:52 GMT -5
So scripts for shows are not previewed with the artists or their management prior to airing? I don't want to be hung up on the wording used by NNN to promote TP, but they could have said song from upcoming album or just new song, but "debuting new single" seems rather specific to me. And I find it interesting that Adam continued to focus on the song AFTER the performance. No, they probably aren't. I wouldn't get my hopes up over something that was sais on some TV show. From what I understand, Ellen introduced Strut as "Adam's next single". That didn't happen. Ellen is a much bigger deal than a awards show that most people have never even heard of! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 10:12:58 GMT -5
Sorry, I disagree. As a matter of fact, even Adam said it didn't "fit." He did?! ??? Yes, when he did his interviews in LA, right before the EU promo. It was before the release date of the album was changed. Several asked him about the Bruno collab. He consistently said he did not know if it was going to be on the album because it didn't fit. I don't think he was talking about the amount of minutes! ;D |
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